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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| You don't need a law to apply common sense. If you are being overworked, leave. If you are wrong, you won't find work. |
Thanks for the sage advice, idiot.
I gave you no implications that I was overworked.
I asked a simple question and got a simple reply. If you're going to do nothing but troll, take it elsewhere.  |
Koreatimes seems to have an aversion to contractual obligations and labor law, instead choosing to rely on gut instinct. |
Let the people speak in volumes through their actions. |
I wonder how loud was the volume of employees desperate to work for pennies at factories in Europe and America during the industrial revolution who sacrificed their health and lives.
I wonder how loud the volume of employees is at factories in 3rd world countries where employees don't have legal protection under the law.
I'm not saying that ESL is like working in a coal mine at the turn of the 20th century or anything, but there is a reason why the LSA is in place. It is to provide a minimum level of protection for employees. If you aren't receiving this minimum level it is in your best interest to quit or file a complaint.
So I agree with KT when he says there are quicker more effective ways to deal with many problems at work than waving your contract around and storming off to the Labor Board. But in most cases here on the boards, teachers have tried all other options and are still getting cheated (which is something I don't think that you realize KT...a lot of these people are at the end of their rope). They have no other remedy except the two you mentioned: walk away with the promise of facing financial hardship, loss of visa, eviction from residence, etc (Because they don't have another job lined up for whatever reason)...or sue and try to win what is legally due to them under the protection of law. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| At this hagwon and the one I worked at before this, the only breaks are the ones you get switching rooms. At this one, I'm always in the same room so there are no breaks. It's an adult hagwon though so even if I did have breaks, I'd probably just sit and talk to the students anyway. |
How many hours do you work? Is it a split shift? What is your schedule? What do you do when you don't have class? Or are you teaching 8 hour long classes a day, straight for 8 hours 5 days a week? If so, is that what your contract says? |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
| At this hagwon and the one I worked at before this, the only breaks are the ones you get switching rooms. At this one, I'm always in the same room so there are no breaks. It's an adult hagwon though so even if I did have breaks, I'd probably just sit and talk to the students anyway. |
How many hours do you work? Is it a split shift? What is your schedule? What do you do when you don't have class? Or are you teaching 8 hour long classes a day, straight for 8 hours 5 days a week? If so, is that what your contract says? |
I'm supposed to teach 32 hours per week but often teacher fewer than 28 on account of students not showing up (small classes with adults).
It's split shifts with only four days per week. There should be four classes in the morning and four in the evening but right now, I'm teaching four in the morning and three in the evening. I usually have Fridays off unless there is a holiday in which case I get a different day off. No complaints about that. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Ok, your schedule doesn't require breaks. Because it is split shifts. You work 4 hours and then stop working for a few hours. So your recess is all that time between shifts.
Nice four day week too! That is the only way I would ever consider splits. That can be rough!  |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: |
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At my hagwon, my work hours are from 1pm-9pm. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, I teach from 2:30pm-8:05pm with one 5 minute break from 7:15-7:20 and no others. Between 8:10 and 8:55 I don't have class, so that's when I usually eat dinner (I wish I could just go home, but the director wants me to be "available" -- for what, I can't imagine).
Tuesdays and Thursdays the schedule is basically the same, w/ the exception that I don't have a class from 6:30-7:15. After that, I have two classes until 8:55.
If I understand what's been said in this thread, then at least on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, I'm entitled to a half hour break immediately following 4 hours worked? Or can the break be scheduled anytime during working hours? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Since your first 1:30 are planning time it looks like he might be able to avoid that. Like I said, working hour and teaching hour are different. If you have freedom to fart around during your planning time, I'd say that constitutes recess (technically you should be allowed to leave for 30 minutes).
If it is really stressing you out, approach your boss about it and ask him if he can adjust the schedule to give your voice a chance to rest and a chance for you to eat because eating late is bad for your health and you are starving by 7:00 or something. He might not realize it is stressing you.
He might want you available during that time for level testing a new student, assisting another teacher, asking you some questions, criticizing you, etc.. |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Since your first 1:30 are planning time it looks like he might be able to avoid that. Like I said, working hour and teaching hour are different. If you have freedom to fart around during your planning time, I'd say that constitutes recess (technically you should be allowed to leave for 30 minutes).
