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atwood
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You give yourself away with your example of the traffic lights. Look at how many car accidents and deaths there are in Korea compared to other nations. It's not working very well. What's going on "behind the scenes" there? |
The number of car accidents and deaths in Korea have to do with traffic lights? All this time I thought it was drunken driving and road rage. But, I believe you were already schooled on this one so I'll let it be...silly person. (I don't even want to ask what nation you're comparing Korea with... )
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Is it really that difficult to see and understand that walking on one side of the street makes it easier for everyone? |
Actually quite! When "systems" (to use your word) become cluttered, single file is likely the worst possible answer to moving faster or orderly. If you sat down and really thought about it, you'd realize that if people actually didn't cluster and walk in similar patterns as bees and ants then it would be substantially harder to get to and fro--not vice-versa. Let's see you take that strategy in Myeongdong, Seoul. That would be pretty interesting to say the least. Or, perhaps you sort of walk behind everyone you happen to be following to maintain order? Silly...silly indeed.
Now if you want to stick to the subject--elevator lines--you'd realize that the effect of everyone being courteous and using the right for only standing and the left for only walking doesn't really do much in terms of convenience. Why? It causes backup. The people not wanting to walk up simply cluster in an area that makes it difficult to even get onto the walking side. So regardless, your time and convenience is not necessarily assured even if your sense of etiquette is followed to the letter. Of course, I'm sure that that would lead to your bitching and whining about the size of the platforms in many subways and how they're not big enough for the number of people getting on and off. But bitching and whining is a vicious cycle.
Next you'll be wondering why no one says excuse me to get by...of course not realizing that there's no technical word for the expression although 참시만요 is starting to take off. But still, it would be pretty silly to walk over a human, wouldn't it?
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Many think that human altruism is an evolutionary trait derived from the higher chances of survival that cooperation brings. It makes people safer on the streets just as it makes it easier to arrive at your destination.
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"VOTE YES FOR COMPULSORY ALTRUISM!  IT MAKES PEOPLE SAFER ON THE STREETS JUST AS I MAKES IT EASIER TO ARRIVE AT YOUR DESTINATION!" This campaign was brought to you by the Silly Brotherhood.
Come on. Ever dabbled in a bit of Marx or perhaps Ayn Rand? I'd argue that "many" may agree about the wonderful world of human altruism...but well...a great deal more AROUND THE WORLD simply don't. But I commend you for the interesting attempt at using pathos and evolution together for argumentative. I probably would have crapped out something as convoluted as a "collective intuition" as a means of social protection, before I'd bend to the idea that altruism is evolutionary...you'd sound like a person who couldn't tell the different between Lamarck and Darwin....hmmm...
But, in the real world, not every prosaic banality deserves the attention it gets. Certainly throwing out altruism as support for why people should conform to your ways and desires is about as silly as...keke...you guessed it...(just in case: YOU).
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There's no bright, flashing arrow requiring you to think before you post. |
Ewww....cool...I think Freud called this...projection! 
Question: What escalator is so long that you believe you're life schedule has been thrown off? The longest I've ever seen was Ewha Womans [sic] University, hands down. (Although I'd like to compare the length of the new #9 escalator near Gangnam and Express Bus Terminal. I think the former cheats though since it's technically two escalators) |
You're quite good at twisting what I've posted to create strawmen that even you can knock down! Bravo!
And I admire the lengths that you will go to do so. You must have gone to schools where the teachers used the old fashioned way of grading essays--they'd stand at the top of the stairs and let the essays sail down. Just as long as you wrote enough, no matter how little sense it made, you'd get As.
But I digress. I posted nothing about walking in single file or one's life schedule being thrown off. As for traffic lights, think about it a little more and you may figure out how running reds causes accidents and pedestrian deaths. And if the traffic regulations were obeyed more routinely, there wouldn't be so many silent policemen on the roads, especially in apartment complexes and near schools.
Marx, Ayn Rand, Freud, Lamarck and Darwin--from red herrings to hiding behind some names you once saw in a textbook or on a novel spine. Read Pinker's latest if you want to know about evolution and altruism.
