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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Even that single 40-something ESL teacher in Korea who does not have a house paid for is not a loser. He is living his life, who are we to judge? |
But you are judging people indirectly when you say stuff like this
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A friend I made while working in Busan in the early 2000s is single, and now 44. He works in Korea on an E2. He makes very good money and has a good teaching job with a University.
He owns his own house back in Canada (paid for it while working in Korea), has substantial savings, no debts and has a nice appartment in Busan in a good area.
Loser?
I think not.
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You made it quite clear with the second quote that having a good job, ahouse, an apartment and money in the bank on their own disqualifies your friend from having loser status. You may claim later that he has other redeeming features as well, but you didn't mention them did you? To construct your original argument you considered those material possessions alone were enough proof that someone is not a loser. Now you may say that not having those things is no proof that you are a loser but you've aleady gone half way towards judging people in the precise way you advised people not to. |
Sigh...lets not get into some ill-advised philosophical debate on the value of ones existence! 
You read FAR too much into my post, including intention that was not there and added a conclusion that was not intended either. Good creative work on your part however Ed. I congratulate you on your effort. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
You guys are hilarious. I already own my house without debt and have money saved in the bank for retirement, and am putting away more. I do take care of my self. I'm not banking on government hand outs.
Law of diminishing returns, only land or gold or whatever blather. It doesn't matter if you got a diminishing asset, it's still better than no asset.
Even if I didn't have money in the bank, it doesn't mean my assertion of above of people over 40 is incorrect. Just because the messenger is ugly doesn't mean his message is false. |
Why aren't you happy then? Did your wife cheat on you with a 40 year old NET? Who's your kid's daddy? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sigh...lets not get into some ill-advised philosophical debate on the value of ones existence!
You read FAR too much into my post, including intention that was not there and added a conclusion that was not intended either |
There was nothing philosophical or creative about my point at all. You said your friend was not a loser and gave some specific examples of his material gains to prove the point that he wasn't a loser. I concluded from this that you think material gain is a sign that someone is not a loser. How is that reading too much into anything? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Even that single 40-something ESL teacher in Korea who does not have a house paid for is not a loser. He is living his life, who are we to judge? |
But you are judging people indirectly when you say stuff like this
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A friend I made while working in Busan in the early 2000s is single, and now 44. He works in Korea on an E2. He makes very good money and has a good teaching job with a University.
He owns his own house back in Canada (paid for it while working in Korea), has substantial savings, no debts and has a nice appartment in Busan in a good area.
Loser?
I think not.
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You made it quite clear with the second quote that having a good job, ahouse, an apartment and money in the bank on their own disqualifies your friend from having loser status. You may claim later that he has other redeeming features as well, but you didn't mention them did you? To construct your original argument you considered those material possessions alone were enough proof that someone is not a loser. Now you may say that not having those things is no proof that you are a loser but you've aleady gone half way towards judging people in the precise way you advised people not to. |
It seems to me that Mr. Busan was stating that even by the OP's standards this particular friend of his would not be considered a loser.
His OWN personal standards seem much less relaxed.
Keep in mind the context of the situation. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
And F visa without marriage is very difficult. The investor visa requires USD 100,000 now. Good luck. And if you've got 100K, even more reason to go home.
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It is now a lot easier to get. You can get an F visa through the points system now.
Or you can get it by being here for five years on the same visa. (plus a couple of other things, but that seems to be the biggie).
100,000 USD here goes a lot further here than in the U.S. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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It seems to me that Mr. Busan was stating that even by the OP's standards this particular friend of his would not be considered a loser.
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Now you really are reading into things much more than I was. Still I'm sure Mr Busan will agree with you. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have 4 friends who work here who have 1 to 3 houses back home they rent out and have wives and children as well.
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Then I'm not talking about them. |
Fair enough.
A friend I made while working in Busan in the early 2000s is single, and now 44. He works in Korea on an E2. He makes very good money and has a good teaching job with a University.
He owns his own house back in Canada (paid for it while working in Korea), has substantial savings, no debts and has a nice appartment in Busan in a good area.
