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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Apply for a temp f-2 in England to travel to Korea. Then when you are here convert that f-2 from a temp one and never worry about E-2 stuff again. |
Indeed.
That would be the best path. Still, and Ttom may correct me here, you will still need to meet the E2 requirements to get a teaching job even if you will not be on an E2 per say. This means a valid degree and so on. |
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dbtm
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: ottawa
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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What you call "dictatorship" ~1 billion+ people in this world call "Family Values" so tone it down the drama.
You should have known what you were getting into when you started dating a Korean girl. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| dbtm wrote: |
What you call "dictatorship" ~1 billion+ people in this world call "Family Values" so tone it down the drama.
You should have known what you were getting into when you started dating a Korean girl. |
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On the negative side we really don't want to return. Her friends tend to be poisonous characters, her family are a glorified dictatorship, and the country is awash with shady employers just ready to take advantage. So if possible and if you are still reading could you please answer the following questions for me..... |
Thats quite the negative side OP!!! Why would you even consider returning? Why would she if her friends are poisonous and her family is a dictatorship????
Seriously, either you are over-dramatizing like the poster above said or you really had it hard and you guys should not return to this hell of a situation.
What makes you think a country that is AWASH with horrible employers looking to rob you, filled with poisonous friends that will corrupt your wife and pollute your family life and under the boot of a family dictatorship that will ruin her existance and yours would be any sort of good place for you....if you were not over dramatizing of course.... |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| shaunew wrote: |
| Apply for a temp f-2 in England to travel to Korea. Then when you are here convert that f-2 from a temp one and never worry about E-2 stuff again. |
Indeed.
That would be the best path. Still, and Ttom may correct me here, you will still need to meet the E2 requirements to get a teaching job even if you will not be on an E2 per say. This means a valid degree and so on. |
Paddy!!! Please keep up with developments in the thread! Why did you not bother reading the OP's post wherein he sets out the requirements for a temp F2. And that he doesn't have the wherewithal to get it. You have to be minded all the time like a bull in a china shop.
Your later malevolent post regarding his motive in returning to a hellhole has also been addressed by the OP, right already in his original post. What's your point in being mischieveous with a youngster finding his way in life?
Per SAY, is it?  And you're the one wondering if he has a degree. He's been in Korea. Doesn't that suggest to you he has had an E2 with all its requirements? |
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stew1988
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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If I were to explain in depth the specific events that happened to me and my wife in Korea then you more than likely would not consider my words to be overdramatized in any sense.
I can assure you, I knew full well what I was getting myself into when dating a Korean girl. The issues with her family are by no means a typically Korean thing and their actions are by no means in the name of family values. In terms of her friends I can of course only relay the things she tells me, seeing as I cannot speak Korean. They consistently send her messages about how she should leave me because I am no good. Many of her apparent friends have now disowned her and of course this bothers her. Being distanced from these characters who believe they have a right to play an active role in our relationship makes it bearable. I'm sure you can understand my concern that in close proximity to this environment, I worry about how this will damage our relationship.
As I said before, I do not want to and my wife does not want to return to Korea. It would merely be a short time thing in which we could accumulate savings and experience in order to build to a better life. I understand that in order to go back I would have to get these bad feelings about Korea out of my head and go there with a fresh and open mind, I am not ignorant and I am not stupid. If my hyperbole bothers you in any way then my apologies. What you call hyperbole I call passion about situations that happened in my life that I couldn't begin to explain on these forums.
I am here to get advice from experienced individuals who are willing to help. I have received that and I thank you guys for lending me a helping hand.
Cheers |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| stew1988 wrote: |
If I were to explain in depth the specific events that happened to me and my wife in Korea then you more than likely would not consider my words to be overdramatized in any sense.
I can assure you, I knew full well what I was getting myself into when dating a Korean girl. The issues with her family are by no means a typically Korean thing and their actions are by no means in the name of family values. In terms of her friends I can of course only relay the things she tells me, seeing as I cannot speak Korean. They consistently send her messages about how she should leave me because I am no good. Many of her apparent friends have now disowned her and of course this bothers her. Being distanced from these characters who believe they have a right to play an active role in our relationship makes it bearable. I'm sure you can understand my concern that in close proximity to this environment, I worry about how this will damage our relationship.
As I said before, I do not want to and my wife does not want to return to Korea. It would merely be a short time thing in which we could accumulate savings and experience in order to build to a better life. I understand that in order to go back I would have to get these bad feelings about Korea out of my head and go there with a fresh and open mind, I am not ignorant and I am not stupid. If my hyperbole bothers you in any way then my apologies. What you call hyperbole I call passion about situations that happened in my life that I couldn't begin to explain on these forums.
I am here to get advice from experienced individuals who are willing to help. I have received that and I thank you guys for lending me a helping hand.
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The hyperbole did not bother me in the least. I found it a bit over the top and was openly wondering why you would subject yourself to such a toxic environment, even if it is to save money!
I hope you two do well with your return to Korea.
On to more practical matters: you can likely get a F2 which will greatly simplify your situation when it comes to employment. Your wife can certainly work as she is Korean. Under such a situation you can save a good chunk of money over a few years. If you two can handle the other side of things (her friends and family) without going mad then its all good!
