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Bloopity Bloop



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: My co-teacher is ABOLUTELY nuts! Reply with quote

For the 1st time in my 3 years teaching in Korea, I (sadly) have one of THOSE co-teachers.

Walking into my office on the first day of school, I find that I have 5 co-teachers this year--4 of whom I had never co-taught with previously. At that point, I already knew there were going to be issues what with all the different teaching styles and the varying levels of effort each teacher might (or not) want to put into my class. Furthermore, I was to start using a textbook (never had to before) which NONE of my co-teachers had even opened until they showed it to me; it was also decided that it'd be the core of our midterm and final tests this year. It wouldn't be such a bad idea IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY COORDINATED WITH EACH OTHER. So week 1 is a total clusteryouknowwhat with every co-teacher wanting this and that from every class. As much as I wanted to have an organized agenda so that students are learning the same stuff, it just wasn't worth the effort to battle against a bunch of older teacher long set in their ways and teaching philosophies.

Well, on the Friday of week 1 (it's been almost 3 weeks since then?), I'm in the middle of a class with a co-teacher I've never even had much interaction with prior. She pulls me to the front while I am LITERALLY in the middle of helping a group of students working on the textbook. I ask her if she needs anything and this is the exchange that started it all...

Me: "Yes?"
Her: "What are we doing?"
Me: "Well, the students are working on the textbook."
Her: "I don't want to do the text book (and in my head, I'm thinking... except this is what you guys WANTED me to use...). What do you want to do now?"
Me: "Well, I don't have anything significant that is ready off-hand"
Her: "So you just show videos in class and force me to teach everything else? Is this your class or mine?"
--So I showed a 1-minute video at the start of class to engage students, which I followed up with at least 15 solid minutes of discussion and she basically did FIVE minutes of the listening section of the text book (which is in KOREAN)--
Me: "What are you talking about? I asked you if you would mind doing the listening part because I can't teach material that's in Korean. It was FIVE minutes."
Her: "I don't want to talk about this now!"

Later that day, she sat me down in our office and talked about how upset she was about how I didn't do this or that (WTF?). She also forced another teacher to team up against me. In any case, we came to the conclusion that she didn't want to take part in the class outside of merely assisting me in the rare occasion I'm unable to get my points across to students. Okay, fine, NO PROBLEM.

Since then, I'd come into the office and she'd be talking heatedly with other teachers and stop as soon as she knew I was there. I thought, okay, maybe this b**** is just venting (although I'm still unsure what she could be so upset about). But as time went by, teachers actually began coming up to me and telling me, "b**** said this, she said that". Until then, I had just been avoiding her and just minding my own business and doing my job. In my classes with her, I'd been doing an even better job w/o her involved. I thought I'd given her what she wanted, I felt better about it, case closed. Right?

NOPE, my head teacher said we needed to talk about this "fiasco". The b**** had apparently talked so much trash about me (about what I'm not sure), that some of the teachers in the office are asking my head-teacher why she keeps defending me. She is literally rallying people against me. Well, other than the obvious reason that I am completely blameless here and this b**** has been raging over a MINISCULE misunderstanding for almost a month now, my head teacher lost face because of this and wants ME to apologize to this teacher.

This teacher is in her mid-30s and only recently became a teacher. Her students all hate her and most of the teachers in the school don't like her. My head teacher actually told me that no other head teacher wanted her in their offices so we got stuck with her. So how is this happening?

OK... I'm thinking at this point, I should just let it go... everyone's on my side if they're telling me what she's doing. I'll be fine if I just keep doing my job. THEN...

I was LEGITIMATELY sick on Monday and took a day to recover. Yesterday, as I'm about to eat lunch with my head teacher, she asks me about my weekend. "Just the usual stuff" I say, "nothing special." She then starts telling me "a little bird" told her about certain pictures on my Facebook that might lead some people to suspect I had just partied too hard over the weekend and took a day off cause I was hungover. Okay, that was weird... Wait... no... it couldn't be...

Later that day, another teacher confirmed my suspicions. This PSYCHO B**** had actually LOOKED me up on Facebook, and reported what she found there to my head teacher and warned her not to trust me--about ANYTHING. If I lied about my sickness, I must lie about everything else Rolling Eyes

This also made me wonder what she actually saw. I do not party almost at all. I have no photos on my Facebook that I wouldn't show my parents or employers. Furthermore, most of my school knows I don't even drink. So I wasn't too worried about anything coming out of this. I just CANNOT BELIEVE that something SO SMALL is now turning into some kind of personal crusade against me. WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD RAGE FOR THIS LONG ABOUT NOTHING?! LITERALLY NOTHING!

