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saharzie
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| If a taxi driver does not stop for a westerner, yet stops a few yards up the road for a Korean, that is racial discrimination. If a taxi driver in New York does not stop for a black guy, that is also racism. In both cases, the taxi driver is making assumptions based on race. In NY, the driver is assuming the black guy will do something bad in his taxi. Here the driver is assuming the westerner cannot speak enough Korean to get by. That defense is a cop out anyway, how much Korean do you need to state a destination. Some people maybe have been here too long and make excuses for everything. By your argument, Homer, a restaurant can refuse entry to a westerner because it is a 'convenience choice'. Where does it end. Call a spade a spade for once. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Hey whats that? Oh its a spade....what do you call that? A spade man...a spade.
There you go saharzie...hope this helps.
As for your taxi example...there are degrees as you pointed out.
I never said the fact that a taxi passes a person by is justified or good.
I said there are many reasons for this type of behavior.
Wether we like it or not, we live in the real world where people make convenience choices all the time.
A taxi passing a foreigner by because he thinks that that person does not speak Korean or that he as a Korean won't be able to communicate in English with his fare is a very, very mild case of discrimination.
There are worse things to worry about in life in my opinion.[/quote] |
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Tony Danza's Houseguest
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
Location: Osan Dong
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:27 am Post subject: |
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I am surprised at you kiwi...making such bold statements without checking your facts
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Table 2. Meat Consumption From Around the World
Country Beef Pork Poultry Mutton Total
(kg per person per year)
United States 44 31 48 1 123
Germany 16 54 15 1 86
Italy 26 35 19 2 82
Argentina 58 - 21 1 80
United Kingdom 16 25 27 6 74
Brazil 36 9 24 - 70
New Zealand 37 - - 29 66
Mexico 21 10 20 2 53
China 5 35 11 2 53
Russia 19 13 13 1 46
South Africa 17 - 24 4 44
Japan 12 17 12 1 40
Egypt 8 - 6 1 16
India 1 - 1 1 3
Indonesia - - 2 - 2 |
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Sorry, but did you check your facts, Scott? While it may be true that NZ consumes more meat than the ROK (it is true, in fact), this data set does not include South Korea. Did you expect that South Koreans consumed less than 1 kg of beef per year per capita? |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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No...I didn't...i expected to show what it does...that New Zealanders eat more meat than Koreans...which it does....doesn't it...?????
edit...okay...i see..what you are saying that it might not be the top consumers...rather just a sample of different countries...okay...that could be right....
you agree with the statement though...where did you get your information... |
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Tony Danza's Houseguest
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| All those countries have more per capita meat consumption than Canada? (And Australia?) |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:56 am Post subject: |
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The taxi thing is just an example. This time you said if a taxi driver does not pick up a foreigner because he is a foreigner then thats discrimination. Well...as a simple statement that is certainly true.
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However the reason why the driver passes by a foreigner is completely ignored by you (as usual).
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Incorrect. If there is a reason other than the fact that it's a foreigner then it's not discrimination, that's implied in the statement. If the reason is language then it's not a satisfactory reason, and constitutes discrimination. Anyone can say the name of a destination, if not they would not get in a taxi. Pleasant conversation is not a requirement for a taxi ride.
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The fact that he or she might not speak any English and therefore passes by a foreigner is not discrimination its a convenience choice on the part of a taxi driver who is free to choose his or her fares as he or she pleases.
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Incorrect, for reasons stated above.
You are a simpleton of the highest order, and sometimes I wonder if you really have the intellegence required to teach the english language. Logical reasoning is not your strong point, neither is written expression or clear thought.
Out of three quotes you got one correct, and two incorrect. I'm getting sick of marking your work all the time and seeing no improvement. If you don't show some strong improvement by the end of the semester I'm going to have you thrown out of school ... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Kiwi,
Your hopeless.
End of discussion. |
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sonofthedarkstranger
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Not stopping for someone because they are a foreigner, whatever the sub-reason may be, is a dictionary-definition perfect example of discrimination in the truest and most literal sense of the word.
When you make a decision about someone because of their race, that is discrimination. Even if there is no overt malevolence involved in the thought process.
It is discrimination just the same. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Blimey people, no-one's even saying it's not discrimination, racism or whatever you want to call it, it is! Of course it is! All the 'apologists' are saying is that there is a difference between a KKK lynching and a tired taxi driver who can't be bothered to try and decipher the thick accent of someone describing where there apartment block is when there's a much easier fare down the road.
The meat smell comment was a preconception that the translator here told me about once, Koreans have a garlic smell, westerners have a meat smell it's because we eat too many dairy products and lamb apparently  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Kiwi,
Your hopeless.
End of discussion.
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Thankyou, your non answer says everything.
PS Don't you mean "you're" hopeless? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Not stopping for someone because they are a foreigner, whatever the sub-reason may be, is a dictionary-definition perfect example of discrimination in the truest and most literal sense of the word.
When you make a decision about someone because of their race, that is discrimination. Even if there is no overt malevolence involved in the thought process.
It is discrimination just the same. |
Correct, correct, correct ...
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Blimey people, no-one's even saying it's not discrimination, racism or whatever you want to call it, it is! Of course it is! All the 'apologists' are saying is that there is a difference between a KKK lynching and a tired taxi driver who can't be bothered to try and decipher the thick accent of someone describing where there apartment block is when there's a much easier fare down the road.
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OK, but the purpose of the apologists is to minimise the offense. Descrimination is not ok, and in this day and age we should be aiming considerably higher than the KKK ... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Useless...truly useless. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Are you trying to be me Homer? You're always accusing me of making personal attacks and not addressing the issue. Oh well, imitation is a form of flattery. Glad to see I have an admirer ... |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Well I guess we might question why many Korean taxi drivers have developed prejudice against foreign fares.
A Korean passenger generally enters into a smooth friendly transaction. Not accusing anyone above, but it only takes one drunk, vague, argumentative foreigner to sour the driver's attitude toward the rest of us. Racism on the driver's part, sure, but human nature too.
So do your bit. When a driver does pick you up, be pleasant, straightforward about where you want to go, carry appropriate change, & exchange pleasantries on getting out. Might just make it easier on the next foreigner looking to flag a cab. |
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