My question about the degree was not to dispute you had one but rather that my memory of working under a F-visa was that you still need to meet the requirements of whatever visa is issued to do a job. In this case, teaching English would be it and the linked visa would be an E2 or perhaps E1.
As for your midnight run, barring major issues, it has no impact on your plans to return to Korea.
Basic considerations would be to settle down away from her family and friends (well at this point can these people be called her friends anyway?).
With your experience and her being Korean and with a F-visa you can hunt for work locally (once in Korea) and thereby screen employers more effectively so as to avoid the bad ones.
I would also add that you know what you prefer in terms of job (kids, adults, Hakwon, PS) and what job you can hope to get (experience, qualifications and contacts) and that this will save you a lot of time and stress.
In fact, with a Korean spouse, returning to Korea should be pretty smooth sailing as far as getting work and settling in. How you guys do there on a personal basis is a different bag of chips however.
Good luck. |
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stew1988
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers Patrick.
We've been over everything in and out more times that I can remember. It seems as though we will have done a complete circle which in many respects is tough to deal with. That being said, it's about what is best for the long term. Whilst Korea could be a hostile environment for us, I can't imagine it could be any worse than popping out to China and her staying in the house all day.
There were so many things about Korea that I loved, it's just that my memories became contaminated by the bad things that went on. Korea is a good place to live and a good base for us to build, like you say if we can be strong enough to handle her friends and family then we will be OK.
As for the F2 Visa, I'm not sure I have the means of sorting this out prior to being in Korea. I do see how it would make things a lot easier. I'm not sure about going to Korea on an E2 Visa and transferring it to an F2 Visa whilst in the country. I suppose for now I will just go through the recruitment process once again and see if anything promising can come of it. From my time in Korea I discovered that small kindergarten kids are not for me and thus would be searching for work with older students, maybe a little difficult. I've definitely learnt from my mistakes and hopefully we can make a go of things this time around on our terms! |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Are the rules for an F@ the same from inside Korea as from applying from the UK?
I am specifically thinking about the $10,000 you need to have in your bank account.
It would make sense to travel to Korea on a tourist Visa; register the marriage; get the gaurantor certificate and then would that be enough? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Are the rules for an F@ the same from inside Korea as from applying from the UK?
I am specifically thinking about the $10,000 you need to have in your bank account.
It would make sense to travel to Korea on a tourist Visa; register the marriage; get the gaurantor certificate and then would that be enough? |
There is not such 10 000 $ rule to get a F2 visa. You typically get that from your Korean spouse, providing they are a citizen of Korea.
Perhaps the requirements are different if he would be applying for a F2 visa on his own, then he would have to use the points system.
Ttom may have more info on this however. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Are the rules for an F@ the same from inside Korea as from applying from the UK?
I am specifically thinking about the $10,000 you need to have in your bank account.
It would make sense to travel to Korea on a tourist Visa; register the marriage; get the gaurantor certificate and then would that be enough? |
There is not such 10 000 $ rule to get a F2 visa. You typically get that from your Korean spouse, providing they are a citizen of Korea.
Perhaps the requirements are different if he would be applying for a F2 visa on his own, then he would have to use the points system.
Ttom may have more info on this however. |
I can't answer this specifically. I don't, as a matter of routine, have much to do with F2 visas beyond the basics of who qualifies and what their permitted activities under their status of sojourn are.
I cannot give the fine nuances on the F2/4/5 visas in regards to applications from different locations.
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Whilst Korea could be a hostile environment for us, I can't imagine it could be any worse than popping out to China and her staying in the house all day. |
There are something like 2 million ethnic Koreans living in the People's Republic. Most maintain their Korean citizenship. Do you really believe most of them they 'stay in the house all day?'
If you're in a city with a sizeable Korean expat population, there's a good chance your wife could find a job somewhere, especially if she has any kind of technical skill [drawing, writing, drafting, accounting, software development]. If coming back here is the choice, so be it, but there's little benefit in making blanket assumptions about everywhere else. There are other choices to make. |
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Feloria
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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OP-I'm just curious---
Since your "tag" or whatever it's called is stew1988; are you only 23?
If that's the case, then time is on your side!
You could do what you had mentioned before--come out on an E2, suck it up for a year or two, gain experience, and so on.
Your wife could work as well.
You could always look to live on the opposite end of the country from where her family and "friends" live.
Where were you living before?
I also understand what it means to be passionate, and you come off as a passionate guy in many ways.
I wish you the best of luck--
And if 1988 was the year you graduated high school or something else, my mistake 
The same advice holds true no matter how old you are, basically--- |
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stew1988
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| I wish you would take the time to actually read the relevant posts...I am not making blanket assumptions and by no means am I categorizing all Koreans in China to be staying in the house all day...I have stated before that my wife has no degree and I have stated before that she is by no means fluent in English...that being said it would be very difficult for her to find a good job in China...the simple fact is she would be able to improve upon her current skill set in South Korea as opposed to stagnating in her current state of no opportunities in somewhere like China. |
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stew1988
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Feloria. I am indeed 23 and luckily time is on my side, even though in recent times it feels like I have aged 20  We lived in Gunpo city actually (Sanbon area) so I would be looking at getting as far away from there as possible, ie: Busan etc etc. This is by no means an attack upon Gunpo or Sanbon, which under different circumstances I would highly recommend... |
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