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adzee1
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
| Here is why. Take a rest. Is wrong. They are using the word rest as a countable noun. In this case take (a) referring to 1 and (rest) uncountable noun. So tell me how do you count rest? It's like saying. "Take a dirt." |
Its not wrong, "rest" can be countable or uncountable. It says so in the dictionary.
Example.(countable) Any relief from exertion; a state of quiet and relaxation.
"We took a rest at the top of the hill to get our breath back"
also...(music, countable) A pause of a specified length in a piece of music.
"Remember there's a rest at the end of the fourth bar"
If you wanted to count it you could say
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill" |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Example.(countable) Any relief from exertion; a state of quiet and relaxation.
"We took a rest at the top of the hill to get our breath back"
In this case it would be fine because you are quantifying the verb.
If you wanted to count it you could say
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill"
And still you are quantifying the noun.
You don't leave the sentence fragmented or incomplete.
This is why I don't like this sentence. I took many English writing and Speech classes in College. I would venture to guess if I ever wrote a sentence like this my paper would be bleeding red for my Professors red pen. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
Example.(countable) Any relief from exertion; a state of quiet and relaxation.
"We took a rest at the top of the hill to get our breath back"
In this case it would be fine because you are quantifying the verb.
If you wanted to count it you could say
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill"
And still you are quantifying the noun.
You don't leave the sentence fragmented or incomplete.
This is why I don't like this sentence. I took many English writing and Speech classes in College. I would venture to guess if I ever wrote a sentence like this my paper would be bleeding red for my Professors red pen. |
"We took a rest at the top of the hill" is not a verb its a noun.
If it was in verb form it would be " we rested at the top of the hill"
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill"
I dont see why your college professor would have a problem with this, its perfectly fine. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just stopping in to (again) assert to the Internet that there is NO "A" IN "DEFINITELY".
Thank you. |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
Example.(countable) Any relief from exertion; a state of quiet and relaxation.
"We took a rest at the top of the hill to get our breath back"
In this case it would be fine because you are quantifying the verb.
If you wanted to count it you could say
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill"
And still you are quantifying the noun.
You don't leave the sentence fragmented or incomplete.
This is why I don't like this sentence. I took many English writing and Speech classes in College. I would venture to guess if I ever wrote a sentence like this my paper would be bleeding red for my Professors red pen. |
"We took a rest at the top of the hill" is not a verb its a noun.
If it was in verb form it would be " we rested at the top of the hill"
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill"
I dont see why your college professor would have a problem with this, its perfectly fine. |
OK. For the last time. Take a rest. Should be. Get some rest. I don't know what dictionary you are looking at maybe it's one of those Korea to English dictionaries. I told you it bothers me because it is wrong plain and simple I gave examples but you have to be a right fighter. I looked it up in the Websters dictionary online. Just remember this when you say take a rest it sounds like this. Y'all goin out to dinner. I ain't. I is stayin home. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Just remember this when you say take a rest it sounds like this. Y'all goin out to dinner. I ain't. I is stayin home.[/quote]
No it doesnt though does it? Maybe I am going out for a nice dinner later though.
Oxford English dictionary states:
Rest. noun
1 an instance or period of resting:
you look as though you need a rest
[mass noun] :
a couple of days of complete rest
I am interested to hear your argument against the Oxford Dictionary?
Also being from England I would not say "Y`all"
I will leave that up to you. |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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The oxford dictionary is as you would say spot on. It uses the word rest in complete sentences.
My point is this where does it say. Take a rest. It doesn't. I said it annoys me and you have proven my point over and over by annoying me with it. I hope you are happy. I had to study English in my major and speech as well. Everything from grammar to public speaking.
And personally if you use. Take a rest with me. I will knock 100 points off your IQ. It sounds like redneck slang. That was the point of my last post. you didn't have to fix the sentences.
For you it may be perfect. But for me it is childish not even level 1 English.
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| adzee1 wrote: |
Its not wrong, "rest" can be countable or uncountable. It says so in the dictionary.
Example.(countable) Any relief from exertion; a state of quiet and relaxation.
"We took a rest at the top of the hill to get our breath back"
also...(music, countable) A pause of a specified length in a piece of music.
