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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: Why do most Koreans hate whole grains so much? |
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It's getting better these days. When I came here five years ago, I noticed that whole wheat bread was impossible to come by. I remember only being able to find white bread and white rice during my first couple of years.
More recently, I've been able to find whole wheat bread, whole wheat spaghetti noodles and most importantly, brown rice, barley rice and black rice in many places.
However I noticed when I bring this up with my students, they always tell me that it's because whole grains taste bad. I hate eating white rice or white bread because the taste seems off and I don't want to be eating empty carbohydrates. I also grew up in a house that didn't allow white bread or rice.
Most of my students and Korean friends will only eat brown rice if it's mixed with white rice. "Bakeries" like Paris Baguette and Tous Les Jours only carry products made from white bread, usually with cream and extremely sugary toppings on them (Koreans think it's gourmet for some ungodly reason).
The only time I found brown bread at Paris Baguette, I snatched it because it looked rather good. When I got home I tried to make a sandwich with it, it was loaded with this sugary creamy stuff in between each and every slice. I had to remove it in order to make a proper sandwich.
Actually, it's not that bad in Korea because at least you can buy it if you look hard enough. In Japan, whole grains are really looked down on (because the Japanese ate brown rice in poorer times) and it's near impossible to find whole grain anything.
When I ask my Korean friends about this, they always say it tastes bad and is gross. Kids hate brown rice with a passion.
It's sad because white rice has no nutritional value, neither does white bread. Brown rice is great for you which is why I've started substituting all the white rice I ate with brown rice (if I go out to eat I bring some with me).
Does anyone know why this is? I can't recall ever going to a bakery or buying bread in Canada and only seeing white bread. Maybe 50:50 or 60:40 (whole wheat: white) but not 99:1 like it is here. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Simple: perception. It used to be that only the poor would it barley and mixed grains, while the rich ate white rice. Not to say that whole grain isn't popular (usually powdered and mixed with water to be consumed as a drink).
As for the sugary bread...The best way I can explain it is by saying that it's far easier and cheaper to add sugar to bread dough or a non-dairy frosting to bread than to make proper pastry. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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12ax7 is right. Whole grains are perceived as poor people food and most kids are raised on white rice. It is also perceived to not taste as good. It took me a while to get used to eating whole grains too after almost never having eaten it for most of my life. The older generation hate it because that's what they used to eat everyday as kids. Back in day, white rice was reserved for the elders in the family so kids barely got to even taste it. My dad despises it because it reminds him of the time when they barely got enough to eat.
As for whole grain pasta and bread, its just not as popular here. But it is catching on. Brown and black rice aren't really recent though. They've been around forever. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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what's so ironic about this is in the U.S., many still believe that only poor people would eat white rice - and I honestly have my doubts as to white rice being less healthy than brown rice. yes, it's probably got more carbs, but then, it's also sort of heavier in texture and flavor, so usually one eats less of it than white, so in the end it's probably the same.
also Americans tend to think beans are poor people's fare so most won't eat them as much either, despite the health aspect of beans and legumes.
bottom line, class issues are widespread, not just in Korea. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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luckylady wrote: |
I honestly have my doubts as to white rice being less healthy than brown rice. yes, it's probably got more carbs, but then, it's also sort of heavier in texture and flavor, so usually one eats less of it than white, so in the end it's probably the same.
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You should do some research. The process of milling rice reduces nutrients and minerals like fiber, protein and iron. You get more nutritional value from eating the same amount of brown rice than white rice. I don't think white rice is really all that bad if you're getting those nutrients else where.
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also Americans tend to think beans are poor people's fare so most won't eat them as much either, despite the health aspect of beans and legumes.
bottom line, class issues are widespread, not just in Korea. |
Really? I swear I saw more beans during meals in the States than in Korea. Nobody was saying class issues only exist in the US. |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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luckylady wrote: |
what's so ironic about this is in the U.S., many still believe that only poor people would eat white rice - and I honestly have my doubts as to white rice being less healthy than brown rice. yes, it's probably got more carbs, but then, it's also sort of heavier in texture and flavor, so usually one eats less of it than white, so in the end it's probably the same.
also Americans tend to think beans are poor people's fare so most won't eat them as much either, despite the health aspect of beans and legumes |
I don't think I could disagree more with all of this.
White rice isn't terrible for you but it's not that good for you either. White rice is produced by essentially removing the healthiest parts of rice (milling). It's like eating something filling that has little nutritional value.
