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warmachinenkorea
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Are you slow?
US more medals than any country. Simple as that. We compete in every sport in the Olympics. You pointed out the population thing not me.
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Not so simple. The U.S. has a population 6 times that of S.Korea, yet it only won 4 times as many medals. You do understand percentages and ratios, correct?
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| I'm a basketball man so I've heard what all the announcer's say. It's not that the U.S doesn't have skills it's that after the Dream Team destroyed everyone the other countries got better at basketball. Not that we got worse. |
Compare the players of the original Dream Team and those of the non-Gold medal team. I'd take the Dream Team in its prime over that team. I mean that team had a certain Michael Jeffrey Jordan in his prime as well as Bird, Magic, Barkley, Malone, and Ewing.
Players who also grew up in a time when fundamentals had a greater emphasis, ironically it was them them with Jordan dunks and big 3 pointers that contributed to the newer generation chucking 3s and making flashy dunks while playing lazy defense and missing open jumpers.
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| I TOLD you people it's a waste of time 'arguing' with Steelrails. He's got his fixation and he ain't gonna back away from it. I'm really curious how long this meandering 'Steelrails against a succession of non-apologists on subjects with nothing in common but Steelrails' determination to defend and excuse every inferior element of Korean society' thing is going to go on before they lock this thread |
And where is your comment on kid that hacked up his mother? I'm scanning the pages of this thread, but I don't see it.
Et tu Brute?
Seems to be a common phenomenon in bashers, the inability to look if they (or who they represent) are engaging in the same behavior before lobbing stones. |
Have you ever watched basketball form the late 80's-early 90's? Nobody played D. Defense is tougher now than it ever was back then. In the Bird-Magic Era defense was only played in the playoffs.
Of course anyone would take the Dream Team in their prime. However, if you matched the Dream Team against the teams that Spain and Argentina put up today it wouldn't be a 30 point blow out. And the 2008 US olympic team would fair pretty well against the Dream Team.
As far as ratios and percentages go China should have won quite a few more medals than the US. If population was a factor then they would include that in the final standings. But they don't.
The US doesn't have sports specific schools like China and Korea. I've seen a Physical education school here in Korea and they're a joke. The kids practice half-assed all day and don't have classes after lunch. Plus it's mostly the poor kids that go that can't afford normal school. My first HS here in Korea had a rugby team and the kids might as well have been jerking off instead of practicing. But hey they won the Korean National championship but got destroyed when they went to Japan.
We don't send teens to basketball schools like they do in Europe.
Quantity over quality is the Korean way and it shows in athletics. They have a world record in Figure Skating. Big deal she has a foreign coach and practices in Canada more than in Korea. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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in canada these students can dedicate 5% of the time they spend studying in Korea and get into any program/university they wanted
sucks to be them ^^ |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| As far as ratios and percentages go China should have won quite a few more medals than the US. If population was a factor then they would include that in the final standings. But they don't. |
Yeah but if a smaller country wins more gold medals than a larger one, there's something to be said for that.
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| We don't send teens to basketball schools like they do in Europe. |
What are you talking about? Have you ever watched Hoop Dreams? You think those kids are at those fancy prep schools out in the suburbs because of their academic achievements? That's how its always been. It's a wink wink nod nod.
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| Quantity over quality is the Korean way and it shows in athletics. They have a world record in Figure Skating. Big deal she has a foreign coach and practices in Canada more than in Korea. |
Ah yes, the old bias. Whenever the Orein-tal does something its because of some white person.
So because the U.S. gymnastics team had Bela Karolyi (Romania) as its coach for its golds, does that mean their gold medals don't really count?