"Remember there's a rest at the end of the fourth bar"
If you wanted to count it you could say
"we took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill" |
'rest' is countable in those examples?
We took a rest....(read)...We took one rest...(?)
We took 2 rests at the top of the hill. ( ?)
We took 2 rest stops on our way up the hill. (Stop is countable...not rest.)
We took 2 rests on our way up the hill. ( ?)
The music 'rest' is a separate definition; it is countable.
As for the other two...they would need to say...we rested twice.
(converted to a verb followed by the correct adverb of frequency.)
While "We took a rest" is using the indefinite article 'a'...that is not always the same as the countable cardinal prenominal modifier 'one'.
As for rest being countable or uncountable in general...context is key. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
The oxford dictionary is as you would say spot on. It uses the word rest in complete sentences.
My point is this where does it say. Take a rest. It doesn't. I sad it annoys me and you have proven my point over and over by annoying me with it. I hope you are happy. I had to study English in my major and speech as well. Everything from grammar to public speaking.
And personally if you use go take a rest with me. I will knock 100 points off your IQ. it sounds like redneck slang. that was the point of my last post. you didn't have to fix the sentences.
For you it may be perfect. But for me it is childish not even level 1 English. |
I know its spot on, you dont need to tell me that. You also keep ranting on about what you studied, congratulations! Do you also know that I studied English at one of the best schools in England?
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| My point is this where does it say. Take a rest. It doesn't. |
I didnt have to fix any sentence the dictionary says it in black and white, look for yourself.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rest?rskey=eeNlV5&result=1
Scroll down to where it says noun and the first sentence says,
"you look as though you need a rest"
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| And personally if you use go take a rest with me. I will knock 100 points off your IQ. |
I would not use "go take a rest with me" it sounds too North American, but I would happily say "go and take a rest"
I also dont really care what you think of me or my English and actually find it rather amusing that something like this bothers you so much.
Good day to you ! |
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Privateer
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
| I sad it annoys me... |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
| Lonewolf wrote: |
| I sad it annoys me... |
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Oops, My mistake. It should have been. I said it annoys me. Good catch Mr. Peabody. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
The oxford dictionary is as you would say spot on. It uses the word rest in complete sentences.
My point is this where does it say. Take a rest. It doesn't. I said it annoys me and you have proven my point over and over by annoying me with it. I hope you are happy. I had to study English in my major and speech as well. Everything from grammar to public speaking.
And personally if you use. Take a rest with me. I will knock 100 points off your IQ. It sounds like redneck slang. That was the point of my last post. you didn't have to fix the sentences.
For you it may be perfect. But for me it is childish not even level 1 English. |
You were saying something about complete sentences? <<wags brows>>
"Go to sleep," is a complete sentence. How is "Take a rest," not?
Back on topic: "take a rest" seems fine. Before moving here, I'd likely have said "take a break" or "go rest for a bit," but "take a rest" doesn't sound childish. It may be colloquial, but isn't incorrect. |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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ewlandon, I understand completely how you feel about this. As you can see I have about 6 people just nit picking me to death on a subject I don't agree with. You know you people have nothing better to do than be a bunch of keyboard warriors. Who try to find someone willing to stand up for a cause, and try to crush them under their feet. Nice going people. I hope you all feel like a bunch of big shots. At the end of the day you are no better than me. Another native English teacher in South Korea.
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
| ewlandon, I understand completely how you feel about this. As you can see I have about 6 people just nit picking me to death on a subject. I don't agree with. You know you people have nothing better to do than be a bunch of keyboard warriors. Who try to find someone willing to stand up for a cause and try to crush them under their feet. Nice going people. I hope you all feel like a bunch of big shots. At the end of the day you are no better than me. Another native English teacher in South Korea. |
ok...someone has to ask.
Lonewolf...are you intentionally writing in fragments to prove some point?
Take a rest. Is not a fragment. It is a complete. Sentence.
It is. Written in the imperative and the subject, though ellipted. Is implied.
What are written here. Are fragments. And done to prove. A point.
Not a keyboard warrior, but certainly interested to know why you persist in a writing style with such obvious grammar flaws.
After your comment about IQ and grammar skills, the burden seems to be falling on you to defend that which you have been criticizing. |
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