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PhD programs at Korean Universities
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Hugo85



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aspiringesl wrote:
Thiuda wrote:
aspiringesl wrote:
I'm also interested in earning a PHD, however I speak zero Korean. What PHD programs are there from the top universities in Korea that actually teach in English?


Korean is not a requirement (depending on your field), though obviously it would be helpful. You're not providing us with enough info for us to give you much advice. Give and ye shall receive.


Those Korean uni sites for the top SKY universities have terrible English websites with regard to their masters program, which are all very vague and don't tell me if the classes would be taught in English or not. However, I was thinking of doing a PHD in either English Literature or Political Science, I hear the PHD in Korea is much easier and shorter to do and I just want to be able to work at Uni's in a tenured job as security. I currently have an MA in Applied Linguistics and teaching on contract basis at Uni's, and I'm quite sick of it!


In my department it is much harder than if I had done it at the same place as where I have done my Masters. In many ways. Plus the conditions are worse in terms of office hours and vacations.
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Thiuda



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing a PhD at a Korean uni is not going to be easier than doing it at a western university. While it may be that some programs are less rigorous than at highly ranked western universities, the cultural and linguistic differences create a whole different set of challenges. I've witnessed several foreign grad students at SKY unis drop out because they were frustrated with the cultural differences and because they were unable to keep up with the workload, which includes coursework, research, conf presentations and publishing.

Based on my experiences, I'd say that those that are successful share a common set of traits: they're very autonomous and don't require a lot of supervision, they're typically competetive, yet cooperate well with one another and other students, usually they've lived in Korea for several years, have an established network of friends and colleagues, quite a bit of in-country work experience, know a bit of the language and don't get their knickers in a bunch because things aren't the way they want them to be. Does that sound like you?
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takwndogirl



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am wondering about masters degrees in the sciences: chemistry, biochem, ect. Specifically, are the programs at Yonsei and SNU offered in English/ able to be completed with minimal Korean language skills?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aspiringesl wrote:
I'm also interested in earning a PHD, however I speak zero Korean. What PHD programs are there from the top universities in Korea that actually teach in English?


Don't send privates if it's something that you could as easily share with us all.


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coralreefer_1



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent info to Kimchipizza in PM because this thread is about PhD programs, but KP's question was regarding MA programs, so I did not want to fill the thread with info that was not related to the pursuing a PhD.

I will forward you the message.


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coralreefer_1



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Like you might expect and alluded to, Korean Language was my biggest hurdle. In my case, I had already been in Korea for 2 years doing an associates in Taekwondo and Physical Education, and while I had not studied Korean during that time and my level was probably about the same as your average E2 teacher, I had been in the country long enough to get a good feel for how the language flowed. Upon graduating from that program and having made the decision to stay here longer and just do another BA, I went to study in a full time Korean language program at a university for a full year.

Even though I passed the Korean language test the university gives the students before they can enter regular departments, it was still VERY difficult. The grammar was not much of an issue, but it was just the immense amount of vocabulary words associated with that field of study that was the largest issue for me. That first semester I was literally translating 80% of words in a sentence from my textbooks or handouts~~

However as others mentioned previously, the undergrad level here is pretty lax at most universities, so at least my course studies were not all that strenuous while I was struggling with the language/vocabulary. After the first semester though, and throughout the rest of the following semesters, it was pretty much the same vocabulary and understanding became much easier as time went on and I continued to see the same words over and over.

IN my case, my BA and MA from the US were in economics, so most of the concepts I was studying with a Trade major were not new to me. Other than one course concerning marine insurance, and a few others concerning trade contracts/electronic trade...the rest were made ALOT easier by already having some level of understanding of the theories and general knowledge of the subject.


I am fairly pleased with the program I am in, but I say that because I had already been in Korean universities studying for years beforehand, so I already had a good idea of what to expect in regards to level of education, pushing to do research or projects..etc. I was fortunate to select an adviser who assigns quite a bit of extra work that I feel in many ways is a supplement to what I may not be getting our of regular course lectures/courses. Some universities are obviously better than others, and aside from universities different departments are better than others at any given university, so I think alot of what determines whether or not you may or may not be satisfied depends on what you expect, what you hope to get out of it, and the university and/or department you choose.
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UknowsI



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

takwndogirl wrote:
I am wondering about masters degrees in the sciences: chemistry, biochem, ect. Specifically, are the programs at Yonsei and SNU offered in English/ able to be completed with minimal Korean language skills?

KAIST is an excellent choice if you want a science program conducted in English. You can study there successfully without knowing any Korean. I don't have any experience with chemistry, but KAIST is generally considered as good or better than SNU in engineering/technology, but SNU might be a little better in natural sciences. For a foreign student, other things will be much more important than their ranking difference.
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coralreefer_1



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisM wrote:
aspiringesl wrote:
I'm also interested in earning a PHD, however I speak zero Korean. What PHD programs are there from the top universities in Korea that actually teach in English?


Don't send privates if it's something that you could as easily share with us all.

Please paste it in this thread if possibly.

Edit: Quoted the wrong poster.. Embarassed

I have a question regarding taking a bachelor's at a Korean uni.

They have as a requirement that you should have at least completed Topik 3 or 4. is this really enough to get by at university level?


Now that i have a bit more time, I will answer your question more specifically. Well, rather, I will repeat what I said on page 2.

The TOPIK/KLPT exams, or for that matter almost every Korean study course whether it be at a university, or some other place are not really geared to preparing foreigners for course studies at a Korean university. As you can probably guess, nearly all Korean programs are designed to teach basic social interactions, and at advanced levels more focus on advanced topics like politics, religion, news, and interaction in professional environments.