Korea has more medals per 1 million people than the U.S. How are they lacking quality compared to the U.S.? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, I have to give long delayed props to Floating for openly talking about his firing back home. In the world of the Internet Warrior that kind of honesty is rare. |
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Old fat expat
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This sight is kinda fun.
http://users.skynet.be/hermandw/olymp/reloly.html
USA at #43 Not sure if this warrants a source of pride worth an internet argument
Korea at #47
In all fairness, Korea is 2nd best Asian country. Unless I missed someone, looks like Mongolia is at #33. Mongolia! who would have thought? Wonder what they do so well? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Also, I have to give long delayed props to Floating for openly talking about his firing back home. In the world of the Internet Warrior that kind of honesty is rare. |
It wasn't because of the previous conviction though, it was because my heart wasn't in it and they knew. To be a civil servant, you have to really want to be there. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| As far as ratios and percentages go China should have won quite a few more medals than the US. If population was a factor then they would include that in the final standings. But they don't. |
Yeah but if a smaller country wins more gold medals than a larger one, there's something to be said for that.
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| We don't send teens to basketball schools like they do in Europe. |
What are you talking about? Have you ever watched Hoop Dreams? You think those kids are at those fancy prep schools out in the suburbs because of their academic achievements? That's how its always been. It's a wink wink nod nod.
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| Quantity over quality is the Korean way and it shows in athletics. They have a world record in Figure Skating. Big deal she has a foreign coach and practices in Canada more than in Korea. |
Ah yes, the old bias. Whenever the Orein-tal does something its because of some white person.
So because the U.S. gymnastics team had Bela Karolyi (Romania) as its coach for its golds, does that mean their gold medals don't really count?
Korea has more medals per 1 million people than the U.S. How are they lacking quality compared to the U.S.? |
The kids in Hoop Dreams still had to get past he NCAA clearing house. Unlike the kids in Europe and other countries were they are sent to schools ran by the Pro leagues. Then the kids get signed to a league at 15 yrs old. This doesn't happen in the US.
We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. The population to medal thing is nothing. The concentrate on a few events were we have people that compete in everything. I've got 2 girls at my rural MS, the school barely has 60 students, that are over 6ft tall. Neither one of them will touch a basketball or volleyball because these sports, "Are not famous in this area." This is from the mouth of more than one Korean administrator. Our athletes have to compete and study. Are there scandals? Yes, but you here more about academic fraud on the SAT than from athletes. These kids still have to make the NCAA clearing house to get in. The still have tutors and teachers that go on the road with them when they travel. They still have assignments that are required and sometimes due the same time as other students. The percentage of athletes that don't go pro is pretty high. These people don't have the cookie cutter classes and actually get a degree in some thing worth while.
Here the athletes don't go to class don't have assignments and couldn't imagine being required to do the same things as other students. It's even this way in MS to an extent. |
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Steelrails
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| The kids in Hoop Dreams still had to get past he NCAA clearing house. Unlike the kids in Europe and other countries were they are sent to schools ran by the Pro leagues. Then the kids get signed to a league at 15 yrs old. This doesn't happen in the US. |
Their High Schools were clearing houses.
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| We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. |
Yeah, because Gus Hiddink is the most hated man in Korea.
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| The population to medal thing is nothing. The concentrate on a few events were we have people that compete in everything. |
So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports?
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So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports? |
You mean in the inner city there's a bunch of kids playing baseball on the sandlot and rolling around the local hockey rink?
You mean there aren't a bunch of white kids who have been subtly pushed by their parents into hockey or LaCrosse and not basketball because of perceived physical limitations? You mean there aren't sports cut because of Title IX?
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| Our athletes have to compete and study. Are there scandals? Yes, but you here more about academic fraud on the SAT than from athletes. |
Oh please. You hear about academic scandals all the time in college and H.S. and for every one that is caught, there are dozens more that go unreported.
Unless you are one of those people who believe the number of robberies equals the number of people arrested for robbery.
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| . These kids still have to make the NCAA clearing house to get in. The still have tutors and teachers that go on the road with them when they travel. They still have assignments that are required and sometimes due the same time as other students. The percentage of athletes that don't go pro is pretty high. These people don't have the cookie cutter classes and actually get a degree in some thing worth while. |
Right, because these days a bachelor's degree in anything is going to guarantee you a good job and a bright financial future...
To say nothing of the number of athletes that hold degrees in General Studies or Kinesiology or Communications.
