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12ax7
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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I'm more inclined to believe that the diet our ancestors ate while evolving and adapting for about 2 million years is the one we should be eating rather than the one we developed less than 10,000 years ago.
The weight of time is on the side of the low-carb argument..........of course, if we keep on eating the modern processed high-carb foods we just might evolve to suit those in a million or so years!
The day our forefathers realized that they could harvest certain seeds and plant them to create more food than they needed may have been the beginnings of modern civilization, but it also kicked off the Age of the Fatty!!
As for studies into Low-carb Vs Low-fat diets.....well, one should never just post ONE study! That's not very representative, is it?
Diet studies are carried out in many different contexts, and by people with varied agendas.
This wiki page surmises over 20 studies and brings up a wide range of results...........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_research_related_to_low-carbohydrate_diets |
Well, yeah. Fruits, vegetables, and nuts should be the staple of any diet. Meat is fine in moderation. It's easier to gather than to hunt, and so it's safe to assume that our ancestors did, logically, more of the former than the latter. That's the kind of diet our are bodies adapted to consume. |
Re: its easier to gather than to hunt
The fruits, nuts, and even vegetables our ancestors ate were nowhere near what we eat today. We've selected the very largest crops from thousands of generations of harvests/fruitings, and so the fruits and nuts we eat today are massive. Certainly, we've selected domesticated animals the same way. But you can get a good sense of what wild game provided back then by looking at wild game today. |
I'm obviously talking about the diet that predates the invention of agriculture and animal husbandry. Digging up a root was far easier (and less dangerous) than taking down a large mammal. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Many of those studies were either poorly done (not adhering to proper procedure) or have caveats like "preliminary" attached to them.
Others support the high carb diet. |
So, the studies come in three flavors A) poorly done B) preliminary C) support the high carb diet.
And according to you, the low-carb studies all fall into the categories of A and B, and the high-carb studies fall into the category C, well, that pretty much adds up to all of them.
Let's put this another way, you claim that 89% of the studies (coincidentally the low-carb ones) posted were poorly done or preliminary.
BUT...magically the three you link are above reproach?
So, yes, I would say when you dismiss ALL the studies that support your opponent's position you are clearly making an implication. And honestly, the fact that you are even arguing over whether 100% or 89% really means "stated all" or "implied all" just proves how pedantic you are. |
Let's check the record indeed.
I never said ALL the low carb diets were poorly done or preliminary.
Nor was it just those three there were others...I just didn't feel like linking them all.
Nor did I dismiss ALL the studies that support my opponent's position.
So we can see that you are reading too much into this and attributing positions to me that I never held.
So to be clear
Not all the low carb diet studies were done poorly
Not all the high carb diet studies are above reproach.
This has been and remains my position. What I was getting at is the most low-carb diets tend to track short-term success...whereas it seems that high-carb diets seem to do better over a longer period of time.
Again this does not apply to ALL low and high carb diets.
Now if you are done derailing the thread with petty personal attacks we can get back on topic. |
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