If it is really stressing you out, approach your boss about it and ask him if he can adjust the schedule to give your voice a chance to rest and a chance for you to eat because eating late is bad for your health and you are starving by 7:00 or something. He might not realize it is stressing you.
He might want you available during that time for level testing a new student, assisting another teacher, asking you some questions, criticizing you, etc.. |
I addressed that already w/ my boss, and she said that I'm not allowed to leave the school for more than 5-10 minutes during that first hour and a half. She didn't specify if I could leave the school for an extended period of time during the 8:10-8:55 interval when I don't have class (I've been going out to get something to eat, regardless, b/c I'm starving by the time 8pm rolls around).
What really irritates me about the situation is that the one other teacher at the school, who happens to be Korean, has 2 free periods per night, one for an hour and the other for 45 minutes. She also takes 5 minute breaks between classes and the director doesn't say anything about it to her, yet when I rush off to go grab a drink of water or use the bathroom in the 30 seconds I have before the students file into the classroom and take their seats, the director, if she sees me, will usually say something like "Don't you have class now?" I feel it's a double standard, although I really shouldn't be that surprised, should I?
[Edited slightly for sentence structure] |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| usually say something like "Don't you have class now?" |
When this happens, I try to make them look as stupid as I possibly can. Try to get them to go to whatever classroom they think you are supposed to be in or the classroom for your next class.
When you get there, point to the clock/watch or take out your cell phone and say, "Well it was 1:50 before, right? If I have to teach at 2:00pm, that means I am not teaching now am I?"
Then just stare at them until they leave you alone.
You could also say something back like, "Yes, and I need some pencils, students didn't bring any." That usually gets them scurrying around. The sooner they help you get what they think you need, the sooner you can go back. It's fun to make up stuff. They have no clue if you really needed the pencils or not. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| usually say something like "Don't you have class now?" |
When this happens, I try to make them look as stupid as I possibly can. Try to get them to go to whatever classroom they think you are supposed to be in or the classroom for your next class.
When you get there, point to the clock/watch or take out your cell phone and say, "Well it was 1:50 before, right? If I have to teach at 2:00pm, that means I am not teaching now am I?"
Then just stare at them until they leave you alone. |
Does this even make any sense for what Allthechildrenareinsane was talking about? ATCAI, if you can make sense of this and how it pertains to you having no breaks, more power to you.
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You could also say something back like, "Yes, and I need some pencils, students didn't bring any." That usually gets them scurrying around. The sooner they help you get what they think you need, the sooner you can go back. It's fun to make up stuff. They have no clue if you really needed the pencils or not. |
Except that doesn't explain why he was in the bathroom...not really much help to ATCAI.
ATCAI - How long have you been at this school? How is it that the Korean teacher is able to take 5 minute breaks between classes but you are not? Don't you guys have the same rotation? Or are her kids just going ape-poop inside her classroom while she is in the bathroom talking on her handphone and the director says nothing?
Since your boss doesn't say anything about you staying out so long during your final period break, maybe try that with other aspects of your job. You know the old saying, "It's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission." (Or something like that...) |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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jrwhite82,
I don't know what you have towards me that makes you have to attack every post I make. You constantly do this. Is this a bullying technique?
Do you think I will leave this forum because you post crap about my posts?
Now, I will address your replies assuming you are clueless and need explanations.
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| Does this even make any sense for what Allthechildrenareinsane was talking about? |
If they are being bullied like you are doing with me in these threads, yes, it means you need to stand up to them. They are not the King of the Hill. When the boss/manager stops harassing, when you stop following me to different threads attacking my posts, that's when peace can be established.
I hope you have it in you to lay off harassing me before the boss/manager stops harrassing Allthechildrenareinsane.
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Your advice to him doesn't make any sense. He said he has 30 seconds in between classes. You told him what to do when he has 10 minutes. Useless. You told him to ask his director for pencils, which accomplishes what exactly? Explain how that helps the OP in his situation. First read his situation, then respond. That's how a discussion board works. It is bad form to just read one sentence or one post and then post something ignoring all the other details.
And I don't attack every post you make. Only ones that are wrong or nonsensical. We've gone over this before.
I don't want you to leave and I have nothing against you and I'm sure you're a really nice person. I just have an issue with some of your posts. Sometimes you offer good advice (in this very thread I even agreed with you about something on the top of this very page). Sometimes your advice is irrelevant. Sometimes your advice is just flat out bad.
