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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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Can not understand this thinking. Are you really that sensitive? |
Sure. If you insult the people I love, I'll probably react with even more force too. |
 Hope that you don't consider it an insult when I say that you lack self control. |
Actually, if he knows in advance that he will assault someone for insulting those he loves...he does not lack self-control...he is exercising his will to power. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| In every thread we can see what the law is and what steelrails opinion of what he thinks the law should be. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
Can not understand this thinking. Are you really that sensitive? |
Sure. If you insult the people I love, I'll probably react with even more force too. |
Hope that you don't consider it an insult when I say that you lack self control. |
Actually, if he knows in advance that he will assault someone for insulting those he loves...he does not lack self-control...he is exercising his will to power. |
Or it could just be a self knowledge of his own lack of self control. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| In every thread we can see what the law is and what steelrails opinion of what he thinks the law should be. |
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As opposed to you guys who are strict interpreters? Oh and by the way the law leaned to my side in this instance, meaning I'm closer to "is" than you are.
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| But really it is amazing how in the old days men would voluntarily duel to the death over perceived affronts to their dignity (or else concede the point in shame). Not saying it was an altogether great way to handle things, but it does kinda seem refreshing compared to a lot of the sniveling, self-righteous, passive-aggressive wimps we've got around today. |
Exactly. People would understand that there would be potential consequences for running one's mouth. If they ran their mouth and then cowered when challenged, they would be ridiculed and mocked. No one would give them any sympathy.
That's the big thing that really gets me- People who run their mouths or mock others and then cower and whine and cry like babies when someone stands up to them.
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| Hope that you don't consider it an insult when I say that you lack self control. |
For all of you non-fighters, have you ever been in a situation in which you've had to fight? Where showing weakness could result in severe consequences?
There are situations where even if you don't want to fight after being insulted, you have to because the result will be that you will become prey. You can't run to mommy or the cops.
Sometimes fights in response to insult are a result of complete control and are done in a broader context. You aren't losing control, you're just establishing that the other person will not be allowed to reign superior you. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails, we know you'd prefer duels to going to court to settle matters but that isn't the law anymore. Why can't you just accept it and move on? A lot of what we talk about on this forum are grey areas but the law is pretty black and white. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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For all of you non-fighters, have you ever been in a situation in which you've had to fight? Where showing weakness could result in severe consequences?
There are situations where even if you don't want to fight after being insulted, you have to because the result will be that you will become prey. You can't run to mommy or the cops.
Sometimes fights in response to insult are a result of complete control and are done in a broader context. You aren't losing control, you're just establishing that the other person will not be allowed to reign superior you. |
It's pretty easy to avoid those situations though. I think the last time I was in a situation like that it was probably middle school. You and Fermentation must hang out at all the wrong places, or need some better friends or something.
If there person manipulates you into assaulting them, and then you are placed in jail, you really showed them your superiority. Might I suggest ignoring them, laughing at them or coming up with some killer come back? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| For all of you non-fighters, have you ever been in a situation in which you've had to fight? Where showing weakness could result in severe consequences? |
Where picking up a bar of soap ended up being the worst thing you ever did?
But I see steelrails point - being a bitch will get you nowhere good. This applies to altercations and to life in general.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQKtl3MGCE |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:04 am Post subject: |
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For all of you non-fighters, have you ever been in a situation in which you've had to fight? Where showing weakness could result in severe consequences?
There are situations where even if you don't want to fight after being insulted, you have to because the result will be that you will become prey. You can't run to mommy or the cops.
Sometimes fights in response to insult are a result of complete control and are done in a broader context. You aren't losing control, you're just establishing that the other person will not be allowed to reign superior you. |
It's pretty easy to avoid those situations though. I think the last time I was in a situation like that it was probably middle school. You and Fermentation must hang out at all the wrong places, or need some better friends or something.
