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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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 Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| I can't imagine many ESL teachers here are in a stable position to raise a child. Don't have this kid unless you are sure you want to stay with your girlfriend, possibly in Korea, for the rest of your lives. Otherwise it's not fair on the kid and you could face living in a different continent to your child who you will very rarely see |
You talk like being an illegitimate mixed-race child in Korea could be a bad thing. |
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eat_yeot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Your websites don't seem to understand what the word sustain mean.
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Seriously, if you're not familiar with the concept of "being able to sustain life outside the womb", you're obviously uninformed on the subject. Read up and get back to me when you understand the basic concepts being discussed.
Also, check out this definition:
2) life - The interval of time between birth and death
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/life
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| Sure, and the pro choice movement doesn't have a leader with half a mustache. Obviously not every single aspect of the analogy is going to hold true, but the killing that is justified by claiming non human is the same. |
Do you eat beef? Why? You're killing humans in the process. Or are you going to be a hypocrite and claim that cows are non human? |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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The Nazis thought the Jews were a problem, and that they would be better off without them. They began spreading the lie that they weren't human, which made it much easier to slaughter them. It's amazing how many people believed that lie.
You think you too smart to believe such a lie? Germany was one of the most brilliant liberal cultures in the world that produced great writings, poetry, philosophy, theology and was made into an instrument for the massive annihilation of the Jewish people.
Don't be fooled, the same thing is happening today. |
You're right. Those of us who are pro-choice want to annihilate babies. All of them. Permanently.
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Sure, and the pro choice movement doesn't have a leader with half a mustache. Obviously not every single aspect of the analogy is going to hold true, but the killing that is justified by claiming non human is the same. |
I do love marching and uniforms, always wanted to invade Poland and quite fond of the word "blitzkreig". Nazi, I must be! Nein!
You sure are the poster boy for Godwin's Law or is that basket case? The Nazi in me gets those mixed up when I'm not out persecuting gays in between my breaks of exterminating kittens. I guess it's hard to be wrong when your this "reich"! Oooh, behave, you grammar nazis!
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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It would be ridiculous to let other people's personal religious beliefs sway your own decision which will not affect them in the slightest
but will probably be the biggest decision of your life, depending which way you go
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You talk like being an illegitimate mixed-race child in Korea could be a bad thing. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps the OP needed to post this so people would be aware that he had had sex. Congrats!! Now learn how to be an adult. No unprotected sex unless you are prepared for the consequences. |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| eat_yeot wrote: |
| jonbowman88 wrote: |
Your websites don't seem to understand what the word sustain mean.
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Seriously, if you're not familiar with the concept of "being able to sustain life outside the womb", you're obviously uninformed on the subject. Read up and get back to me when you understand the basic concepts being discussed.
Also, check out this definition:
2) life - The interval of time between birth and death
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/life
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| Sure, and the pro choice movement doesn't have a leader with half a mustache. Obviously not every single aspect of the analogy is going to hold true, but the killing that is justified by claiming non human is the same. |
Do you eat beef? Why? You're killing humans in the process. Or are you going to be a hypocrite and claim that cows are non human? |
Let me try to make this as simple as possible for you.
Things that are not alive:
Door knob
Soap
Rock
Calculator
Get the idea?
This web site you quoted is ridiculous
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/When_does_life_begin%3F
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| Here the start of life is defined as when the fetus can sustain itself outside the mother's womb. |
The baby is alive from day 1, it's not until it is aborted that it is dead. It has absolutely nothing to do with sustainability. This idea that life begins when a baby can supported itself on it's own has no scientific merit at all whatsoever. It is nothing more than a made up idea to perpetuate the lie that the baby isn't alive. |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Savant wrote: |
| jonbowman88 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jonbowman88 wrote: |
The Nazis thought the Jews were a problem, and that they would be better off without them. They began spreading the lie that they weren't human, which made it much easier to slaughter them. It's amazing how many people believed that lie.
You think you too smart to believe such a lie? Germany was one of the most brilliant liberal cultures in the world that produced great writings, poetry, philosophy, theology and was made into an instrument for the massive annihilation of the Jewish people.
Don't be fooled, the same thing is happening today. |
You're right. Those of us who are pro-choice want to annihilate babies. All of them. Permanently.