Continue on with your nonsense and personal attacks. Maybe if you write enough, you'll eventually find a logical argument. At this point I'd give you two chances ait--slim and none. |
Not much of a come back smarty pants. Gosh, I was actually thinking you'd show some of that creative thinking...being that you're so not a "lazy thinker." And all you do is come back with pejoratives and attempts at being...well...you (just in case it's still unclear: Silly)
By the way, there may have been personal attacks (unintentional aside from pointing out your silliness), but I'd love to see you point out the nonsense in anything i've written thus far.
Keep arguing you point. I'm curious to know more about why you think Korean people should obey your escalator etiquette.
Don't wimp out on me, gosh. 
1. The total number of deaths and accidents and the correlation of running red lights is extremely low. Also, accidents directly involving running red lights makes up a small percentage of the total accidental injuries and deaths on the streets (I've asked for information at 통계청 and will get to you on the figures).
2. If you're arguing that people walk on either side going in a particular direction, then at some point you're saying they should walk single file. Particularly if you consider the crowds in subways. But like I said, the cluttering caused by your method is pretty much unavoidable; people waiting to get on the standing (right) side will eventually make getting on the left difficult.
3. I went to a rather old school with the ivy and all, so I wouldn't doubt that my profs used rather antediluvian methods.
4. I pick 5 authors, you pick one. I guess if you see Pinker on the same level as the one's I choose...that's...hmm...nevermind....I think you know by now. |
1. Prove it.
2. That's a nice spin move, but you slipped on your own red herring. You've gone from the subway escalators to Myeong-dong and now back again. Also you've created a "method" and falsely attributed it to me. Even so, your logic is flawed. Why do the people on the right have to que in such a way as to be in the way of those on the left?
3. I hope you went on scholarship. Otherwise someone wasted a lot of money.
4. Putting Ayn Rand, a lousy novelist, on the same level as a scientist like Pinker, is more proof of the incoherence of your arguments.
I've left the pejoratives to you. You're the one projecting. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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The first link works for me. I just tried it.
So Korea's not the worst, but that doesn't prove there's not a problem.
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Still not working for me...might be the Firefox browser I'm using.
Oh there's definitely a problem. No disagreement there.
I was just commenting on this statement by you
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| Look at how many car incidents and deaths there are in Korea compared to other nations. It's not working very well. What's going on "behind the scenes" there? |
Seems to me that overall it does slightly better then a couple of other nations both of which are richer nations and who were considered "developed" long before Korea. |
If you're forming your conclusion on just that one chart, maybe, maybe not.
Things have definitely improved from when traffic signals were only at large intersections. Cameras have brought speeds way down as well.
There is a price to be paid for greater safety. Traffic lights here are, in lots of areas, timed to slow people down rather than timed to let someone going the speed limit continue unabated. This, along with other parts of road design here, also contributes to the traffic jams.
But the highway system has improved by leaps and bounds. I can remember going to Borneo years ago and wondering how they could have a better road system than Korea. That's no longer true. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| atwood wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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You give yourself away with your example of the traffic lights. Look at how many car accidents and deaths there are in Korea compared to other nations. It's not working very well. What's going on "behind the scenes" there? |
The number of car accidents and deaths in Korea have to do with traffic lights? All this time I thought it was drunken driving and road rage. But, I believe you were already schooled on this one so I'll let it be...silly person. (I don't even want to ask what nation you're comparing Korea with... )
| atwood wrote: |
Is it really that difficult to see and understand that walking on one side of the street makes it easier for everyone? |
Actually quite! When "systems" (to use your word) become cluttered, single file is likely the worst possible answer to moving faster or orderly. If you sat down and really thought about it, you'd realize that if people actually didn't cluster and walk in similar patterns as bees and ants then it would be substantially harder to get to and fro--not vice-versa. Let's see you take that strategy in Myeongdong, Seoul. That would be pretty interesting to say the least. Or, perhaps you sort of walk behind everyone you happen to be following to maintain order? Silly...silly indeed.
Now if you want to stick to the subject--elevator lines--you'd realize that the effect of everyone being courteous and using the right for only standing and the left for only walking doesn't really do much in terms of convenience. Why? It causes backup. The people not wanting to walk up simply cluster in an area that makes it difficult to even get onto the walking side. So regardless, your time and convenience is not necessarily assured even if your sense of etiquette is followed to the letter. Of course, I'm sure that that would lead to your bitching and whining about the size of the platforms in many subways and how they're not big enough for the number of people getting on and off. But bitching and whining is a vicious cycle.