Before any of your smartypants calls me out for not confronting her directly, I hadn't realized how much she was doing behind the scenes until recently. And on the day of the FB incident, she left for a 2-week long business trip. I asked my head teacher in a roundabout way whether or not it was in fact this teacher that told her about the my Facebook, but lied to my face and said no. Obviously she thinks it'll make things worse--and she said, "just forget about it. You guys should work it out with each other."

WHAT?!

I am furious about this. I am definitely going to have a word or two with Crazy 선생님 when she gets back.

What would you do in my situation? Does anyone have a similar experience?
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bobloblaw



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore the problem until it goes away or find a way to get her to like you.
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Gorf



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point I would say that the situation seems beyond repair. I hate to say it, but just tough it out, ignore it, just put your head down and try to remain as innocuous as possible. There's no way to convince her magically that you're a nice, normal guy. Some people just have a chip on their shoulder and the easy target is the foreigner. That's about all there is to it. Some people just can't be reasoned with and there's no way to go about compromising constructively.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: My co-teacher is ABOLUTELY nuts! Reply with quote

Bloopity Bloop wrote:
For the 1st time in my 3 years teaching in Korea, I (sadly) have one of THOSE co-teachers.

Walking into my office on the first day of school, I find that I have 5 co-teachers this year--4 of whom I had never co-taught with previously. At that point, I already knew there were going to be issues what with all the different teaching styles and the varying levels of effort each teacher might (or not) want to put into my class. Furthermore, I was to start using a textbook (never had to before) which NONE of my co-teachers had even opened until they showed it to me; it was also decided that it'd be the core of our midterm and final tests this year. It wouldn't be such a bad idea IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY COORDINATED WITH EACH OTHER. So week 1 is a total clusteryouknowwhat with every co-teacher wanting this and that from every class. As much as I wanted to have an organized agenda so that students are learning the same stuff, it just wasn't worth the effort to battle against a bunch of older teacher long set in their ways and teaching philosophies.

Well, on the Friday of week 1 (it's been almost 3 weeks since then?), I'm in the middle of a class with a co-teacher I've never even had much interaction with prior. She pulls me to the front while I am LITERALLY in the middle of helping a group of students working on the textbook. I ask her if she needs anything and this is the exchange that started it all...

Me: "Yes?"
Her: "What are we doing?"
Me: "Well, the students are working on the textbook."
Her: "I don't want to do the text book (and in my head, I'm thinking... except this is what you guys WANTED me to use...). What do you want to do now?"
Me: "Well, I don't have anything significant that is ready off-hand"
Her: "So you just show videos in class and force me to teach everything else? Is this your class or mine?"
--So I showed a 1-minute video at the start of class to engage students, which I followed up with at least 15 solid minutes of discussion and she basically did FIVE minutes of the listening section of the text book (which is in KOREAN)--
Me: "What are you talking about? I asked you if you would mind doing the listening part because I can't teach material that's in Korean. It was FIVE minutes."
Her: "I don't want to talk about this now!"

Later that day, she sat me down in our office and talked about how upset she was about how I didn't do this or that (WTF?). She also forced another teacher to team up against me. In any case, we came to the conclusion that she didn't want to take part in the class outside of merely assisting me in the rare occasion I'm unable to get my points across to students. Okay, fine, NO PROBLEM.

Since then, I'd come into the office and she'd be talking heatedly with other teachers and stop as soon as she knew I was there. I thought, okay, maybe this b**** is just venting (although I'm still unsure what she could be so upset about). But as time went by, teachers actually began coming up to me and telling me, "b**** said this, she said that". Until then, I had just been avoiding her and just minding my own business and doing my job. In my classes with her, I'd been doing an even better job w/o her involved. I thought I'd given her what she wanted, I felt better about it, case closed. Right?

NOPE, my head teacher said we needed to talk about this "fiasco". The b**** had apparently talked so much trash about me (about what I'm not sure), that some of the teachers in the office are asking my head-teacher why she keeps defending me. She is literally rallying people against me. Well, other than the obvious reason that I am completely blameless here and this b**** has been raging over a MINISCULE misunderstanding for almost a month now, my head teacher lost face because of this and wants ME to apologize to this teacher.

