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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| mike in brasil wrote: |
for me one of the best things about sex is the moaning.
korean women win hands down! |
Well, stereotypes are often true in these parts, and a lot depends on who came before you.  |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
well I'll probably start a flame war if I say this - but there are a heck of a lot of very troubled - some deeply so - Western men who find themselves in Korea.
that's not to say all are like that, but a huge percentage are. everything from drugs to alcohol, in denial about homosexuality (way too many of those!), all kinds of female issues which they deal with by dating Korean females who have limited English speaking abilities 
all that being said, you'd be surprised how many talented, educated and interesting non-Western (and not necessarily Korean) men there actually are in S. Korea. Russians, Africans, Indians, even other East Asians - and many are single, professional and as mentioned, very interesting for different reasons, and actually respect Western women - unlike way too many of our male counterparts.
I'd suggest attending arts events, gallery shows, film festivals, any other kind of activities that interest you and be ready to have a good time (in more ways than one)  |
Wow. I'm a Western male who has been here for five years and am not any of those things. You just sound bitter that most Western guys passed you up in lieu of the locals.
Anyway, I will say that it is hard to date Western guys because Koreans are more exciting to them and don't seem to have as many hangups.
I dated plenty of Western girls back home and there are two things that are easier to avoid here. The first is that Canadian/American girls need so much space that it never really feels like a relationship (and I quote): "I already saw you last weekend! Why do we need to hang out again? I'm an independent womyn!" I'm not clingy or anything but I've always seen that problem with dating back home. I never felt like I could relax around Western girls because they are so afraid of commitment and will only enjoy a relationship insofar as it's fun. The second sacrifices need to be made, being inherently selfish, they turn tail and run (maybe this rings true for guys too? I haven't dated any so I don't know).
Then there's the "I wanna go dannnncccciiiinngggg! Let's go to a club! It's Friday and I need to get my drunk on and shake my 'badonkadonk'" etc. attitude. I hate it more than anything in the world. I literally despise these people yet they make up about 90% of my generation. Yes, Eastern girls can be the same way but not NEARLY as badly and I don't see overweight Korean girls walking around taking glamour shots of themselves groping each other for hours in some dingy hole.
So yeah, say what you will about "Western men." I think I'm just sick of Western attitudes in general. Maybe if I was born in Korea, I'd feel the same way about Korean culture vis-a-vis my own culture but I wasn't born here. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
| mike in brasil wrote: |
for me one of the best things about sex is the moaning.
korean women win hands down! |
Well, stereotypes are often true in these parts, and a lot depends on who came before you. |
Well..hopefully she came before you. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
well I'll probably start a flame war if I say this - but there are a heck of a lot of very troubled - some deeply so - Western men who find themselves in Korea.
that's not to say all are like that, but a huge percentage are. everything from drugs to alcohol, in denial about homosexuality (way too many of those!), all kinds of female issues which they deal with by dating Korean females who have limited English speaking abilities
all that being said, you'd be surprised how many talented, educated and interesting non-Western (and not necessarily Korean) men there actually are in S. Korea. Russians, Africans, Indians, even other East Asians - and many are single, professional and as mentioned, very interesting for different reasons, and actually respect Western women - unlike way too many of our male counterparts.
I'd suggest attending arts events, gallery shows, film festivals, any other kind of activities that interest you and be ready to have a good time (in more ways than one) |
True. I date Korean women but I also date western women and find there are a lot of attractive, cool western chicks as well.
Korea attracts a different type of guy. Sometimes its the coo, ecletic type that people found interesting or cool back home but too often its the weirdos or social misfits back home and they are angry at western women for not dating them and date the Korean women because a) they don't know any better that the guy they are with is a loser back home or b) they have this latent anger against the western women in Korea mainly because these are some of the same women who rejected them back home.
Yes, there are more than our share of 'fugly' western women in Korea but I would suggest that many of the women guys complain about they would pee themselves happy if these same women were willing to date them back home.