If there person manipulates you into assaulting them, and then you are placed in jail, you really showed them your superiority. Might I suggest ignoring them, laughing at them or coming up with some killer come back? |
Yeah, in some situations that's all you need. In others....
How do you avoid the situation if its on a sports team and you are in a leadership role? Quit the team? Don't be the team leader? Show weakness? What if you're part of a "macho" work environment or in the Armed Forces? What if its in your neighborhood? You can't run away from those situations and you don't get to pick and choose who is sharing that space with you.
There are people out there who will take your killer comeback and smash your face and if you go to the cops you loose all respect of everyone else.
Seriously, what you say sounds great in theory, but for those of us who've had to deal with the less than ideal side of humanity it just doesn't work in practice. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQKtl3MGCE |
Haven't seen that in years... Classic. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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For all of you non-fighters, have you ever been in a situation in which you've had to fight? Where showing weakness could result in severe consequences?
There are situations where even if you don't want to fight after being insulted, you have to because the result will be that you will become prey. You can't run to mommy or the cops.
Sometimes fights in response to insult are a result of complete control and are done in a broader context. You aren't losing control, you're just establishing that the other person will not be allowed to reign superior you. |
It's pretty easy to avoid those situations though. I think the last time I was in a situation like that it was probably middle school. You and Fermentation must hang out at all the wrong places, or need some better friends or something.
If there person manipulates you into assaulting them, and then you are placed in jail, you really showed them your superiority. Might I suggest ignoring them, laughing at them or coming up with some killer come back? |
Yeah, in some situations that's all you need. In others....
How do you avoid the situation if its on a sports team and you are in a leadership role? Quit the team? Don't be the team leader? Show weakness? What if you're part of a "macho" work environment or in the Armed Forces? What if its in your neighborhood? You can't run away from those situations and you don't get to pick and choose who is sharing that space with you.
There are people out there who will take your killer comeback and smash your face and if you go to the cops you loose all respect of everyone else.
Seriously, what you say sounds great in theory, but for those of us who've had to deal with the less than ideal side of humanity it just doesn't work in practice. |
Again, you must be doing something wrong. I haven't faced these situations, and I think that's pretty normal. Beating up other people if your a leader on a sports team is dumb and obviously bad for teamwork, benching someone or kicking them off the team is the obvious right answer there. You do that in the armed forces and your liable to be up for court martial, and few if any jobs will keep some one on if they are fighting their co-workers. Neighborhood, again go to the police. You don't know if your neighbor who just insulted you has a gun or whatever. If someone smashes your face, than yeah use self defense.
Steel rails, as far as I know you are an ESL teacher in Korea. If I'm wrong let me know, but I doubt that you are in any of those situations. Sure if your slinging crack than the rules are different, but for most people what you are advocating is dumb and liable to make the situation worse. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hope that you don't consider it an insult when I say that you lack self control. |
I'd say that ain't much of an insult.
I can't speak for Steelrails but I'm not advocating people punch eachother out for the slightest of slights. I believe there are certain lines you shouldn't cross and personally, that line goes pretty far for me. I have never lashed out in violence as an adult because I also believe in trying to avoid confrontation and not hanging out with people who piss me off. But unfortunately in this world not everybody is nice and some people are expert douchebags.
What would you do if someone calls you or your friend racial slurs, or threatens your loved ones? What if some dude harasses or hits on your girlfriend/wife despite repeated warnings to back off? If you're a man, at the very least you should give them a warning. If you're peaceful enough to not even care, then good for you. You're the Dalai Lama compared to me. But if you're the type to go around running your mouth, it shouldn't come as a surprise if at some point someone is "sensitive" enough to kick your ass.