NCAA clearing house? Are you serious? It takes a 2.0 and a pulse to get into a Division 1 MAC school. That's for normal people. For recruits?
Are you seriously claiming that Billy-Bob and LaMarcus are strenuously following academic standards? That the Miami Hurricane football team spends its plane flights discussing Proust? That the people on the Florida State basketball team spent their high schools engaged in serious study?
Come on... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. . |
"Seven foreigners have been appointed as the head coach of the Korean soccer
team since 1990..."
http://users.polisci.wisc.edu/schatzberg/ps616/Lee2007.pdf
And those don't include Hiddink.
Your claims do not reflect reality. |
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warmachinenkorea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| The kids in Hoop Dreams still had to get past he NCAA clearing house. Unlike the kids in Europe and other countries were they are sent to schools ran by the Pro leagues. Then the kids get signed to a league at 15 yrs old. This doesn't happen in the US. |
Their High Schools were clearing houses.
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| We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. |
Yeah, because Gus Hiddink is the most hated man in Korea.
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| The population to medal thing is nothing. The concentrate on a few events were we have people that compete in everything. |
So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports?
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So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports? |
You mean in the inner city there's a bunch of kids playing baseball on the sandlot and rolling around the local hockey rink?
You mean there aren't a bunch of white kids who have been subtly pushed by their parents into hockey or LaCrosse and not basketball because of perceived physical limitations? You mean there aren't sports cut because of Title IX?
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| Our athletes have to compete and study. Are there scandals? Yes, but you here more about academic fraud on the SAT than from athletes. |
Oh please. You hear about academic scandals all the time in college and H.S. and for every one that is caught, there are dozens more that go unreported.
Unless you are one of those people who believe the number of robberies equals the number of people arrested for robbery.
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| . These kids still have to make the NCAA clearing house to get in. The still have tutors and teachers that go on the road with them when they travel. They still have assignments that are required and sometimes due the same time as other students. The percentage of athletes that don't go pro is pretty high. These people don't have the cookie cutter classes and actually get a degree in some thing worth while. |
Right, because these days a bachelor's degree in anything is going to guarantee you a good job and a bright financial future...
To say nothing of the number of athletes that hold degrees in General Studies or Kinesiology or Communications.
NCAA clearing house? Are you serious? It takes a 2.0 and a pulse to get into a Division 1 MAC school. That's for normal people. For recruits?
Are you seriously claiming that Billy-Bob and LaMarcus are strenuously following academic standards? That the Miami Hurricane football team spends its plane flights discussing Proust? That the people on the Florida State basketball team spent their high schools engaged in serious study?
Come on... |
I don't care if anyone beats the US. It's the nature of sports. You are the one arguing that other countries are better. Sports might be all over the world but on one has a craze and draws as many fans for sporting events as the US. Granted when a countries national team people get in a frenzy. In Knoxville during football season every home game the Vols play is either sold out or nearly sold out. That's over 100,000 people every other Saturday during football season. Knoxville and the surrounding area has a little over a million people. Seoul and the surrounding area has about 20 million. Could they pull those numbers for a college or pro soccer game each Saturday for a few months for years?
If China wins more medals then they win more medals. I don't care about population. You brought that up.
Do you know what the NCAA clearing house is? A school cannot be the NCAA clearing house. These kids have to have a certain GPA and a certain ACT/SAT score to make the clearing house. The higher the GPA the lower your ACT/SAT score can be. The lower the GPA the higher your ACT/SAT must be. My old HS had 5 kids that were Mid-major to Major D1 talents in basketball. 1 of them went on to play at the mid-major level. The others wouldn't, not that they couldn't but wouldn't, make the grades. I've seen this with more than 10 guys in the past 20 years from my area back home. I also know a few kids that made the grades and went on to play at the level they should have. I also come from a very small area were cheating on an exam or fudging grades would be real easy to do.
Why do Koreans get foreigners to coach? Is it because there are no native people here that understand that quality is better than quantity? We don't play our best in the WAC and Olympic baseball. If we did we might win. Japan and Korea are always about offense. Defense wins things and always will.
