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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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I get it. It's like salmon traveling faster through water than falcons, therefore salmon are faster!
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UknowsI
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Experiments which claims to revolutionize science as we know it are usually wrong.. |
Unless the assumptions underlying the contemporary scientific paradigm are flawed, of course.
If the current heliocentric model is flawed then that means we have been measuring the distance of stars wrongly.
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So you are saying that if our assumptions are wrong, then scientists are no longer making mistakes during their experiments? I see the logic in that...
What do you mean by heliocentric model? That scientists thinks that the sun is the centre of the universe? That model was abandoned 200 years ago...
I think I should have followed my own advice. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| UknowsI wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| UknowsI wrote: |
| Experiments which claims to revolutionize science as we know it are usually wrong.. |
Unless the assumptions underlying the contemporary scientific paradigm are flawed, of course.
If the current heliocentric model is flawed then that means we have been measuring the distance of stars wrongly.
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So you are saying that if our assumptions are wrong, then scientists are no longer making mistakes during their experiments? I see the logic in that...
What do you mean by heliocentric model? That scientists thinks that the sun is the centre of the universe? That model was abandoned 200 years ago...
I think I should have followed my own advice. |
Well, if we use the Earth as a reference point, the Sun is revolving around the Earth the same way you are moving toward a speeding bullet at 75mph. So you see, it turns out that everything in the bible is perfect and true if you look at it the right way. Science is merely discovering what was common sense in the bible ages ago. So you see, it really wouldn't surprise me if evolution by natural selection turns out to be a flawed theory in the future. It just takes one discovery to shatter a theory after all. |
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
Well, if we use the Earth as a reference point, the Sun is revolving around the Earth the same way you are moving toward a speeding bullet at 75mph. So you see, it turns out that everything in the bible is perfect and true if you look at it the right way. Science is merely discovering what was common sense in the bible ages ago. So you see, it really wouldn't surprise me if evolution by natural selection turns out to be a flawed theory in the future. It just takes one discovery to shatter a theory after all. |
Indeed. As we all know, the theory of gravity is only a theory. I can't stand how it's taught as if it was facts and how little time is given to alternative explanations. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I get it. It's like salmon traveling faster through water than falcons, therefore salmon are faster! |
Yes, salmon are faster than falcons in water, you are correct. Congratulations.
And neutrinos are faster than light rays when travelling through a vacuum. They both travelled through the same space by the way. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| UknowsI wrote: |
| So you are saying that if our assumptions are wrong, then scientists are no longer making mistakes during their experiments? |
Read closely, dear friend.
If the scientists assumptions are wrong about heliocentrism, then they are also wrong about the distance away of stars.
If they are wrong about the distance away of stars, then they are wrong about their assumtions regarding how neutrinos behave.
Let me give you the quote again:
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| In 1987, for example, a wave of neutrinos arrived at Earth as a result of a distant supernova explosion three hours before astronomers saw the light from the event. However, if neutrinos were as superluminal as the OPERA result suggests, their arrival would have been early not by three hours, but by more than three years. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/47886 |
In other words they are basing their ETA for the neutrinos on their assumptions of the supernova's distance away from us. What I'm saying is that it makes more sense that their assumption is wrong.
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| What do you mean by heliocentric model? |
You don't know what heliocentric means??? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| Well, if we use the Earth as a reference point, the Sun is revolving around the Earth the same way you are moving toward a speeding bullet at 75mph. So you see, it turns out that everything in the bible is perfect and true if you look at it the right way. Science is merely discovering what was common sense in the bible ages ago. So you see, it really wouldn't surprise me if evolution by natural selection turns out to be a flawed theory in the future. It just takes one discovery to shatter a theory after all. |
You didn't answer my question.
Neutrinos arrive on earth before light rays do, from the same source.
This means that neutrinos travel faster than light.
Do you understand and agree with the above statement? Yes or no.
Or is it too difficult for you... |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
He's also ignoring the fact that the light and neutrinos may have been travelling through different field paths, that neutrinos can travel through objects that light cannot or even that neutrinos may travel faster due to access to aspects of higher dimensions  |
Both neutrinos and light travelled through the same medium, genius.
Demonstrably, neutrinos travel faster than light through a vacuum.
The reasons for their differing speed are inconsequential to the fact. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Junior, how do you know that the neutrinos and the light were emitted by the supernova at the exact same time when no one else, not even our brightest scientists know that?
