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MS-13: A Transnational Gang Made By and In the USA

 
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Stout



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: MS-13: A Transnational Gang Made By and In the USA Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfinaZR5ims&feature=related

A campaigner against the Salvadorean army's death squad war, Monsignor Romero was shot through the heart while saying Mass, shortly after appealing to the US not to send military aid to El Salvador.

The appeal fell on deaf ears and for the next 12 years, the US became involved in its largest counter-insurgency war against left-wing guerrillas since Vietnam.

No-one was brought to justice and for the next decade, when President Bush's father was heavily involved in Salvador policy, the same police agents would be at the centre of US funded efforts to wipe out left-wing guerrillas.

To defeat the rebels, the US equipped and trained an army which kidnapped more than 30,000 people, and carried out large-scale massacres of thousands of old people women and children.

At the same time an elite US-trained army unit murdered six Jesuit priests, the country's leading intellectuals, in cold blood.

The murders showed that after a decade of US instruction the army still had a lot to learn about human rights and democracy.

The priests were taken out of their house and repeatedly shot through the head with machine guns.

Since the end of the civil war, El Salvador has remained one of the most violent societies in the hemisphere - with a murder rate rivalled only by Colombia.

A new civilian police force has struggled to cope with a crime wave in a country still awash with weapons and plenty of former combatants hardened by a decade of killing.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1891145.stm
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stopped over here to check if there was an NFL playoffs thread (I lurk over in the CE forum with the other malcontents) and I see you're also in the OT forum spreading the anti-US message.

Maybe next you can hit the Travel Forum and put out an advisory against visiting the Great Satan.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff. As i understand it no one really knows who shot the priest but that article is a windup and not interested in the truth. But tell us is their a point to this article??? Nothing in it really points to how the U.s. created a transnational gang. Amazing how the article knows who was U.s. trained. The head of the right wing in El Salvador's brother in law was the head "hit man' for the left wing. Leftest often committed murders and made it look like the right paramilitary and vic versa no one even in El Salvador know who did wha tbut this author cuts through the mysterylike a knife through butter.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stout



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Stout"]
rollo wrote:
Great stuff. As i understand it no one really knows who shot the priest but that article is a windup and not interested in the truth. But tell us is their a point to this article??? Nothing in it really points to how the U.s. created a transnational gang. Amazing how the article knows who was U.s. trained. The head of the right wing in El Salvador's brother in law was the head "hit man' for the left wing. Leftest often committed murders and made it look like the right paramilitary and vic versa no one even in El Salvador know who did wha tbut this author cuts through the mysterylike a knife through butter.
Bull CrAP


That sure would make a lot of sense for a leftist to murder someone advocating their cause...

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Nothing in it really points to how the U.s. created a transnational gang.


You obviously didn't watch the documentary at the link.

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Stopped over here to check if there was an NFL playoffs thread (I lurk over in the CE forum with the other malcontents) and I see you're also in the OT forum spreading the anti-US message.


I would say sweeping things under the rug/flippantly disregarding the deaths of tens of thousands by one's country's policies is to passively go along with things which ultimately end up weakening one's country, not only because it breeds contempt from others/warps the character of one's country, but also because it creates new "unforeseen situations" a la the rise of the MS-13 in the states. One of the points of the doc is that 2 innocent citizens were gunned down by an MS-13 member, who very likely wouldn't have been there with his vengeful attitude if misguided US policies hadn't helped create a hell-on-earth (not an unfamiliar scenario for a number of other countries) in El Salvador.

But I suppose you're not interested in improving your country, and you don't really seem to mind if tens of thousands of other countries' citizens have to die, either...with no benefit to u, as the current US economy and rising cost of living globally will attest to.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point the article shows no connection between the U.s. and M-13. none , all conjecture. Yeah killing priest would be the marxist thing to do but more than that it would turn citizens against the government and that has been a strategy in many leftest movements. Remember the lives of the priests mean nothing in the ongoing fight against the evil multinationals. This article presents no evidence interviews gives no historical depth. It is filled with assumptions. the civil war in El Salvador dates back to the 1860's, tags such as left or right often mean little. Often one group of land barons followers killing another group of land baron followers. in fact on what was written this seems like a classic ploy by the left to turn sentiment against the government. Cuban trained group likely.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Point the article shows no connection between the U.s. and M-13. none , all conjecture. Yeah killing priest would be the marxist thing to do but more than that it would turn citizens against the government and that has been a strategy in many leftest movements. Remember the lives of the priests mean nothing in the ongoing fight against the evil multinationals. This article presents no evidence interviews gives no historical depth. It is filled with assumptions. the civil war in El Salvador dates back to the 1860's, tags such as left or right often mean little. Often one group of land barons followers killing another group of land baron followers. in fact on what was written this seems like a classic ploy by the left to turn sentiment against the government. Cuban trained group likely.


Any credible sources to back your claim up?

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Point the article shows no connection between the U.s. and M-13. none , all conjecture


Again, obviously you've yet to actually view the documentary.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "left" committed a lot of atrocities there also. Romero possibly was shot by one of them. No one knows for sure. Cuba was also heavily involved in El
Salvador, and possibly still is. I like conspiracy theory as much as anybody but when it comes to what is really going on I try to study and analysis things.. Not everything that happens in the world is due to the U.S. The documentary has an agenda, some undergraduate jealous of the U.S. but as fact or accurate not really . you have to show how complex El Salvador was and is. The U.s. made a mess there because they saw everything in a simplistic light. Why the violence in El Salvador i would guess because the crack cocaine epidemic that is ravaging South America and increasing violence all over the continent is playing out there. The U.S. centric Great SAtan stuff is so 2008.
As far as personal attacks about what I do or dont do or how i feel about certain things . Oh well!! The documentary is juvenile inaccurate, second hand, and it does not even give the citizens of El Salvador the dignity of having anything to do with their fate, that it is all in the hands of the U.s. a somewhat racist view and common to the less educated. Good Luck with the crusade.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The documentary has an agenda, some undergraduate jealous of the U.S.


Yep, those juvenile amateurs over at National Geographic, up to their pranks and antics as usual. Guess they must be on some pointless crusade as well, like trying to inform people of some very relevant information regarding the dramatic increase in gang activity, immigration, and the consequences of certain geo-political policies.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M-13 the muscle for the Sinola cartel , perhaps a documentary about mexican foreign policy would be more accurate.
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