Find more than 15 HS athletic-academic scandals.
I was an athlete in HS that had a chance to play small college ball. I had a friend that played semi- pro ball. I have spent time around guys that played pro or semi pro basketball. These guys worked hard in academics and athletics. I've also been around HS and MS athletes here in Korea and their coaches. They scoff at the idea of studying and making grades because they don't have to. In HS athletics at home the coach has to turn in the players grades each semester and if the player fails 1 or more classes he is ineligible for the next semester. I had a rugby coach here in Korea tell me to leave his players alone and let them sleep when they come to class in the winter.
The idea that Korea and the US are the same on the athletic field is silly and irresponsible. They might have won a few things. But they will never have the sports culture the US has. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The kids in Hoop Dreams still had to get past he NCAA clearing house. Unlike the kids in Europe and other countries were they are sent to schools ran by the Pro leagues. Then the kids get signed to a league at 15 yrs old. This doesn't happen in the US. |
Their High Schools were clearing houses.
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| We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. |
Yeah, because Gus Hiddink is the most hated man in Korea.
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| The population to medal thing is nothing. The concentrate on a few events were we have people that compete in everything. |
So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports?
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So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports? |
You mean in the inner city there's a bunch of kids playing baseball on the sandlot and rolling around the local hockey rink?
You mean there aren't a bunch of white kids who have been subtly pushed by their parents into hockey or LaCrosse and not basketball because of perceived physical limitations? You mean there aren't sports cut because of Title IX?
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| Our athletes have to compete and study. Are there scandals? Yes, but you here more about academic fraud on the SAT than from athletes. |
Oh please. You hear about academic scandals all the time in college and H.S. and for every one that is caught, there are dozens more that go unreported.
Unless you are one of those people who believe the number of robberies equals the number of people arrested for robbery.
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| . These kids still have to make the NCAA clearing house to get in. The still have tutors and teachers that go on the road with them when they travel. They still have assignments that are required and sometimes due the same time as other students. The percentage of athletes that don't go pro is pretty high. These people don't have the cookie cutter classes and actually get a degree in some thing worth while. |
Right, because these days a bachelor's degree in anything is going to guarantee you a good job and a bright financial future...
To say nothing of the number of athletes that hold degrees in General Studies or Kinesiology or Communications.
NCAA clearing house? Are you serious? It takes a 2.0 and a pulse to get into a Division 1 MAC school. That's for normal people. For recruits?
Are you seriously claiming that Billy-Bob and LaMarcus are strenuously following academic standards? That the Miami Hurricane football team spends its plane flights discussing Proust? That the people on the Florida State basketball team spent their high schools engaged in serious study?
Come on... |
Yes. What you don't seem to get is that most university scholarship athletes will never play pro and so they go to class and earn their degrees because that's what is going to put bread on their tables.
Proust. You just can't argue it straight can you?
You remind me of this jerk I went to junior high with. No matter how wrong he was he would never give up his argument, no matter how trivial the issue (although it was often about him cheating at some game we were playing).
So everyone quit having anything to do with him. Then one fall he begged and begged to come play football with us after school. We played behind a Mormon church and after it rained the field would be really muddy. That's what it was like the day he showed up to play, wearing a pair of white cords and a new white football jersey. Well you can guess the rest. Even though he asked to play back on defense, on the very first play he got wiped out by a blocker and his clothes were covered in mud.
Your arguments fall just as flat. |
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atwood
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| The kids in Hoop Dreams still had to get past he NCAA clearing house. Unlike the kids in Europe and other countries were they are sent to schools ran by the Pro leagues. Then the kids get signed to a league at 15 yrs old. This doesn't happen in the US. |
Their High Schools were clearing houses.
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| We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. |
Yeah, because Gus Hiddink is the most hated man in Korea.
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| The population to medal thing is nothing. The concentrate on a few events were we have people that compete in everything. |
So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports?
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So if China wins more medals than the U.S. you wouldn't bring up the fact that China has 1 billion people and the U.S. only has 300 million? Please, you'd be banging the "But they have 1 billion people" drum so loudly.