Next you'll be wondering why no one says excuse me to get by...of course not realizing that there's no technical word for the expression although 참시만요 is starting to take off. But still, it would be pretty silly to walk over a human, wouldn't it?
| atwood wrote: |
Many think that human altruism is an evolutionary trait derived from the higher chances of survival that cooperation brings. It makes people safer on the streets just as it makes it easier to arrive at your destination.
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"VOTE YES FOR COMPULSORY ALTRUISM! IT MAKES PEOPLE SAFER ON THE STREETS JUST AS I MAKES IT EASIER TO ARRIVE AT YOUR DESTINATION!" This campaign was brought to you by the Silly Brotherhood.
Come on. Ever dabbled in a bit of Marx or perhaps Ayn Rand? I'd argue that "many" may agree about the wonderful world of human altruism...but well...a great deal more AROUND THE WORLD simply don't. But I commend you for the interesting attempt at using pathos and evolution together for argumentative. I probably would have crapped out something as convoluted as a "collective intuition" as a means of social protection, before I'd bend to the idea that altruism is evolutionary...you'd sound like a person who couldn't tell the different between Lamarck and Darwin....hmmm...
But, in the real world, not every prosaic banality deserves the attention it gets. Certainly throwing out altruism as support for why people should conform to your ways and desires is about as silly as...keke...you guessed it...(just in case: YOU).
| atwood wrote: |
There's no bright, flashing arrow requiring you to think before you post. |
Ewww....cool...I think Freud called this...projection!
Question: What escalator is so long that you believe you're life schedule has been thrown off? The longest I've ever seen was Ewha Womans [sic] University, hands down. (Although I'd like to compare the length of the new #9 escalator near Gangnam and Express Bus Terminal. I think the former cheats though since it's technically two escalators) |
You're quite good at twisting what I've posted to create strawmen that even you can knock down! Bravo!
And I admire the lengths that you will go to do so. You must have gone to schools where the teachers used the old fashioned way of grading essays--they'd stand at the top of the stairs and let the essays sail down. Just as long as you wrote enough, no matter how little sense it made, you'd get As.
But I digress. I posted nothing about walking in single file or one's life schedule being thrown off. As for traffic lights, think about it a little more and you may figure out how running reds causes accidents and pedestrian deaths. And if the traffic regulations were obeyed more routinely, there wouldn't be so many silent policemen on the roads, especially in apartment complexes and near schools.
Marx, Ayn Rand, Freud, Lamarck and Darwin--from red herrings to hiding behind some names you once saw in a textbook or on a novel spine. Read Pinker's latest if you want to know about evolution and altruism.
Continue on with your nonsense and personal attacks. Maybe if you write enough, you'll eventually find a logical argument. At this point I'd give you two chances ait--slim and none. |
Not much of a come back smarty pants. Gosh, I was actually thinking you'd show some of that creative thinking...being that you're so not a "lazy thinker." And all you do is come back with pejoratives and attempts at being...well...you (just in case it's still unclear: Silly)
By the way, there may have been personal attacks (unintentional aside from pointing out your silliness), but I'd love to see you point out the nonsense in anything i've written thus far.
Keep arguing you point. I'm curious to know more about why you think Korean people should obey your escalator etiquette.
Don't wimp out on me, gosh.
1. The total number of deaths and accidents and the correlation of running red lights is extremely low. Also, accidents directly involving running red lights makes up a small percentage of the total accidental injuries and deaths on the streets (I've asked for information at 통계청 and will get to you on the figures).
2. If you're arguing that people walk on either side going in a particular direction, then at some point you're saying they should walk single file. Particularly if you consider the crowds in subways. But like I said, the cluttering caused by your method is pretty much unavoidable; people waiting to get on the standing (right) side will eventually make getting on the left difficult.
3. I went to a rather old school with the ivy and all, so I wouldn't doubt that my profs used rather antediluvian methods.
