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EXTREMIST Muslim group burns poppies on Armistice day
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The Floating World



Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:57 am    Post subject: EXTREMIST Muslim group burns poppies on Armistice day Reply with quote

Muslims in UK demonstrating AGAINST poppy day.

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/muslims-against-crusades-banned

Them and the damned horse they rode in on imo.

Some people just don't know how to make friends do they? Want to live amongst us and put down everything we stand for.

Gah, not allowed to swear on dave's...
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what they'd say if offered a free trip "home".
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comm



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to think that fee speech includes the right to openly hate that which everyone is supposed to love or cherish. But then, you Brits can do as you like.

Though I don't really see the point. The individuals involved will not have their opinions changed by the guns of the State, and will only resent being muzzled.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But at what point do you just say "Hey, I hate this country, and I'd like to leave it"?

I mean, could not many of them go to places they'd like more?

If someone in the 50's US was talking about how much they'd love Communism, I'd talk rationally to them, but eventually just suggest - why not try?

If these guys want an Islamic State, why not head to one?
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
I like to think that fee speech includes the right to openly hate that which everyone is supposed to love or cherish. But then, you Brits can do as you like.

Though I don't really see the point. The individuals involved will not have their opinions changed by the guns of the State, and will only resent being muzzled.


I don't think they have free speech in Uk like they do in the US. Basically everyone in the UK has free speech until the government decides arbitrarily what's 'too far'.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly this looks bad for free speech, and secondly Brittish soldiers do have lots of Muslim blood on their hands, and I'm not just talking about recently, but through out their history.

This is not to say that I support the group, I don't know anything about them. I probably disagree with everything that they are for. I don't know anything about this poppy day so maybe I'm missing something. I think muslims have plenty of reasons to be angry with the UK, but would want to go there for economic reasons.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are limits to free speech though, you can't incite violence or say things that lead to damage. For example a group of anti-Queen Elizathians can't go out there and chant "die queen die, someone should put a bullet in her brain" as someone out there just might do it. There need to be limits to freedoms of all kind as eventually one's freedom will mean harm and death to others.

Isn't it ironic that after all the free speech talk defending cartoonist's right to freely draw the prophet Muhammad we now see the same group of people saying that burning poppies is going to far? Consistency people...
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind that the value of free speech is not necessary for people who stand up on a soap box and praise cuddly puppies and warm, sunny summer days. Protection for free speech is for voicing unpopular ideas.

There are obvious limits to free speech: "Let's go torch the convenience shop and hang the clerk from the lamp post!"

recessiontime is right: "Isn't it ironic that after all the free speech talk defending cartoonist's right to freely draw the prophet Muhammad we now see the same group of people saying that burning poppies is going to far? Consistency people..."
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is also ironic that those that oppose publishing the drawings of Muhammad want free speech for themselves to promote Islam and denounce the West. It goes both ways really.
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't for a moment think Muslims should be arrested for this statement. I do think they should be called out on for their hypocrisy and insult to a country that allowed them or their parents to immigrate. I live in the Turkish Republic and I disagree with a lot of their nationalist nonsense but I have enough respect for the local culture to not make an issue out of it and it's not just because I would be arrested for doing so.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

American posters claiming the UK has less free speach than the US is absurd to the highest degree.

Oakland what up yo!
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:23 am