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yep, 39, e-2 visa, not a uni, but i was asked. should I have taken it? hmm
yeah, man, its all of what you value. I came here in the 90s and did very well, esp when NOONE was here . i made double the avg salary then, to put it into perspective, and life was cheeeeeeeaaaapp there.
i lived in japan for 3+ years, and loved that, but I knew the better money is here. better living is there, maybe...i have both, so im happy
now, im 39, lol, where did the time go? im not married, but not because i havent had a few gfs who wanted it. im buying a house in hawaii soon, well with my folks, theyll live in it. ill visit it.
ive always done well for myself, because I learned to speak Korean, and Japanese as well. I also learned how to connect and who to connect with. meeting new people all the time.
assets? ive invested for many years too. Ill have half a million in the bank when I hit 60. In another 20, it could up to triple.
I have all the comforts and gadgets I want. I have room full of vintage guitars, because i love that stuff.
I can help my parents anytime I want. I give my mom QVC money now and then (loves the bargains!)
I would like to have a few more friends and maybe to start dating again. I also think Id like to change my job. But, Id put that ALL on me and my efforts. We all can get complacent or caught up in things, but thats ok, we can change, all it takes is one step in a new direction.
i like this thread, gave me some perspective I needed.
oh, I go home a few times a year. Nothing much I cant get here (well with amazon, lol). I dont need the Kardashians and dancing with the stars, but cant live without Howard Stern, lol. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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It makes me sad how widespread this idea is.
Live your life and let others live theirs. Stop thinking your wife, child, house, and car should be important to everyone. |
Well said. Exactly.
It takes courage to resist social pressures and the opinions of others and live life as you want to.
With the human population at 7 Billion and rocketting to 9 Billion by 2050, should we really be telling everyone to have more kids? I don't think so. |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:27 am Post subject: |
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When you start bullet pointing why you are happy/successful and others are not then that is a clear sign you have more problems than you're letting on.
A man KNOWS when he is successful. He doesn't need to force his standards on others for validation of the way he lives his life. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Sigh...lets not get into some ill-advised philosophical debate on the value of ones existence!
You read FAR too much into my post, including intention that was not there and added a conclusion that was not intended either |
There was nothing philosophical or creative about my point at all. You said your friend was not a loser and gave some specific examples of his material gains to prove the point that he wasn't a loser. I concluded from this that you think material gain is a sign that someone is not a loser. How is that reading too much into anything? |
Actually Urban has it right. My point was that the OPs standards seemed dumb to me. I provided one example of an over-40 year old single man (categorized as a loser by him initially based on outside appearances) that was doing well in Korea (both materially and personally as in having a happy life).
I know scores of other people who are happy in korea teaching English and who get great satisfaction from doing that (no money talk here). On our last vacation I visited a friend's hakwon (she just opened it) and one of the foreign teachers there was a 50-something American man. He was there to teach after a full career as a teacher back in the US. He got fed up with his job back home and moved to Korea 3 years back. He works Hakwons because he likes teaching children and is a life-long educator. He is not rich and did not seem to care overly much about that. He is happy, is he a loser? Certainly not in my books!
Its not about money all the time but it can be a factor.. My point a person can be very happy working in Korea past their 40s even if they are not married or the owner of a house, car....
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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He owns his own house back in Canada (paid for it while working in Korea), has substantial savings, no debts and has a nice appartment in Busan in a good area.
Loser?
I think not. |
Notice the bolded part. Not 'who's you Daddy' would think he wasn't a loser but 'I think' he's not a loser. You can see how the use of 'I' made me assume that you were actually voicing your own, not what you thought would be someone else's opinion. Although maybe I'm reading too much into your post and generally when people say 'I think' something they usually mean they think someone else thinks something. You also didn't mention anything about his personal life as you just claimed to. It was all about material stuff. Still, you know your own mind. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Ed, I explained my post already. You interpreted that quote, thats fine. It happens on here.
My explanation should have cleared that up however and no need to debate this further. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Sure thing and next time someone catches you out on here saying something you don't really believe in, just say you made a mistake and said the wrong thing and we'll move on a lot quicker |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Sure thing and next time someone catches you out on here saying something you don't really believe in, just say you made a mistake and said the wrong thing and we'll move on a lot quicker |
Was not a mistake in this case however. It was YOU who interpreted one sentence the wrong way but sure...its all good
Take care Ed. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Was not a mistake in this case however. It was YOU who interpreted one sentence the wrong way but sure...its all good
Take care Ed. |
Ok good so now I know the next time I see a sentence of yours starting with the words 'I think', I'll just assume you're not talking about what you think but what someone else thinks and I'll be able to interpret what you say better. Thanks
Take care Pat |
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