However even at advanced levels, most would likely still have initial difficulty listening to a lecture in Korean mainly because of the vocabulary associated with the material, and professors who either speak very fast, very low, use alot of dialect..etc. Also it should be pointed out that many textbooks use a good deal of Hanja (typically only in headings or titles) but there were occasions where whole paragraphs in a few books I had were complete hanja with no Korean translation. I even had one professor who for a final exam wrote 6 questions on the board in 100% Chinese. Thankfully for me, some Korean students complained and after some tongue-lashing from him (Hey, didn't you go to elementary schoo,l he teased) he verbally translated...but if my Korean had not been up to snuff to quickly understand his verbal translation and scribble down notes, I would have failed that exam miserably.

When I asked the same question you asked before entering the BA program back in '08 to the head of the international affairs department, he basically told me that of course do the best you can, but pointed out that their grading system works like this: 30% midterm, 30% final, 20% attendance, and 20% assignments. He told me that as long as a student attends every class, do the assignment (98% of the time this was a SINGLE presentation, or either a book report), and score at least 50% on both exams, students can pass with a 70 (which is a low C grade)

Obviously everyone would like to score higher, but the point is that the undergrad system is pretty much geared for "non-failure" Professors don't typically read 200 book reports, s even if its well-known nearly everyone copies/pastes from naver or some other site. Even if you didn't speak Korean at all, it would be pretty difficult to fail unless you missed a few classes that were not excused, did not turn in the ONE assignment, or otherwise completely bombed the mid-term and final.


Now during that time I was at that university, with the exception on one class, all of them only had ONE assignment, which was either to form a group and do a presentation about some subject, or either write a SINGLE report about a given subject.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coralreefer_1 wrote:
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Thanks for an excellent post!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisM wrote:
coralreefer_1 wrote:
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Thanks for an excellent post!

Shouldn't you be able to prepare for that program/course by looking up at least some general terms?

How did you get accepted by the univ? Are the requriements high or did you get a free pass because you are a westerner?

I'm thinking of taking the regular language class most universities in Korea offers to level 4 or higher and then maybe if I feel like it and find a program that suits me I'll apply.

Many universites have a Sport Department and that seems interesting but how do you think that would work out for a foreigner? Like any other program?



As far as preparation, yes. As I mentioned on page 2 of the thread, there are (or at least were) a series of Korean language books specifically for foreign students hoping to pursue academic studies in a university. I bought the one related to business, and worked through that. Honestly, it wasn't all that great of a help, but it did contribute. Otherwise, I began making flashcards of words i thought would be important.

I got accepted by the university like every other foreign student. I dont think I got any special treatment simply for being western, but I may have gotten special consideration because I am foreign, but that would be true for the other hundreds of foreign students admitted to the university at the same time. My application was in order, i passed the TOPIK exam, so there was really no reason not to be accepted unless there were certain quotos that might have led to restrictions.

Sports departments in my opinion would not be much different than any other department. In fact I believe most only require a level 3 TOPIK, while other departments may require a level 4. However many sports departments may require some type of additional test such as a physical fitness test. Also it should be mentioned that the "culture" of sports departments tend to be more conservative as far as relationship between professor and student, and the students themselves.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To All,
I am doing a PhD at a SKY school (English Education).
PM me if you would like some real/personal/relevant info- Best..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
To All,
I am doing a PhD at a SKY school (English Education).
PM me if you would like some real/personal/relevant info- Best..


wish I could PM you, but I dont have 25 posts yet!
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pum1127



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know any part time masters or part time phd programs that are conducted 100% in English?
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molly, are you currently writing your MA thesis? If you plan on continuing for your Ph.D., the most expedient way to get access to funding would be to extend into the doctoral program where you are registered for your MA studies.

If you are going to do your terminal degree in Lit, I would not recommend taking your doctorate in Korea. First and foremost, your career options both here and elsewhere will be limited from the get-go. Short term? You might have a tough time finding classes offered in English to satisfy your requirements.

Still, to answer some questions:

Like in N. American, Ph.D. students here are required to serve a residency requirement, usually one full-time academic year. Both MA and Ph.D. students then have a time frame within which they must graduate. I think it is 8-10 years here depending on the university. It was 8 years for Ph.D. students when I did mine back in the U.S.

Much like in N. America, the most difficult part of the doctoral program is making that all important 'original contribution' in the form of a dissertation. This is where most who will not complete their Ph.D. throw in the towel. Courses and seminars can be passed, but no prof I know will sign off on a Ph.D. dissertation 'just like that'. Most of the work I see is quantitative, though, so it might be tough to draw comparisons with Lit.

I have MA and Ph.D. students and have served on several committees for both Korean and non-Korean students. The last doctoral committee I was on had the student on edge. Said student had to extend for almost an entire academic year to wrap up her work to a satisfactory degree, mainly because of statistical related problems.

For the most part, I only recommend taking a Ph.D. in Korea for those interested in Korean Studies and who can take advantage of the program's full potential by having requisite fluency in Korean. For those wishing to pursue other degrees, N. America or Europe are the places to shop.

My hope is that this will eventually change; I'd love to see more Koreans taking Ph.D.s here and I'd gladly welcome the chance to engage with more non-Korean MA and Ph.D. students.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:


For the most part, I only recommend taking a Ph.D. in Korea for those interested in Korean Studies and who can take advantage of the program's full potential by having requisite fluency in Korean. For those wishing to pursue other degrees, N. America or Europe are the places to shop.

My hope is that this will eventually change; I'd love to see more Koreans taking Ph.D.s here and I'd gladly welcome the chance to engage with more non-Korean MA and Ph.D. students.


What's your opinion on taking your B.A in Korea? Good or Bad?
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