I suggest you do some reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| Well, if we use the Earth as a reference point, the Sun is revolving around the Earth the same way you are moving toward a speeding bullet at 75mph. So you see, it turns out that everything in the bible is perfect and true if you look at it the right way. Science is merely discovering what was common sense in the bible ages ago. So you see, it really wouldn't surprise me if evolution by natural selection turns out to be a flawed theory in the future. It just takes one discovery to shatter a theory after all. |
You didn't answer my question.
Neutrinos arrive on earth before light rays do, from the same source.
This means that neutrinos travel faster than light.
Do you understand and agree with the above statement? Yes or no.
Or is it too difficult for you... |
Sorry for dodging your question Junior. My mother used to smoke while I was in her tummy and I think this caused some cognitive deficits making it hard to comprehend the physics you are all talking about in this thread. I don't understand much of it but I know in my heart that God did it. I think that's all that matters really. |
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UknowsI
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior, do you believe the Sun revolves around the Earth? |
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weso1
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| Well, if we use the Earth as a reference point, the Sun is revolving around the Earth the same way you are moving toward a speeding bullet at 75mph. So you see, it turns out that everything in the bible is perfect and true if you look at it the right way. Science is merely discovering what was common sense in the bible ages ago. So you see, it really wouldn't surprise me if evolution by natural selection turns out to be a flawed theory in the future. It just takes one discovery to shatter a theory after all. |
You didn't answer my question.
Neutrinos arrive on earth before light rays do, from the same source.
This means that neutrinos travel faster than light.
Do you understand and agree with the above statement? Yes or no.
Or is it too difficult for you... |
Sorry for dodging your question Junior. My mother used to smoke while I was in her tummy and I think this caused some cognitive deficits making it hard to comprehend the physics you are all talking about in this thread. I don't understand much of it but I know in my heart that God did it. I think that's all that matters really. |
This is why people of science just can't buy into the whole religion and "faith" nonsense. That is the laziest answer ever.
Why did that apple fall on my head? God did it. - If we had simply accepted that as the correct answer, we would never learn about anything.
Maybe there is a god, maybe there isn't. But I do know we have a brain. And that brain has a natural desire to grow, learn, and become better than it was before. That desire brought us flight, modern medicine, and this box you sit in front of now reading this. If we had just done it all religions way, we'd all be sitting in a one room school house, with no heat, air, or electricity and only one book sitting in front of us.
This Thanksgiving, I'm thankful more and more people continue to shun the idea of a "god" and instead turn their energy into seeking real answers to the questions that plague us. "God did it" is an answer for children and simpletons. Not for modern, advanced, and intellectual human beings. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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| He's also ignoring the fact that the light and neutrinos may have been travelling through different field paths, that neutrinos can travel through objects that light cannot or even that neutrinos may travel faster due to access to aspects of higher dimensions |
Both neutrinos and light travelled through the same medium, genius.
Demonstrably, neutrinos travel faster than light through a vacuum.
The reasons for their differing speed are inconsequential to the fact. |
Junior, junior, junior.
Why do you only opt for the most simplistic answer?
Even in a vacuum, some physicists posit that neutrinos 'cheat somewhat' by having access to passages / blips so to speak in other dimensions for small periods of time.
So this does mean they might arrive from point a to point b more quickly (perhaps, the data has not been agreed on yet by a concensus) but they travelled differently, not neccesarilly faster.
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Underwaterbob
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I could see, he never actually said that the Sun revolves around the Earth. Most of it is only a discussion about models and reference points, which in itself is irrelevant. I could only see 14 pages of vague statements. The closest he got was:
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| you assume the Earth is at the very center of mass, |
Why is that such a terrible assumption? Earth is exceptional. It is the only planet with life. It was obviously specially created. And we have scripture that suggests it was placed, immovable, at the centre of creation.
Not only that, everyone on earth can feel that the earth does not move, and see that the sun flies around the earth.
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I have never met a person who didn't believe the earth revolves around the sun before, so I was caught off guard.
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| Indeed. As we all know, the theory of gravity is only a theory. I can't stand how it's taught as if it was facts and how little time is given to alternative explanations. |
I initially wrote this as a joke, but if he actually believe that the sun revolves around the earth, then I think the real discussion here is to find an alternative to the theory of gravity.
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