4. I pick 5 authors, you pick one. I guess if you see Pinker on the same level as the one's I choose...that's...hmm...nevermind....I think you know by now. |
1. Prove it.
2. That's a nice spin move, but you slipped on your own red herring. You've gone from the subway escalators to Myeong-dong and now back again. Also you've created a "method" and falsely attributed it to me. Even so, your logic is flawed. Why do the people on the right have to que in such a way as to be in the way of those on the left?
3. I hope you went on scholarship. Otherwise someone wasted a lot of money.
4. Putting Ayn Rand, a lousy novelist, on the same level as a scientist like Pinker, is more proof of the incoherence of your arguments.
I've left the pejoratives to you. You're the one projecting. |
1. 통계청
2. "que?" Please let the British bastardize their own language. (I said your ideas wouldn't work in Myeongdong or...in the subway)...as for the other mess...not sure what your gibberish means.
3. Even if I was on scholarship, according to your logic wouldn't someone have still wasted their money. Gosh, try to following your own silliness....
4. So I mention 5 authors & you choose to pick one out of the lot and point fingers.
Silly...silly indeed. I'm almost positive no one wasted any money on your education...you'd have to have one for that...
I just think the six graders for helping you fall in love with the notion of a "red herring." I used to like that word too when I was little.  |
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atwood
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| rchristo10 wrote: |
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You give yourself away with your example of the traffic lights. Look at how many car accidents and deaths there are in Korea compared to other nations. It's not working very well. What's going on "behind the scenes" there? |
The number of car accidents and deaths in Korea have to do with traffic lights? All this time I thought it was drunken driving and road rage. But, I believe you were already schooled on this one so I'll let it be...silly person. (I don't even want to ask what nation you're comparing Korea with... )
| atwood wrote: |
Is it really that difficult to see and understand that walking on one side of the street makes it easier for everyone? |
Actually quite! When "systems" (to use your word) become cluttered, single file is likely the worst possible answer to moving faster or orderly. If you sat down and really thought about it, you'd realize that if people actually didn't cluster and walk in similar patterns as bees and ants then it would be substantially harder to get to and fro--not vice-versa. Let's see you take that strategy in Myeongdong, Seoul. That would be pretty interesting to say the least. Or, perhaps you sort of walk behind everyone you happen to be following to maintain order? Silly...silly indeed.
Now if you want to stick to the subject--elevator lines--you'd realize that the effect of everyone being courteous and using the right for only standing and the left for only walking doesn't really do much in terms of convenience. Why? It causes backup. The people not wanting to walk up simply cluster in an area that makes it difficult to even get onto the walking side. So regardless, your time and convenience is not necessarily assured even if your sense of etiquette is followed to the letter. Of course, I'm sure that that would lead to your bitching and whining about the size of the platforms in many subways and how they're not big enough for the number of people getting on and off. But bitching and whining is a vicious cycle.
Next you'll be wondering why no one says excuse me to get by...of course not realizing that there's no technical word for the expression although 참시만요 is starting to take off. But still, it would be pretty silly to walk over a human, wouldn't it?
| atwood wrote: |
Many think that human altruism is an evolutionary trait derived from the higher chances of survival that cooperation brings. It makes people safer on the streets just as it makes it easier to arrive at your destination.
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"VOTE YES FOR COMPULSORY ALTRUISM! IT MAKES PEOPLE SAFER ON THE STREETS JUST AS I MAKES IT EASIER TO ARRIVE AT YOUR DESTINATION!" This campaign was brought to you by the Silly Brotherhood.
Come on. Ever dabbled in a bit of Marx or perhaps Ayn Rand? I'd argue that "many" may agree about the wonderful world of human altruism...but well...a great deal more AROUND THE WORLD simply don't. But I commend you for the interesting attempt at using pathos and evolution together for argumentative. I probably would have crapped out something as convoluted as a "collective intuition" as a means of social protection, before I'd bend to the idea that altruism is evolutionary...you'd sound like a person who couldn't tell the different between Lamarck and Darwin....hmmm...
But, in the real world, not every prosaic banality deserves the attention it gets. Certainly throwing out altruism as support for why people should conform to your ways and desires is about as silly as...keke...you guessed it...(just in case: YOU).
| atwood wrote: |
There's no bright, flashing arrow requiring you to think before you post. |
Ewww....cool...I think Freud called this...projection!