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Sure, and the pro choice movement doesn't have a leader with half a mustache. Obviously not every single aspect of the analogy is going to hold true, but the killing that is justified by claiming non human is the same. |
I do love marching and uniforms, always wanted to invade Poland and quite fond of the word "blitzkreig". Nazi, I must be! Nein!
You sure are the poster boy for Godwin's Law or is that basket case? The Nazi in me gets those mixed up when I'm not out persecuting gays in between my breaks of exterminating kittens. I guess it's hard to be wrong when your this "reich"! Oooh, behave, you grammar nazis! |
Not sure what so difficult to understand about this.
When people define other humans as non-human. It allows them to ease their conscience and perform all types of evils.
- People call the baby inside them a non life form, not a human, just a blob, to justify the killing of a baby in their womb.
- In the 1700's people believed Africans were non humans, and equated them with animals, which allowed them to justify slavery.
- The Nazis justified the killing of the Jewish people by making themselves believe they weren't human.
It's so much easier to say I got rid of a mass of tissue inside me that isn't even alive, than it is to say I didn't want this baby so I killed it. Which is what your doing. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: |
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The mass of tissue is alive, but I would argue that it isn't sentient, which is why I have no problem with abortions performed early in a pregnancy.
I stumbled across this today and thought it might be relevant to this discussion:
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3. Brain, spinal cord, and heart begin to develop.
4-5. Brain develops into five areas. Cranial nerves visible. Eye and ear structures begin to form.
6. Nerve terminals and fibers are present deep in skin.
7. All essential organs have begun to form.
8. Nerve fibers grow into spinal cord. Signals from tissue stimulation reach spinal cord.
9-12. Fetus can make a fist. Face is well-formed. Liver produces red blood cells.
12. Connections from thalamus to cortex develop.
13. Internal organs develop nerve terminals that can detect surgical tissue damage.
13-16. Fetus begins to make active movements and sucking motions.
14. Eyes begin to face forward and slowly move. Ultrasound detects coordinated movements.
16. Brain responses to low-frequency noise can be recorded.
18. Fetus withdraws from a needle. It launches a midbrain-generated stress response to needle punctures. This confirms that signals about tissue damage are reaching the midbrain.
19. Withdrawal reflexes and other nociceptive reactions can be recorded.
20. Increase in cortisol, beta-endorphin, noradrenaline when a needle invades the abdomen.
21. Rapid eye movements begin.
22-23. Fetus shows habituation to stimuli, reacts to first occurrence but not multiple repetitions.
23. Startle reflex develops. Some fetuses respond to familiar sounds, such as mother�s voice, with movement.
24. Cortex begins to process sensory input, including tissue damage. Air sacs form in lungs.
25-28. Accelerated brain construction. Respiratory development makes gas exchange possible.
26. Auditory cortex begins to respond to sound. Coordinated behavioral responses include facial expressions. Some motions look like scratching, smiling, crying, sucking.
28. Visually evoked responses and spontaneous brain activity of cortical origin are recorded.
29. Clear behavioral responses to smell can be recorded in infants born at this age.
29-30. Pathways mediating pain perception become functional.
30. Fetus practices breathing.
33. fMRI shows cortical activation in response to sound.
34. Accelerated brain development. EEG rhythm of the two hemispheres is synchronized.
35. Organs are ready to function on their own. |
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2011/12/late_term_abortion_and_fetal_development_my_debate_with_ann_furedi_.html |
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bueblo
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Personally, I'm tired of murderous menstrual cycles. All those unfertilized eggs are potential lives thrown away by murderous uteruses.. appalling, I say! |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
The mass of tissue is alive, but I would argue that it isn't sentient, which is why I have no problem with abortions performed early in a pregnancy.
I stumbled across this today and thought it might be relevant to this discussion:
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3. Brain, spinal cord, and heart begin to develop.
4-5. Brain develops into five areas. Cranial nerves visible. Eye and ear structures begin to form.
6. Nerve terminals and fibers are present deep in skin.
7. All essential organs have begun to form.
8. Nerve fibers grow into spinal cord. Signals from tissue stimulation reach spinal cord.
9-12. Fetus can make a fist. Face is well-formed. Liver produces red blood cells.
12. Connections from thalamus to cortex develop.
13. Internal organs develop nerve terminals that can detect surgical tissue damage.
13-16. Fetus begins to make active movements and sucking motions.
