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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: People are beginning to talk |
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I remember when abortion/contraception were unthinkable.
(Irish friends of mine)
Gays were pariahs
(Spanish friends of mine)
Marijuana was legally like heroin
(Swiss friends of mine)
but now, whereas the US seemed a spearhead of change, it's behind the times.
Discuss. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: Re: People are beginning to talk |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
but now, whereas the US seemed a spearhead of change, it's behind the times.
Discuss. |
Social conservatism is doomed in the U.S., unless the Republican party makes a hard play for predominantly Catholic Hispanic voters. Just because the 3 stooges (that is, the GOP candidates other than Paul) are talking about the evils of these things doesn't mean the U.S. agrees with that. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: People are beginning to talk |
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| comm wrote: |
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
but now, whereas the US seemed a spearhead of change, it's behind the times.
Discuss. |
Social conservatism is doomed in the U.S., unless the Republican party makes a hard play for predominantly Catholic Hispanic voters. Just because the 3 stooges (that is, the GOP candidates other than Paul) are talking about the evils of these things doesn't mean the U.S. agrees with that. |
I agree with this. If American reactionaries on the far right ever got their way on any of their social issues it would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. The last time they actually got their way on a major social issue was the 1920s with Prohibition. Disaster. It took decades for them to recover some public credibility. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I seem to recall the Republicans being the ones to free the slaves and allowing women to vote... |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: People are beginning to talk |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
but now, whereas the US seemed a spearhead of change, it's behind the times.
Discuss. |
Social conservatism is doomed in the U.S., unless the Republican party makes a hard play for predominantly Catholic Hispanic voters. Just because the 3 stooges (that is, the GOP candidates other than Paul) are talking about the evils of these things doesn't mean the U.S. agrees with that. |
I agree with this. If American reactionaries on the far right ever got their way on any of their social issues it would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. The last time they actually got their way on a major social issue was the 1920s with Prohibition. Disaster. It took decades for them to recover some public credibility. |
Depends on your definition of "disaster". Disaster for the public, yes. But for big government (providing an excuse to set up massive bureaus filled with corrupt regulators and law enforcers selling their power to the highest bidders while feeding from a trough of public money and getting to control peoples' lives), it's a raging success story. Just look at the ongoing War on Drugs.
The guilty parties are ALL those who favor big gov't btw, whether phony "conservatives" or so-called "progressives". |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| I seem to recall the Republicans being the ones to free the slaves and allowing women to vote... |
Both events ocurred long before Nixon decided to sell out the Republican party to Christian nutjobs. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| I seem to recall the Republicans being the ones to free the slaves and allowing women to vote... |
Political parties were only window dressing. Social movements such as the ones above, including the Civil Rights Act, Gay rights, Disabilities Act, Endangered Species Act, Child Labor laws, were the result of liberals, called progressives a century ago. There is a place for both conservatives and liberals. Total control by either has its repurcussions but must be said that it was liberals that were the inpetus of most of theset things. Interestingly enough Nixon signed a couple of those acts into law. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| I seem to recall the Republicans being the ones to free the slaves and allowing women to vote... |
What's your point? It isn't like the Republican Party has been socially conservative for its entire existence (just like the Democratic Party hasn't been socially liberal during its entire history either).
And women gained the right to vote when Woodrow Wilson was President... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| And women gained the right to vote when Woodrow Wilson was President... |
Nationally. Women gained suffrage sporadically on the State level and for different elections before the 19th Amendment.
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| On the whole, western states and territories were more favorable to women's suffrage than eastern ones (see map). It has been suggested that western areas, faced with a shortage of women on the frontier, "sweetened the deal" in order to make themselves more attractive to women so as to encourage female immigration or that they gave the vote as a reward to those women already there. |
The 18th Amendment was the only Amendment passed by the State delegation process.
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The following states ratified the 18th amendment:
1.Mississippi (January 7, 1918)
2.Virginia (January 11, 1918)
3.Kentucky (January 14, 1918)
4.North Dakota (January 25, 1918)[note 1]
5.South Carolina (January 29, 1918)
6.Maryland (February 13, 1918)
7.Montana (February 19, 1918)
8.Texas (March 4, 1918)
9.Delaware (March 18, 1918)
10.South Dakota (March 20, 1918)
11.Massachusetts (April 2, 1918)
12.Arizona (May 24, 1918)
13.Georgia (June 26, 1918)
14.Louisiana (August 3, 1918)[note 2]
15.Florida (November 27, 1918)
16.Michigan (January 2, 1919)
17.Ohio (January 7, 1919)
18.Oklahoma (January 7, 1919)
19.Idaho (January 8, 1919)
20.Maine (January 8, 1919)
21.West Virginia (January 9, 1919)
22.California (January 13, 1919)
23.Tennessee (January 13, 1919)
24.Washington (January 13, 1919)
25.Arkansas (January 14, 1919)
26.Illinois (January 14, 1919)
27.Indiana (January 14, 1919)
28.Kansas (January 14, 1919)
29.Alabama (January 15, 1919)
30.Colorado (January 15, 1919)
31.Iowa (January 15, 1919)
32.New Hampshire (January 15, 1919)
33.Oregon (January 15, 1919)
34.North Carolina (January 16, 1919)
35.Utah (January 16, 1919)
36.Nebraska (January 16, 1919)
37.Missouri (January 16, 1919)
38.Wyoming (January 16, 1919)
39.Minnesota (January 17, 1919)
40.Wisconsin (January 17, 1919)
41.New Mexico (January 20, 1919)
42.Nevada (January 21, 1919)
43.New York (January 29, 1919)
44.Vermont (January 29, 1919)
45.Pennsylvania (February 25, 1919)
46.New Jersey (March 9, 1922) |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
The 18th Amendment was the only Amendment passed by the State delegation process.
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Every amendment to the US Constitution has been and must be passed by 3/4 of the States in order to be ratified and become part of the Constitution.
The 18th Amendment (Prohibition) was the only one to ever be totally repealed. |
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