Why is it so hard to admit that some other country beat the USA in sports? |
You mean in the inner city there's a bunch of kids playing baseball on the sandlot and rolling around the local hockey rink?
You mean there aren't a bunch of white kids who have been subtly pushed by their parents into hockey or LaCrosse and not basketball because of perceived physical limitations? You mean there aren't sports cut because of Title IX?
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| Our athletes have to compete and study. Are there scandals? Yes, but you here more about academic fraud on the SAT than from athletes. |
Oh please. You hear about academic scandals all the time in college and H.S. and for every one that is caught, there are dozens more that go unreported.
Unless you are one of those people who believe the number of robberies equals the number of people arrested for robbery.
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| . These kids still have to make the NCAA clearing house to get in. The still have tutors and teachers that go on the road with them when they travel. They still have assignments that are required and sometimes due the same time as other students. The percentage of athletes that don't go pro is pretty high. These people don't have the cookie cutter classes and actually get a degree in some thing worth while. |
Right, because these days a bachelor's degree in anything is going to guarantee you a good job and a bright financial future...
To say nothing of the number of athletes that hold degrees in General Studies or Kinesiology or Communications.
NCAA clearing house? Are you serious? It takes a 2.0 and a pulse to get into a Division 1 MAC school. That's for normal people. For recruits?
Are you seriously claiming that Billy-Bob and LaMarcus are strenuously following academic standards? That the Miami Hurricane football team spends its plane flights discussing Proust? That the people on the Florida State basketball team spent their high schools engaged in serious study?
Come on... |
I don't care if anyone beats the US. It's the nature of sports. You are the one arguing that other countries are better. Sports might be all over the world but on one has a craze and draws as many fans for sporting events as the US. Granted when a countries national team people get in a frenzy. In Knoxville during football season every home game the Vols play is either sold out or nearly sold out. That's over 100,000 people every other Saturday during football season. Knoxville and the surrounding area has a little over a million people. Seoul and the surrounding area has about 20 million. Could they pull those numbers for a college or pro soccer game each Saturday for a few months for years?
If China wins more medals then they win more medals. I don't care about population. You brought that up.
Do you know what the NCAA clearing house is? A school cannot be the NCAA clearing house. These kids have to have a certain GPA and a certain ACT/SAT score to make the clearing house. The higher the GPA the lower your ACT/SAT score can be. The lower the GPA the higher your ACT/SAT must be. My old HS had 5 kids that were Mid-major to Major D1 talents in basketball. 1 of them went on to play at the mid-major level. The others wouldn't, not that they couldn't but wouldn't, make the grades. I've seen this with more than 10 guys in the past 20 years from my area back home. I also know a few kids that made the grades and went on to play at the level they should have. I also come from a very small area were cheating on an exam or fudging grades would be real easy to do.
Why do Koreans get foreigners to coach? Is it because there are no native people here that understand that quality is better than quantity? We don't play our best in the WAC and Olympic baseball. If we did we might win. Japan and Korea are always about offense. Defense wins things and always will.
Find more than 15 HS athletic-academic scandals.
I was an athlete in HS that had a chance to play small college ball. I had a friend that played semi- pro ball. I have spent time around guys that played pro or semi pro basketball. These guys worked hard in academics and athletics. I've also been around HS and MS athletes here in Korea and their coaches. They scoff at the idea of studying and making grades because they don't have to. In HS athletics at home the coach has to turn in the players grades each semester and if the player fails 1 or more classes he is ineligible for the next semester. I had a rugby coach here in Korea tell me to leave his players alone and let them sleep when they come to class in the winter.
The idea that Korea and the US are the same on the athletic field is silly and irresponsible. They might have won a few things. But they will never have the sports culture the US has. |
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madoka
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Proust. You just can't argue it straight can you?
You remind me of this jerk I went to junior high with. . .
Your arguments fall just as flat. |
So since you can't point out what's wrong with his arguments, you resort to a childish side story and insults? And to top it off, you claim that he can't argue straight? Lame. |
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Steelrails
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| You are the one arguing that other countries are better. |
Because someone originally asserted that Korean athletics were a failure. In order to show that they are not a failure I tried to point out successes.