This teacher is in her mid-30s and only recently became a teacher. Her students all hate her and most of the teachers in the school don't like her. My head teacher actually told me that no other head teacher wanted her in their offices so we got stuck with her. So how is this happening?

OK... I'm thinking at this point, I should just let it go... everyone's on my side if they're telling me what she's doing. I'll be fine if I just keep doing my job. THEN...

I was LEGITIMATELY sick on Monday and took a day to recover. Yesterday, as I'm about to eat lunch with my head teacher, she asks me about my weekend. "Just the usual stuff" I say, "nothing special." She then starts telling me "a little bird" told her about certain pictures on my Facebook that might lead some people to suspect I had just partied too hard over the weekend and took a day off cause I was hungover. Okay, that was weird... Wait... no... it couldn't be...

Later that day, another teacher confirmed my suspicions. This PSYCHO B**** had actually LOOKED me up on Facebook, and reported what she found there to my head teacher and warned her not to trust me--about ANYTHING. If I lied about my sickness, I must lie about everything else Rolling Eyes

This also made me wonder what she actually saw. I do not party almost at all. I have no photos on my Facebook that I wouldn't show my parents or employers. Furthermore, most of my school knows I don't even drink. So I wasn't too worried about anything coming out of this. I just CANNOT BELIEVE that something SO SMALL is now turning into some kind of personal crusade against me. WHAT KIND OF INSANE PERSON WOULD RAGE FOR THIS LONG ABOUT NOTHING?! LITERALLY NOTHING!

Before any of your smartypants calls me out for not confronting her directly, I hadn't realized how much she was doing behind the scenes until recently. And on the day of the FB incident, she left for a 2-week long business trip. I asked my head teacher in a roundabout way whether or not it was in fact this teacher that told her about the my Facebook, but lied to my face and said no. Obviously she thinks it'll make things worse--and she said, "just forget about it. You guys should work it out with each other."

WHAT?!

I am furious about this. I am definitely going to have a word or two with Crazy 선생님 when she gets back.

What would you do in my situation? Does anyone have a similar experience?


Do you feel these other teachers will get your back or throw you under a bus? Does she have the power to evaluate you or can she actually do anything to you? You should try to tape her or record her if you can. Don't ask how. But if she gets you non renewed you can sue her for libel. Laws here are very strict if you make some one lose face.

But there are some older Korean women that are emotional crazy %^&*. Best you stand up to her and bluntly tell her to stop trash talking you. If you gotta go out, go out fighting. If she gets snippy, ask her if she wants to get sued for slander? Tell her to quit being obnoxious and immature and to grow up. Failing that, start planning an exit strategy.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorf wrote:
At this point I would say that the situation seems beyond repair. I hate to say it, but just tough it out, ignore it, just put your head down and try to remain as innocuous as possible. There's no way to convince her magically that you're a nice, normal guy. Some people just have a chip on their shoulder and the easy target is the foreigner. That's about all there is to it. Some people just can't be reasoned with and there's no way to go about compromising constructively.


I'm with Mr. Gorf on this one.

However if you haven't already...adjust the privacy settings on your FB page so she can't ever do anything like this again.
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hapigokelli



Joined: 04 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this happen with a teacher a few years back. She went from trying to be my best friend to trying to get me fired in a matter of days. She even called up the head of the SMOE office and tried to tell them that I showed up to work drunk and all of the students were afraid of me. NEVER happened.

Here is my advice, from my experience.

1. Change your name on your facebook account so that if they look you up, they can't find you. This is even better than changing privacy settings because you can claim that you don't even have an account.

2. Be extremely nice to your other co-teachers, offer to help them out with things that aren't necessarily your job. Get them on your side.

3. Bring in a cake or cookies to your office for the other teachers. Make sure that you bring it in while most of the other teachers are in the office and make a big show of giving some to everyone. This wins major points.
Always smile at the other teachers when you see them, say good morning everyday when you come in, it's really appreciated.

4. If the woman yells at you or even talks to you, just smile at her and nod, then ignore everything she says. If you are always calm and she's screaming, who looks like the nut-job?

5. Openly tell the other teachers that you don't know why the woman is gossiping about you, that you just want to get along with everyone and give the best education to the students possible.

6. Again, ALWAYS remain clam and polite, losing it will work against you.

7. Document everything as best you can.

8. If all else fails, take it to the VP, ask for a meeting with your head teacher, the VP and one other teacher that you know is on your side. Bring your documentation, let them know as politely as possible what is going on.

