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Learning Korean - a good career move?
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Play_Doh



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning Korean - a good career move?

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Shincheon_Blues



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
What is tsi/sci clearance?


It is a Top Secret clearance with access to Specialized Compartmentalized Intelligence. In a nutshell, you you have access only to what you need to know.
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why wouldn't most esl teachers be granted that clearance then?
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
There are no opportunites for the hangukmal blabbering waygook. Why? because there are so many more koreans whov'e been to the U.S., and speak fluent English. They fill the positions. At least Koreans know that they will always be on their side.
There are no opportunities in Korea, other than being dong-chimmed daily in a hagwon.


I believe those of us who don't work in a hagwon would disagree with you.
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
rapier wrote:
There are no opportunites for the hangukmal blabbering waygook. Why? because there are so many more koreans whov'e been to the U.S., and speak fluent English. They fill the positions. At least Koreans know that they will always be on their side.
There are no opportunities in Korea, other than being dong-chimmed daily in a hagwon.


I believe those of us who don't work in a hagwon would disagree with you.


totally. Korean is valuable all over the world. Look at the Chaebols they have strongholds in most regions. And there are also other organisations that trade heavily with Korea. What makes you think a Korean that has spent most of their life in the States, and speaks less Korean than myself would be more valuable to these companies?
Speaking fleunt Korean lands you so many more opportunites.
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royjones



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how could gaining knowledge (Korean language) ever be a bad thing?
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

royjones wrote:
how could gaining knowledge (Korean language) ever be a bad thing?


Exactly.

That said, unless one is going to put in the extraordinary effort to become a professional interpreter, being a fluent speaker of Korean is only likely to offer value in conjunction with the utilization of one's primary skill, whether it's banking, medicine, law, teaching, whatever.
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Universalis



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it to be pretty worthless locally.

At the peak of my Korean language studying I took the Korean government's official Korean language aptitude test and qualified as level 3 out of 6. I prodly placed this on my resumes and applications back when I was looking for side jobs doing editing and proofreading. For the interviews I did get, not a single interviewer asked me about it. One guy was even suprised when I did show up for the interview and was able to speak some Korean.

They care about one thing: are you a native English speaker?

Katydid mentioned her friend the blogger (the Marmot, I assume) and used him as an example of a foreigner getting paid due to his language skills. Sure, he's doing it, and so is Oranckay, but how many papers and publishing houses are there in Korea willing to pay the cash to put a forigner on the payroll? As others have mentioned, Korean-Americans are a much better fit in the Korean office, and would quite possibly work for less money (maybe... I'm just guessing). The Donga Ilbo is one of the big papers in Korea and they still pay to have their work translated poorly by local Koreans.

It's like the inner-city kids who bet their entire life on being a sports star... it's a very risky chance you're taking if you dive into Korean studies in hopes of landing a good job as a result. I just don't think there are enough positions out there.

The Marmot did it the right way... study Korean as a personal or academic interest, and then, if you're lucky, a job will find you.

Brian
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are whoever other jobs besides proof reading and interpretting where it is important. I ran into a friend yesterday and he told me he is in a marketing role at a Korean firm, even though his background is in engineering. The Korean skills is what landed him the job
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit I got my job because I am a native speaker of English, but I could not do my job without speaking Korean. Also, someone who is not a native speaker of English could not do my job. So, I am an example of a native English speaker who gain advancement by learning some Korean and cannot be replaced by a Korean who speaks English.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not withstanding Osangrl and Rapier,

Learning Korean can be useful here and outside of Korea.
However, you have to apply this skill to a proper fields of work.

Just to name a few, by lerning Korean you could:

While here:

Do consulting for companies wishing to come to Korea or for companies wishing to do business in a western country (I do this).

Work for a Korean company in a number of jobs.

Work for your government here at an Embassy or consulate.

Run your own import-export business more effectively.

At home:

Work for the government of your home country in the Foreign Affairs section.

Get a further graduate degree and teach at an East-Asian department in a University.

Work for Korean companies wishing to do business in your country.

Translation (requires more studies).

There are many more possibilities out there....so learning Korean (or another language) can be quite beneficial.
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OiGirl



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
why wouldn't most esl teachers be granted that clearance then?

Got any DUI arrests?
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Eazy_E



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Homer... if I were going to choose another international language to study, it wouldn't be Korean. It's spoken in only one country (okay, two: North and South K.) where almost everyone is in the process of learning another language, namely English.

Now before anyone goes accusing me of being just another thick-headed English imperialist, I studied French for many years at high school and university despite living on the West Coast of Canada where almost nobody speaks it. Why? I enjoyed it and I thought that French would be an asset to me since it's the other official language as well as a major language internationally.

I also study Korean because I feel that it's natural to learn the language of the country in which one is living. I'm still a beginner, but I know a lot more than most expats who have been here for less than one year.

Everyone who is living here should at least make an effort to learn some of it, but don't do it purely as a career move.
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eazy_E wrote:
Sorry Homer... if I were going to choose another international language to study, it wouldn't be Korean. It's spoken in only one country (okay, two: North and South K.) where almost everyone is in the process of learning another language, namely English.

Now before anyone goes accusing me of being just another thick-headed English imperialist, I studied French for many years at high school and university despite living on the West Coast of Canada where almost nobody speaks it. Why? I enjoyed it and I thought that French would be an asset to me since it's the other official language as well as a major language internationally.

I also study Korean because I feel that it's natural to learn the language of the country in which one is living. I'm still a beginner, but I know a lot more than most expats who have been here for less than one year.

Everyone who is living here should at least make an effort to learn some of it, but don't do it purely as a career move.


by that mentality Chinese is only spoken in one country... why learn it?? For me Korea is a big market, plus coming from Australia... where Korea is our third(?) largest trade partner. It proves alot more worthwhile than learning something more widely spoken than spanish.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy E,

Thats beside the point.

I did not talk about Korean vs another language.
Italked about the possible applications of Korean in your career.

Wether you prefer to learn another language is up to you and is not any better or worse.

However, as Komtengi said, you have too look at the bigger picture.

Learning Korean for your career is a good move if you gear your career choices to take advantage of the new skill.

Learning another language (any language) will only benefit you profesionaly if you then apply this skill in the proper fields of work.
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