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| That's the big thing that really gets me- People who run their mouths or mock others and then cower and whine and cry like babies when someone stands up to them. |
One of the reasons I haven't gotten in a fight as an adult is that everytime I have stood up to one of these people is that they back down almost everytime. Pathetic. People who instigate are rarely the ones to finish what they started. Unless they outnumber or have a big size advantage (are extremely confident of their chances of winning a fight) on their victim. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I have never lashed out in violence as an adult because I also believe in trying to avoid confrontation and not hanging out with people who piss me off. |
I realize this is the internet that is fully populated by supermen/ladies/douches, but could your attitude be a result of the fact that you don't know how to throw a punch or that you don't have the stare that says you are ready to throw down if need be?
Just a look from me generally makes the shitheads (here in Boston, but also around the world) think twice.
I should teach a class on this as I think it could help many. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a look from me generally makes the shitheads (here in Boston, but also around the world) think twice. |
Yeah, having a "don't screw with me" face is certainly a good life skill 
For me, pretty much the only time I would hit a guy is if he were being an abusive drunk (ie. getting in my face, or harassing my girlfriend etc.). Beyond that, I'm quite non-confrontational in real life and couldn't be bothered to get physical with somebody over mere words. Mostly because there's not much anyone could say that would really offend me (sticks and stones). I can understand why some people might feel otherwise though. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hope that you don't consider it an insult when I say that you lack self control. |
I'd say that ain't much of an insult.
I can't speak for Steelrails but I'm not advocating people punch eachother out for the slightest of slights. I believe there are certain lines you shouldn't cross and personally, that line goes pretty far for me. I have never lashed out in violence as an adult because I also believe in trying to avoid confrontation and not hanging out with people who piss me off. But unfortunately in this world not everybody is nice and some people are expert douchebags.
What would you do if someone calls you or your friend racial slurs, or threatens your loved ones? What if some dude harasses or hits on your girlfriend/wife despite repeated warnings to back off? If you're a man, at the very least you should give them a warning. If you're peaceful enough to not even care, then good for you. You're the Dalai Lama compared to me. But if you're the type to go around running your mouth, it shouldn't come as a surprise if at some point someone is "sensitive" enough to kick your ass.
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| That's the big thing that really gets me- People who run their mouths or mock others and then cower and whine and cry like babies when someone stands up to them. |
One of the reasons I haven't gotten in a fight as an adult is that everytime I have stood up to one of these people is that they back down almost everytime. Pathetic. People who instigate are rarely the ones to finish what they started. Unless they outnumber or have a big size advantage (are extremely confident of their chances of winning a fight) on their victim. |
Well, harassment and legitimates threats are one thing and insults are another. If someone ever laid hands on me, that's were I personally draw the line. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, you must be doing something wrong. I haven't faced these situations, and I think that's pretty normal. |
Well until you do face those situations, maybe not be so preachy?
I do agree with you though that as an English Teacher in Korea, getting into fights here is pretty ridiculous and seriously calls into question what one is doing, but not every situation is 'ESL Teacher in Korea.'
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| Beating up other people if your a leader on a sports team is dumb and obviously bad for teamwork, benching someone or kicking them off the team is the obvious right answer there. |
Never have played hockey have you? Or any serious organize team contact sport I take it. You don't bench or kick off a talented player just because he runs his mouth during practice or game time.
And you have to show "fight". If you don't show fight, you don't have near the respect. Fights bring a team together. I take it since you don't understand how, you've never been there and don't really know.
Sure let your play do the talking, but there are times when someone on the other team is just running their mouth or a teammate just becomes a cancer and you have to stand and fight.
So you'd be the guy that would sit on the bench while the rest of your teammates run onto the field and brawl? If someone talked a bunch of smack to your team's bench you wouldn't get in their face and maybe give em a shove?
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| Neighborhood, again go to the police |
Hello police, this guy just teased me.
What are they going to do? Respond in two hours? And yeah, running to the cops for something like that will work out well. Totally don't see any retaliation for that.
Leon, you're seriously drifting off into naive territory and coming across as someone who hasn't had to live in that world where you have to fight and the law isn't there to give a crap, nor do the people talking smack give a crap about the law. Everything you say is true for normal safe, middle-class society. |
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