I have noticed that the bad economy has improved some of the types of guys that have come. Guys who didn't feel the need to come to Korea because they are well adjusted and happy at home considered coming and have come due to the bad economy. Losers and weirdos will always come. Same with the women. A lot of hotter women have been showing up.  |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
Wow. I'm a Western male who has been here for five years and am not any of those things. You just sound bitter that most Western guys passed you up in lieu of the locals.
Anyway, I will say that it is hard to date Western guys because Koreans are more exciting to them and don't seem to have as many hangups.
I dated plenty of Western girls back home and there are two things that are easier to avoid here. The first is that Canadian/American girls need so much space that it never really feels like a relationship (and I quote): "I already saw you last weekend! Why do we need to hang out again? I'm an independent womyn!" I'm not clingy or anything but I've always seen that problem with dating back home. I never felt like I could relax around Western girls because they are so afraid of commitment and will only enjoy a relationship insofar as it's fun. The second sacrifices need to be made, being inherently selfish, they turn tail and run (maybe this rings true for guys too? I haven't dated any so I don't know).
Then there's the "I wanna go dannnncccciiiinngggg! Let's go to a club! It's Friday and I need to get my drunk on and shake my 'badonkadonk'" etc. attitude. I hate it more than anything in the world. I literally despise these people yet they make up about 90% of my generation. Yes, Eastern girls can be the same way but not NEARLY as badly and I don't see overweight Korean girls walking around taking glamour shots of themselves groping each other for hours in some dingy hole.
So yeah, say what you will about "Western men." I think I'm just sick of Western attitudes in general. Maybe if I was born in Korea, I'd feel the same way about Korean culture vis-a-vis my own culture but I wasn't born here. |
While I heartily agree that the Korean women have far more femininity and a certain wholesome, cute way about them. I like Korean women and have dated plenty. This country is pretty homogeneous and the one big thing I see is that the women are the same. I can be confused for a mind reader because I know pretty much exactly what she'll ask and I know pretty much exactly what just about ever Korean girl will respond when I ask certain questions.
Furthermore, the lack of much knowledge outside Korea. They don't know or care about world affairs, etc. There is not much to talk about frankly. Western women are far, far more varied in thought and opinion. Also, you have vastly different types of western women: north American, British, South African and the occasial Irish, Kiwi or Aussie.
English teaching in Korea is transitory. I've found western women less willing for serious relationships or more for a temporary one till their contracts run out. Its understandable. They have goals, etc. just like me and these are often incompatible with mine. Once in a while I've seen some true love stories but the temporary conditions we work here make it unlikely.
Korean girls were/are a nice alternative from what I usually dated back home but better? Hmm....we all have our own criteria but I like some intellectual curiosity, knowledge of global affairs and a traveled person some times and the locals don't offer that. Some great times and girls, don't get me wrong but western girls have their advantages. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
Wow. I'm a Western male who has been here for five years and am not any of those things. You just sound bitter that most Western guys passed you up in lieu of the locals.
Anyway, I will say that it is hard to date Western guys because Koreans are more exciting to them and don't seem to have as many hangups.
I dated plenty of Western girls back home and there are two things that are easier to avoid here. The first is that Canadian/American girls need so much space that it never really feels like a relationship (and I quote): "I already saw you last weekend! Why do we need to hang out again? I'm an independent womyn!" I'm not clingy or anything but I've always seen that problem with dating back home. I never felt like I could relax around Western girls because they are so afraid of commitment and will only enjoy a relationship insofar as it's fun. The second sacrifices need to be made, being inherently selfish, they turn tail and run (maybe this rings true for guys too? I haven't dated any so I don't know).
Then there's the "I wanna go dannnncccciiiinngggg! Let's go to a club! It's Friday and I need to get my drunk on and shake my 'badonkadonk'" etc. attitude. I hate it more than anything in the world. I literally despise these people yet they make up about 90% of my generation. Yes, Eastern girls can be the same way but not NEARLY as badly and I don't see overweight Korean girls walking around taking glamour shots of themselves groping each other for hours in some dingy hole.