Good luck.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing you can do is play the game. Confronting her directly won't accomplish much. Also, max out the security settings on facebook. I have mind so it's almost impossible to find me.
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pegasus64128



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had any real problems with co-teachers (touch wood) but I agree with the above advice. If you are nice, professional, and generally liked, especially by your students then it's harder to target you. I did once work with a horrible co-teacher (a real blood/energy-sucking leech) but I could handle her now I reckon.

Watch out for personnel changes in public schools too. I was getting a bad vibe off a new staff member and was not (in)formally introduced to her. I found out she was working in a more senior capacity, which for some reason stimulated me to smile at her more and of course give the big bow and 안녕하십니까. Seems ok now (but again - touch wood).
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matthews_world



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you never planned out which parts of the unit you'd both be teaching or maybe I missed that. Perhaps she's confused with this aspect.


Did you make sure she found the correct FB page?


Sounds like you're in for a tough semester. The Korean education system will keep any of their own kind and waylay the foreigner.

See if she'll continue next semester. If so, prepare your docs and give your notice of leave and get out of Dodge while you have your health and sanity.
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends how much time you got left, but start wrecking her career. Call your coordinator and tell them that she smells like soju, she should be evaluated by the parents and students, etc. Do this in the last month that you are there. That way you won't have to deal with the fall out. Also say that you are afraid for your personal safety because she might be stalking you. act like a total b___. when it comes to talking to the higher ups. "I am so scared. "She makes zombie faces at me." etc.

Criticize her physical appearance to make her feel insecure. Say she has something on her face and watch her rush to the mirror, etc.

If you are staying long term, sue her for defamation. I would love to see an E2 visa holder finally use their BS against them.

I would do it myself, but only if I got screwed with. All my co workers and students like me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like she is trying to move up and using you as a stepping stone. She doesn't want to teach, she wants a managerial position. That's why she is trying to boss you around. She doesn't want attention on her that she is going somewhere for a week, so she brings up this FB thing.

She has done this before, and she doesn't need to see your actual FB page. She knows FB is popular and that you probably have one. She just made it up.

I would actually take her and the owner of the school aside and have a meeting. I would ask specifically what she wants and what she doesn't want. "No more complaints after this meeting, we work it all out now or I don't come in tomorrow. Understand?"

In my case, I recently had a teacher write up a letter and she gave it to the class to give me. I teach 36 classes, and this is one of the 3 worst classes at the school. So, I wrote up a letter also explaining this. I took notes of that day's class listing things like students throwing things in class and not paying attention. They were the only class who didn't understand the meaning of "last year". I showed these notes to the head English teacher and explained that if more classes feel the same way or even if it was just better behaved classes who perform better, I would make changes. I haven't heard anything from the "problem" teacher since then.

You are kind of enabling her to continue picking on you like a bully in school does to the "weakest" member. You need to diplomatically nip it. Write up short progress notes of each class and see where her class ranks.

And ask her plainly in the presence of the owner, "DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT WANT TO BE A TEACHER AT THIS SCHOOL?"

If she does, then she will have to do some of the teaching. That's what co-teaching is all about.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has to be a reason why she doesnt ike you. Ive gotten along with every teacher no matter how bad or how nice they were. In order to do this, you have to adjust your personality to fit them and that personal situational.
It seems your personality is not that flexible. Or you give off some vibe that goes undetected or unbeknownst to you that rubs her the wrong way.
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transmogrifier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
There has to be a reason why she doesnt ike you. Ive gotten along with every teacher no matter how bad or how nice they were. In order to do this, you have to adjust your personality to fit them and that personal situational.
It seems your personality is not that flexible. Or you give off some vibe that goes undetected or unbeknownst to you that rubs her the wrong way.


I disagree. Some people are just jerks, and it is their problem, not yours. Not sure why you'd decide to postulate that the OP is to blame when the exact same "vibe" could be coming from the co-teacher....and in fact sounds very much like it does.
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plchron



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand by my post. WARFARE!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plchron wrote:
I stand by my post. WARFARE!!!!!!!


"Well Pilgrim, I see you're still protecting the ladies."

"You can call me Dad, you can call me Father, you can call me Jacob and you can call me Jake. You can call me a dirty old SOB, but if you EVER call me Daddy again, Ill finish this fight."
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