Question: What escalator is so long that you believe you're life schedule has been thrown off? The longest I've ever seen was Ewha Womans [sic] University, hands down. (Although I'd like to compare the length of the new #9 escalator near Gangnam and Express Bus Terminal. I think the former cheats though since it's technically two escalators) |
You're quite good at twisting what I've posted to create strawmen that even you can knock down! Bravo!
And I admire the lengths that you will go to do so. You must have gone to schools where the teachers used the old fashioned way of grading essays--they'd stand at the top of the stairs and let the essays sail down. Just as long as you wrote enough, no matter how little sense it made, you'd get As.
But I digress. I posted nothing about walking in single file or one's life schedule being thrown off. As for traffic lights, think about it a little more and you may figure out how running reds causes accidents and pedestrian deaths. And if the traffic regulations were obeyed more routinely, there wouldn't be so many silent policemen on the roads, especially in apartment complexes and near schools.
Marx, Ayn Rand, Freud, Lamarck and Darwin--from red herrings to hiding behind some names you once saw in a textbook or on a novel spine. Read Pinker's latest if you want to know about evolution and altruism.
Continue on with your nonsense and personal attacks. Maybe if you write enough, you'll eventually find a logical argument. At this point I'd give you two chances ait--slim and none. |
Not much of a come back smarty pants. Gosh, I was actually thinking you'd show some of that creative thinking...being that you're so not a "lazy thinker." And all you do is come back with pejoratives and attempts at being...well...you (just in case it's still unclear: Silly)
By the way, there may have been personal attacks (unintentional aside from pointing out your silliness), but I'd love to see you point out the nonsense in anything i've written thus far.
Keep arguing you point. I'm curious to know more about why you think Korean people should obey your escalator etiquette.
Don't wimp out on me, gosh.
1. The total number of deaths and accidents and the correlation of running red lights is extremely low. Also, accidents directly involving running red lights makes up a small percentage of the total accidental injuries and deaths on the streets (I've asked for information at 통계청 and will get to you on the figures).
2. If you're arguing that people walk on either side going in a particular direction, then at some point you're saying they should walk single file. Particularly if you consider the crowds in subways. But like I said, the cluttering caused by your method is pretty much unavoidable; people waiting to get on the standing (right) side will eventually make getting on the left difficult.
3. I went to a rather old school with the ivy and all, so I wouldn't doubt that my profs used rather antediluvian methods.
4. I pick 5 authors, you pick one. I guess if you see Pinker on the same level as the one's I choose...that's...hmm...nevermind....I think you know by now. |
1. Prove it.
2. That's a nice spin move, but you slipped on your own red herring. You've gone from the subway escalators to Myeong-dong and now back again. Also you've created a "method" and falsely attributed it to me. Even so, your logic is flawed. Why do the people on the right have to que in such a way as to be in the way of those on the left?
3. I hope you went on scholarship. Otherwise someone wasted a lot of money.
4. Putting Ayn Rand, a lousy novelist, on the same level as a scientist like Pinker, is more proof of the incoherence of your arguments.
I've left the pejoratives to you. You're the one projecting. |
1. 통계청
2. "que?" Please let the British bastardize their own language. (I said your ideas wouldn't work in Myeongdong or...in the subway)...as for the other mess...not sure what your gibberish means.
3. Even if I was on scholarship, according to your logic wouldn't someone have still wasted their money. Gosh, try to following your own silliness....
4. So I mention 5 authors & you choose to pick one out of the lot and point fingers.
Silly...silly indeed. I'm almost positive no one wasted any money on your education...you'd have to have one for that...
I just think the six graders for helping you fall in love with the notion of a "red herring." I used to like that word too when I was little. |
If you can't understand a simple sentence, I'd have to agree that someone somewhere wasted a lot of money on your supposed education.
I notice you've given up even attempting to support your argument and merely continue to post weaker and weaker personal insults. I'd say keep it up, but you're in a downward spiral. |
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The Floating World
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You seem to be doing a good enough job for all of us.  |
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Plume D'ella Plumeria
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Good Lord, these Internet arguments are tiresome.
Just get a room, you two, and clear up some bandwidth, will you?
It got old pages ago ... |
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furtakk
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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seriously...
even if someone's blocking your way, a simple 잠시만요 works 99% of the time. |
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