14. Eyes begin to face forward and slowly move. Ultrasound detects coordinated movements.
16. Brain responses to low-frequency noise can be recorded.
18. Fetus withdraws from a needle. It launches a midbrain-generated stress response to needle punctures. This confirms that signals about tissue damage are reaching the midbrain.
19. Withdrawal reflexes and other nociceptive reactions can be recorded.
20. Increase in cortisol, beta-endorphin, noradrenaline when a needle invades the abdomen.
21. Rapid eye movements begin.
22-23. Fetus shows habituation to stimuli, reacts to first occurrence but not multiple repetitions.
23. Startle reflex develops. Some fetuses respond to familiar sounds, such as mother�s voice, with movement.
24. Cortex begins to process sensory input, including tissue damage. Air sacs form in lungs.
25-28. Accelerated brain construction. Respiratory development makes gas exchange possible.
26. Auditory cortex begins to respond to sound. Coordinated behavioral responses include facial expressions. Some motions look like scratching, smiling, crying, sucking.
28. Visually evoked responses and spontaneous brain activity of cortical origin are recorded.
29. Clear behavioral responses to smell can be recorded in infants born at this age.
29-30. Pathways mediating pain perception become functional.
30. Fetus practices breathing.
33. fMRI shows cortical activation in response to sound.
34. Accelerated brain development. EEG rhythm of the two hemispheres is synchronized.
35. Organs are ready to function on their own. |
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2011/12/late_term_abortion_and_fetal_development_my_debate_with_ann_furedi_.html |
Defiantly a good article, however I would still argue that it makes absolutely no difference whether the child is able to feel the abortion, or be conscious of its happening.
If you poison someone, and they never know it. They simply fall asleep and never wake up. It's still murder whether they knew it was happening or not. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps the OP needed to post this so people would be aware that he had had sex. Congrats!! Now learn how to be an adult. No unprotected sex unless you are prepared for the consequences. |
Didn't the OP say they had protected sex? Condoms and birth control aren't 100% effective. |
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eat_yeot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jonbowman88 wrote: |
| The baby is alive from day 1, it's not until it is aborted that it is dead. It has absolutely nothing to do with sustainability. This idea that life begins when a baby can supported itself on it's own has no scientific merit at all whatsoever. It is nothing more than a made up idea to perpetuate the lie that the baby isn't alive. |
Pretty sure you're just trolling, but...
My appendix is alive.
A cow is alive.
Please justify an appendectomy.
Please justify eating beef. |
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jonbowman88
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
Location: gwangju, s korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| eat_yeot wrote: |
| jonbowman88 wrote: |
| The baby is alive from day 1, it's not until it is aborted that it is dead. It has absolutely nothing to do with sustainability. This idea that life begins when a baby can supported itself on it's own has no scientific merit at all whatsoever. It is nothing more than a made up idea to perpetuate the lie that the baby isn't alive. |
Pretty sure you're just trolling, but...
My appendix is alive.
A cow is alive.
Please justify an appendectomy.
Please justify eating beef. |
Your inability to differentiate between killing a person and an animal will not be responded to. |
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eat_yeot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| jonbowman88 wrote: |
| eat_yeot wrote: |
| jonbowman88 wrote: |
| The baby is alive from day 1, it's not until it is aborted that it is dead. It has absolutely nothing to do with sustainability. This idea that life begins when a baby can supported itself on it's own has no scientific merit at all whatsoever. It is nothing more than a made up idea to perpetuate the lie that the baby isn't alive. |
Pretty sure you're just trolling, but...
My appendix is alive.
A cow is alive.
Please justify an appendectomy.
Please justify eating beef. |
Your inability to differentiate between killing a person and an animal will not be responded to. |
An appendix is human.
A cow is human.
Show otherwise.
While you're at it, provide a scientifically accepted definition of "alive". |
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paynedaniel
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: re: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
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| My 6 month old cow can't sustain herself. My wife has to feed her, we need to keep her in a warm house or she'd freeze, we take her to the vet when she's sick. There's no way she could possibly sustain herself anytime in the near future. Does that mean that she isn't a person? |
Fail. You said a person is person when "it can sustain itself outside the womb" and you got served. This response is laughably inept. If you want to modify your response to " a person is a person when it can be sustained outside the womb," well, we'll see where that leads to. |
As a pastor, I also take the view that life begins at the first breath. http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d050201.htm marks some good reasons for this stance. |
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