So yeah, say what you will about "Western men." I think I'm just sick of Western attitudes in general. Maybe if I was born in Korea, I'd feel the same way about Korean culture vis-a-vis my own culture but I wasn't born here. |
While I heartily agree that the Korean women have far more femininity and a certain wholesome, cute way about them. I like Korean women and have dated plenty. This country is pretty homogeneous and the one big thing I see is that the women are the same. I can be confused for a mind reader because I know pretty much exactly what she'll ask and I know pretty much exactly what just about ever Korean girl will respond when I ask certain questions.
Furthermore, the lack of much knowledge outside Korea. They don't know or care about world affairs, etc. There is not much to talk about frankly. Western women are far, far more varied in thought and opinion. Also, you have vastly different types of western women: north American, British, South African and the occasial Irish, Kiwi or Aussie.
English teaching in Korea is transitory. I've found western women less willing for serious relationships or more for a temporary one till their contracts run out. Its understandable. They have goals, etc. just like me and these are often incompatible with mine. Once in a while I've seen some true love stories but the temporary conditions we work here make it unlikely.
Korean girls were/are a nice alternative from what I usually dated back home but better? Hmm....we all have our own criteria but I like some intellectual curiosity, knowledge of global affairs and a traveled person some times and the locals don't offer that. Some great times and girls, don't get me wrong but western girls have their advantages. |
I agree with you as well. If someone is going to date a Korean girl, try to date one that has traveled, can speak English well, and doesn't act in the typical cutesy Korean girl way all the time.
My girlfriend has been to Europe, we traveled to America together, and she speaks English and is learning French. I'm glad I can talk about intellectual things with her and be silly too. Actually there shouldn't be a broad brush with either western women or korean women. Look hard fellas! |
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Ibsen
Joined: 09 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
quite sane, actually; physically fit, hetero, considered very attractive and have had (and continue to have) great relationships with men from a variety of nationalities (even before going overseas) (don't kiss and tell so that's all I'll say about that)
anyway, cheers
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Ding ding ding...we got ourselves a hottie!!!
Not just attractive...but very attractive...and a promiscuous one too...bless her soul.
With the assured discretion of 'don't kiss and tell'...hoooweee...she's got game this one.
All you trolls badgering LuckyLady...don't you know how hard it is to be a beautiful intelligent woman???
(well...she probably doesn't either, but regardless)
LEAVE LUCKYLADY ALONE!
...you trolls should be thankful that she even posts here at all!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc |
LOL, gave me a good laugh. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| 3DR wrote: |
My girlfriend has been to Europe, we traveled to America together, and she speaks English and is learning French. I'm glad I can talk about intellectual things with her and be silly too. Actually there shouldn't be a broad brush with either western women or korean women. Look hard fellas! |
Interestingly, that type of Korean girl are only into Western guys. Not even gyopos guys get their attention.
Which begs to question, a gyopo guy would seem to be the best match. Western mindset, Korean family. Yet, most of the "traveled" K-girls only go for the Westerner.....even though a gyopo is a Westerner....
Food for thought. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
My girlfriend has been to Europe, we traveled to America together, and she speaks English and is learning French. I'm glad I can talk about intellectual things with her and be silly too. Actually there shouldn't be a broad brush with either western women or korean women. Look hard fellas! |
Interestingly, that type of Korean girl are only into Western guys. Not even gyopos guys get their attention.
Which begs to question, a gyopo guy would seem to be the best match. Western mindset, Korean family. Yet, most of the "traveled" K-girls only go for the Westerner.....even though a gyopo is a Westerner....
Food for thought. |
I think that's true only half the time. I know a bunch of well travelled and intelligent K-girls who are with Asian dudes. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
My girlfriend has been to Europe, we traveled to America together, and she speaks English and is learning French. I'm glad I can talk about intellectual things with her and be silly too. Actually there shouldn't be a broad brush with either western women or korean women. Look hard fellas! |
Interestingly, that type of Korean girl are only into Western guys. Not even gyopos guys get their attention.