If you're going to make a statement that is wrong according to someone's contract or the LSA, be prepared to have it criticized for accuracy. If you are going to say something that doesn't make sense because you didn't read or misunderstood someone else's post, be prepared to have someone call you out about what the heck you are trying to say.
If you want to criticize my statements and point out how I am wrong/nonsensical/misguided, feel free. In fact, I encourage others to correct me when I am wrong. I know I am not perfect. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Article 54 (Recess Hours)
(1) An employer shall allow a recess period of more than
30 minutes for every 4 working hours and more than 1 hour
for every 8 working hours during the working hours. |
What this means is that, if you work more than 4 hours but fewer than 8 hours, you must be allowed a 30 minute break at some point during that work period. It does not mean that your break must come exactly at the 4 hour mark. It could come at any time, the middle, earlier or later, as long as it's during the working period, even if it comes at the end.
If you work 8 hours or more you must be allowed an hour of break time at some point during the working period.
It also does not state that the time has to be paid time, just break time. In fact, it quite clearly implies that breaks are unpaid. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Your advice to him doesn't make any sense. |
If you can't make sense of it, ignore. Stop attacking me. Just ignore it. My words are not always directed at you to analyze and misinterpret. Do you have an obsession about me?
Seriously, there is no reason for you follow me from thread to thread saying I make no sense and then make misinformation. You make mistakes in reading and replying to my posts, so obviously you have reading comprehension problems or you are intentionally misreading to attack me.
Again, I ask you nicely to stop attacking me and just ignore my posts if you don't like them.
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| He said he has 30 seconds in between classes. |
No, I'll show you what they stated.
"in the 30 seconds I have before the students file into the classroom and take their seats"
Does file into the classroom mean in between classes? Does it mean that is the total amount of time?
Stop your misreading, stop attacking me.
I am going to ignore the rest. You have a problem and need to get over me. Leave me alone and find someone else. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Article 54 (Recess Hours)
(1) An employer shall allow a recess period of more than
30 minutes for every 4 working hours and more than 1 hour
for every 8 working hours during the working hours. |
What this means is that, if you work more than 4 hours but fewer than 8 hours, you must be allowed a 30 minute break at some point during that work period. It does not mean that your break must come exactly at the 4 hour mark. It could come at any time, the middle, earlier or later, as long as it's during the working period, even if it comes at the end.
If you work 8 hours or more you must be allowed an hour of break time at some point during the working period.
It also does not state that the time has to be paid time, just break time. In fact, it quite clearly implies that breaks are unpaid. |
If you've ever had a time card and you punch out for breaks you'd know they are not paid. It is the employers choice to choose to have paid or unpaid breaks.
The 8 hours though doesn't apply to the 1-9 schedule because 30 minutes of that time should be recess, making it only 7 hours 30 minutes of time when calculating time for recess eligibility, correct?
But since the guy can't use his 30 minutes freely, he has a right to complain.
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| He said he has 30 seconds in between classes. |
No, I'll show you what they stated.
"in the 30 seconds I have before the students file into the classroom and take their seats"
Does file into the classroom mean in between classes? Does it mean that is the total amount of time?
Stop your misreading, stop attacking me.
I am going to ignore the rest. You have a problem and need to get over me. Leave me alone and find someone else. |
It means from the time his last student from his first class steps out the door to the time his second class is in their seats ready to go. That amount of time is 30 seconds. Your advice would apply to someone who had 10 minutes or needed pencils (still not following the pencil thing to be honest). Therefore, your post (unless you can make your pencil thing relevant) is useless.
I am fully allowed to disagree with people on this forum, it is not against the TOS. I have not called you any names or abused you in any way (I was not the one who called you an idiot). I have only attacked your irrelevant, misguided, factually wrong posts. There is a difference. I didn't say you are stupid, you are an idiot, you are a moron.
I clicked on your name and I see a number of threads you have replied in that I have not commented on, so you can hardly say that I am harassing you across this board so chill out with the victim routine. You're fooling no one. Take some of your own advice, ignore my replies to you if they bother you so much. I will continue to correct your mistakes that I notice, like I correct everyone and I will continue to seek clarification when your posts don't make sense. Likewise, I expect others to continue to correct me and seek clarification if I say something unclear. It only serves to provide more accurate information for those seeking help. |
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