Brown rice is good for your digestion and your overall health. It also lowers your risk of diabetes, which is why a lot of Korean doctors are pushing it on older people. |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Location: South of the river
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:43 am Post subject: |
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i remember that as a kid in the UK, all of us hated brown bread with a passion..claimed it tasted disgusting etc...unfortunately it was still sold everywhere  |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Why are people so picky about food? |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:29 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
Why are people so picky about food? |
It tends to have dramatic effects on your health.
You are what you eat and all that.
Quite honestly, most people aren't picky enough about food. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Why do most Koreans hate whole grains so much? |
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IncognitoHFX2 wrote: |
Brown rice is great for you which is why I've started substituting all the white rice I ate with brown rice (if I go out to eat I bring some with me).
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See to me, that is as weird as any Korean eating preference you might care to name. First, if you really don't want to eat white rice at a restaurant order something else. Second, white rice by itself is not going to kill you if you eat it in moderation.
I'm fascinated by food OCD. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: |
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The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
pkang0202 wrote: |
Why are people so picky about food? |
It tends to have dramatic effects on your health.
You are what you eat and all that.
Quite honestly, most people aren't picky enough about food. |
I heard some Japanese on some island eat nothing but fish and WHITE rice all day. They live to be well over 100 years old.
Doesn't seem to bad to me.
BTW, Chad (OchoCincho) JOhnson eats McDonald's everyday. Have you seen his body and health?
Food has a dramatic effect on your health if you are lazy and don't exercise. I bet you 30 minutes of cardio a day will benefit you A LOT MORE than switching white rice to brown. |
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Newsflash: People should eat generally healthy diets and couple this with fair amounts of physical activity. Almost anything is okay in moderation. Decisions regarding taste preferences are subjective and based on a variety of factors, including cultural norms, expectations, and childhood experiences.
Coming up next on Dave's Cutting-Edge ESL Cafe: "Scientific Evidence that Anyone Who Likes Something You Don't Should Stop It, Just Stop It Right Now!" followed by another in our series of groundbreaking reports: Thursdays--do they really always come before Fridays? The answer could surprise you. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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luckylady wrote: |
also Americans tend to think beans are poor people's fare so most won't eat them as much either, despite the health aspect of beans and legumes.
bottom line, class issues are widespread, not just in Korea. |
Where are you from? Hailing from the Northeast and having attended high school and college with people from all over the country, this is the first time I've ever heard this, and it most certainly doesn't apply to my part of the country. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why do most Koreans hate whole grains so much? |
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transmogrifier wrote: |
IncognitoHFX2 wrote: |
Brown rice is great for you which is why I've started substituting all the white rice I ate with brown rice (if I go out to eat I bring some with me).
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See to me, that is as weird as any Korean eating preference you might care to name. First, if you really don't want to eat white rice at a restaurant order something else. Second, white rice by itself is not going to kill you if you eat it in moderation.
I'm fascinated by food OCD. |
Like what? White noodles? The plentiful amount of dishes not based on or accompanied by rice?
There are very few non-white-rice options, especially if you don't eat meat.
I don't bring my own brown or black rice to restaurants, but I don't often eat at Korean restaurants, because I prefer cooking at home to the feeling bloated from all of the salt the next day. I do also cook some Korean food at home, so I'm not against the food in general, just how so many places prepare it.
As for beans, I supposed it depends on the dish. A baked-bean sandwich (my grandfather went hunting in a very rural area, and was surprised though gracious when they offered this to him during lunch) would be considered poor fare, whereas a salad with sprouted beans would be the opposite. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why do most Koreans hate whole grains so much? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
transmogrifier wrote: |
IncognitoHFX2 wrote: |
Brown rice is great for you which is why I've started substituting all the white rice I ate with brown rice (if I go out to eat I bring some with me).
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See to me, that is as weird as any Korean eating preference you might care to name. First, if you really don't want to eat white rice at a restaurant order something else. Second, white rice by itself is not going to kill you if you eat it in moderation.
I'm fascinated by food OCD. |
Like what? White noodles? The plentiful amount of dishes not based on or accompanied by rice?
There are very few non-white-rice options, especially if you don't eat meat. . |
So my second point still stands: everything in moderation, right? Eating a little now and then is not going to kill you, which is why I'm amused by those who act like it will.
I simply cannot take seriously anyone who would look at something like haedopbap and get all dismissive because, despite the raw fish and abundant green vegetables, it contains *gasp* white rice.
Taking your own brown rice to a restaurant is a demonstration of a weird fixation on food, in my opinion, as well as a desire to announce yourself as "superior" to all those other white-rice-eating-slack-jawed-jelly-balls. |
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