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| Sports might be all over the world but on one has a craze and draws as many fans for sporting events as the US. |
I would agree with that.
Only thing close is EPL, I think.
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| Do you know what the NCAA clearing house is? A school cannot be the NCAA clearing house. These kids have to have a certain GPA and a certain ACT/SAT score to make the clearing house. The higher the GPA the lower your ACT/SAT score can be. The lower the GPA the higher your ACT/SAT must be. My old HS had 5 kids that were Mid-major to Major D1 talents in basketball. 1 of them went on to play at the mid-major level. The others wouldn't, not that they couldn't but wouldn't, make the grades. I've seen this with more than 10 guys in the past 20 years from my area back home. I also know a few kids that made the grades and went on to play at the level they should have. I also come from a very small area were cheating on an exam or fudging grades would be real easy to do. |
So because it doesn't happen in your small rural school, it never happens anywhere else? Please.
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| Why do Koreans get foreigners to coach? Is it because there are no native people here that understand that quality is better than quantity? |
Maybe the same reason other countries get Koreans and Japanese to coach Judo and TKD?
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| We don't play our best in the WAC and Olympic baseball. |
You played a great team. Japan didn't play its best either. Either way your team, in theory, should have done better than it did.
Sour grapes.
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| Find more than 15 HS athletic-academic scandals. |
I'm not going to surf for hours on the internet. High School sports scandals receive much less press and are less likely to have articles. Also since the start of NCLB most grade-fixing scandals are now "generalized" but I'm sure a good many of them involve athletes as well as the general student body. However searching for "Grade-fixing" turned up oodles of general scandals. Also High Schools are under much less scrutiny than Universities so they are much less likely to be caught.
Here are some I found.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/01/jersey_city_school_district_st.html
http://www.king5.com/sports/high-school/Times-firing-garfield-hoop-star---121326134.html
http://www.wkyc.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=41945
http://www.john-zhu.com/portfolio/writing/grades
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| I was an athlete in HS that had a chance to play small college ball. I had a friend that played semi- pro ball. I have spent time around guys that played pro or semi pro basketball. These guys worked hard in academics and athletics. I've also been around HS and MS athletes here in Korea and their coaches. They scoff at the idea of studying and making grades because they don't have to. In HS athletics at home the coach has to turn in the players grades each semester and if the player fails 1 or more classes he is ineligible for the next semester. I had a rugby coach here in Korea tell me to leave his players alone and let them sleep when they come to class in the winter. |
Well your personal anecdotes are nice.
But the swarm of hits for scandals in college sports and grade fixing in high schools must be considered as well.
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| The idea that Korea and the US are the same on the athletic field is silly and irresponsible. They might have won a few things. But they will never have the sports culture the US has. |
I agree.
But Korea has been doing a decent job at athletics if you look at what it's churning out.
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| Yes. What you don't seem to get is that most university scholarship athletes will never play pro and so they go to class and earn their degrees because that's what is going to put bread on their tables. |
So they don't do the bare minimum to graduate and coast through college like many a normal degree holding shlub?
atwood, you have framed your argument that everything wrong with sports and athletics happens in Korea, while everything right with it happens in the U.S. and it always happens that way.
I am simply stating, that much like Korea, U.S. athletics can be corrupt and dirty and have money getting tossed around, often involving the public sector. Korea's athletics program isn't junk. The data goes to show that. The U.S. is king, but the king doesn't always win. |
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| We don't mind foreigners coaching our teams. Koreans do. |
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| Why do Koreans get foreigners to coach? Is it because there are no native people here that understand that quality is better than quantity? . |
So first you blast Koreans for not hiring foreigners and then when people point out that actually they have hired quite a few you blast them for hiring foreigners? Do you not realize how this makes you look and how it hurts any points you are trying to make by comparison?
They have had Korean coaches as well before. They are just trying to find the best coach be he Korean or foreigner.
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