Which begs to question, a gyopo guy would seem to be the best match. Western mindset, Korean family. Yet, most of the "traveled" K-girls only go for the Westerner.....even though a gyopo is a Westerner....
Food for thought. |
I think that's true only half the time. I know a bunch of well travelled and intelligent K-girls who are with Asian dudes. |
I guess its more of a gyopo girls + western guys thing then... |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
My girlfriend has been to Europe, we traveled to America together, and she speaks English and is learning French. I'm glad I can talk about intellectual things with her and be silly too. Actually there shouldn't be a broad brush with either western women or korean women. Look hard fellas! |
Interestingly, that type of Korean girl are only into Western guys. Not even gyopos guys get their attention.
Which begs to question, a gyopo guy would seem to be the best match. Western mindset, Korean family. Yet, most of the "traveled" K-girls only go for the Westerner.....even though a gyopo is a Westerner....
Food for thought. |
This is because the families of white western men wont care if the k-girl comes from a less than stellar family. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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This is because the families of white western men wont care if the k-girl comes from a less than stellar family. |
Hmm.. Interesting point.
I've noticed that a fair number of K-girls with western boyfriends have some sort of social stigma with regards to family. Whether it be a single parent, or raised by grandparents, or something that traditional potential mother in laws would frown upon.
Which brings up another question: Are K-girls from outside the norm household more likely to date Western guys?
To add to this thread, gyopos are Western too. Would Western girls be willing to date a gyopo? Whether it be an adopted Korean, or someone who's lived over 90% of their life in a Western country. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Not a fan of the generalizations here. They completely discount the fact that not everyone (or even a significant majority) of people fit a description. This can cause you to miss great girls (or guys) that would be a good fit. If you assume "Korean women aren't worldly" or "foreign girls are abrasive", you can easily miss ones that defy the "rule".
I feel it's more important to meet a lot of people. Widens your potential dating pool (and friend pool too). Personally, I wasn't looking to date a Korean girl when I moved here (nothing against them, I just felt foreign girls shared a similar "I won't live here forever" mindset), and have been pleasantly surprised with the girl I've been with for over a year. She has many qualities people would consider "western", and I never would have met her if I was close-minded about Korean women. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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After reading all that drivel, I have one piece of advice for you as western guy who has been here for 5 years and dated a fair number of westerners and koreans here.
When meeting someone for the first time, DO NOT talk about how much you hate it here, your job, or anything that seems to be insulting koreans / westerners in korea / culture or society here. Nothing is a bigger turn off, or a more common topic among expats here. It is probably the sole reason that I have gravitated more towards korean women in the past year or so, I cant stand the fresh off the boat talk and it is really frustrating to talk to someone who literally has nothing to say except the same generalizations and observations that I have heard a million times before.
As others have said, join groups in your area. Go on trips with others and generally try and get to know people on a personal level. It will happen, but you need to put yourself out there. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
This is because the families of white western men wont care if the k-girl comes from a less than stellar family. |
Hmm.. Interesting point.
I've noticed that a fair number of K-girls with western boyfriends have some sort of social stigma with regards to family. Whether it be a single parent, or raised by grandparents, or something that traditional potential mother in laws would frown upon.
Which brings up another question: Are K-girls from outside the norm household more likely to date Western guys?
To add to this thread, gyopos are Western too. Would Western girls be willing to date a gyopo? Whether it be an adopted Korean, or someone who's lived over 90% of their life in a Western country. |
That's everywhere. With the possible exception of large, multi-ethnic cities like NYC and LA, try dating outside your racial group in most of America. Bring home a latino, black, Indian, Pakistani, etc. girl and some families and even friends will surprise you.
Korea moreso because its so homogenous. The same can be said if they date a Japanese, Chinese or other Asian as well. Non Korean is a no no very often and within Korea, a Korean from certain areas (Jeju, Jeolla province, etc.). |
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