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F-5s Need CRC now?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
ThingsComeAround wrote:
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This "protect the children" spiel is BS. When Korean teachers rape students and aren't punished, I don't see the reason why Johnnie English has to fly to his home country yearly if he hasn't done anything wrong.


I posted two links in another thread which showed that three Korean teachers were fired. Two for sexually harrassing a student and one for having sex with a middle school student.

So you have any links that prove that teachers who did what you claim were NOT punished?

Or was this something you just heard on Dave's?


I saw those links after I posted here.
Your response to my comment barely connects to the F-5 OP.
I have links that suggest that most locals do not punish sexual predators
Yes, I have read it here on Dave's.

Dogani
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2070649/plotsummary

and here
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/117_53165.html

Ordinarily, I would laugh your reprehensible defense of Korea off but today I'm disappointed. This country is good, however the criminal justice system is lacking. My comment was to highlight the fact that the MOJ may require permanent residents to return to their country of birth yearly instead of asking for a local CRC (someone correct me if I am wrong?)

Aah- you may like this.
Turns out the abuse was legal:
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20101018000612

Sorry for derailing this thread. Confused
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
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Ordinarily, I would laugh your reprehensible defense of Korea off but today I'm disappointed. This country is good, however the criminal justice system is lacking. My comment was to highlight the fact that the MOJ may require permanent residents to return to their country of birth yearly instead of asking for a local CRC (someone correct me if I am wrong?)

Aah- you may like this.
Turns out the abuse was legal:
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20101018000612

Sorry for derailing this thread. Confused


How is asking for proof of your statements a reprehensible defense of Korea?

I just posted TWO links which showed a number of Korean educators getting fired and fined and three teachers getting punished for inappropriate contacts with students...and THAT'S a defense of Korea?

Hello?

You on the other hand post a link to a movie and something which turns out to be legal.
(until recently 14 was the legal age in Canada...now it's 16 just for comparison purposes.)

You did post one good link but you neglected to add the fact that most teachers were let off lightly because they were able to negotiate a settlement with the family. If the justice system provides for that and the plaintiffs settle for that...? Also you claim "rape" but we see that only five of these were rape. It doesn't make it right but it's not a common epidemic like you were trying to make it sound...now THAT'S reprehensible.
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oldtrafford



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urban, you're never wrong fella!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRCs are not wrong or otherwise infringement upon anyone's rights, resident or visitor. Being so against it really can't help but make you look bad, not the request. Working with kids, it is reasonable.

I think you neglected to read the pat where I said that the checks should be across the board. If not, then yes, there is something amiss. Otherwise, it's about time Korea started doing this.

I am being very real. You are the one in a fantasy of denial/disgust/disbelief/(fear?)...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:
Urban, you're never wrong fella!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked



Why thank you for saying so sir. I wouldn't go so far myself...but I would say I am more often right than wrong. Wink Wink Wink Wink
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jeronimoski



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:00 am    Post subject: df Reply with quote

Again, some lifer on daves esl has again hijacked this thread.

There has been rumors of F-2 and F-5 people having to jump through the hoops, but I still haven't seen anywhere where this has been verified. Calls to the MOE were directed to individual Education offices for each gu because they have their own rules. Calls to some of these places produced varied and vague answers. So as of now, there is nothing set down. Maybe if Urban Myth tells me that there's gold at the end of the rainbow, I might be inclined to believe him.

I wonder how many long-term people are going to be unable to teach because they don't have spotless records. I guess it depends on what the MOE thinks is criminal, but who knows.
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litebear



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally when looking at the hard facts I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against introducing this. What I think would be the big problem is if they ask for a new home country check every year even if you haven't been home.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: df Reply with quote

jeronimoski wrote:
Again, some lifer on daves esl has again hijacked this thread.

There has been rumors of F-2 and F-5 people having to jump through the hoops, but I still haven't seen anywhere where this has been verified. Calls to the MOE were directed to individual Education offices for each gu because they have their own rules. Calls to some of these places produced varied and vague answers. So as of now, there is nothing set down. Maybe if Urban Myth tells me that there's gold at the end of the rainbow, I might be inclined to believe him.

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What ARE you on about? Do you actually have a question or did you activate this dormant thread to launch a personal attack.?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

litebear wrote:
Personally when looking at the hard facts I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against introducing this. What I think would be the big problem is if they ask for a new home country check every year even if you haven't been home.



Agreed. If you stay here a Korean police check should be all that is needed. Again the problem seems to be that Immigration is under the impression that nearly everyone goes home after the end of their contract. I can't imagine it would be that hard to find out who's gone home and who's stayed here.
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jeronimoski



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: dd Reply with quote

Since you seemed to have missed what I was saying, I will make it much clearer for you.

I called the MOE and they didn't know exactly what was going on. They told me that it depends on what gu someone lives in. So, I called a bunch of education offices from different districts and got different answers. No one seems to know exacdtly what is going on yet, so this obviously is not set down yet.

This is a current event, so I can post here if I want to. You have a problem with that? Should be follow your judgement as to what thread is 'dormant' or not?

And yes, I was making fun of you since you seem to be rambling on about which koeran teacher got fired and which one did this and bla bla bla. I'm sure we can all pull some story out of our butt and say that it represents a valid arugment to saying this should be this way or that. But that doesn't answer the original poster's question, does it?
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litebear



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
litebear wrote:
Personally when looking at the hard facts I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against introducing this. What I think would be the big problem is if they ask for a new home country check every year even if you haven't been home.



Agreed. If you stay here a Korean police check should be all that is needed. Again the problem seems to be that Immigration is under the impression that nearly everyone goes home after the end of their contract. I can't imagine it would be that hard to find out who's gone home and who's stayed here.


Hopefully as this is for the MOE and not Immi they will be willing to settle for a Korean CBC check if the people haven't been home. Should be the same for E2s IMO
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody wouldn't complain about the CRC if the time of processing had been shortened in the first place.
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litebear



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
Nobody wouldn't complain about the CRC if the time of processing had been shortened in the first place.


Although it doesn't help it would still be crazy if teachers (no matter the visa) were required to get home country CRC check everytime they get a new job if they haven't been home/

Another thing that worries me about all this F5/F2 furore is that some people have said that a CRC check might be required every time people change jobs. I thought that even for E2 Visa holder this was no longer needed as long as the visa was getting transfered? (I know that is an immi thing). Does that mean the MOE will require all visa holders to supply a new set of docs for every job even the visa stays the same? More questions than answers at the moment so hopefully we get some clarity soon!
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, everyone needs to calm down and realize that EVERY time Korea comes up with some new law... and I mean EVERY time, it lacks any sort of pre-planning. Some letter comes down demanding that everyone do something (like get a CRC) by a certain date. Then the schools sit on their ass and don't actually read the letter, or notice it, until 1 week before classes. Then they call the local education offices, immigration, or whomever, all at once to raise hell. It's not long before the government gives everyone a 6-month grace period and better-defines the law.

So calm down. This is just how Korean gov't works. It's inefficient. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. But that's the way it goes. Seen this kind of thing happen for years.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is about F-5 visa holders. They hold permanent residency that never expires. But they are still being treated as foreigners. That might make E-2 holders happy but imagine this:

A Korean moves to the U.S. or U.K. and gets permanent residency. But every year he's required a background check from Korea to work there.

That's ridiculous. At some point he shouldn't be treated by laws as a foreigner. And that point should be the permanent residency. He should only be required a Korean police check (like Korean teachers), and immigration already checked his home country police check to issue the F-5.

And it's not like there are a lot of jobs for foreigners besides education.
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