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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
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3 out of 23 is roughly 13%. What percentage are Koreans of the whole US population? |
The Myth's mind has been made up beforehand regarding anything that has to do with Korea. There is little point in engaging him on any issue that compromises his honorary Korean status. From what I've read, less than two million Koreans reside in the US. You do the math. As multiple Koreans have told me, there are seriously repressed personal/social issues pertaining solely to the disturbed culture that exists within the Korean psychosis, which rarely gets addressed in an honest fashion. Koreans kill themselves in droves, they're not the happiest bunch of people. They have too much weight upon them. Whether or not this played a part in this incident, who knows. But there's something going on here that needs to be addressed. |
Another example of the fine rule that when a white person does something like dismember and rape a bunch of 6 year olds, or climb the bell tower and start sniping, or start some riot over 22 people chasing a ball, they're just a nut and treated as an individual.
Someone Asian or Middle-Eastern or Black does something and its a reflection on their culture, not them as an individual. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
govt official:
"and do you swear to honor and support the U.S. Constitution?"
Goh: "I do. can I buy a gun now?"
gotta love America!!!!! |
The US is like Denmark, Canada, Switzerland, & Germany, in that: in order to purchase a firearm, one must be a legal resident, pass a background check, and depending on the state, get a hunting license and register at the local Sherrif's office. Guns are easily attainable in a number of first-world countries, not just the US.
Canadians can conceal carry in several US states using a restricted Canadian Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL).
US hunters visiting Canada, Denmark, & Norway must simply prove legal ownership in their home country, and poof! They're in Norway with a gun hunting 40-point bucks.
For California:
Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.
One must have an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) AND (2) must provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction. |
I would actually tend to agree with you, but I'd like to know why you think Americans are more likely to resort to guns than people in other nations? Do you think something is wrong with American society? My brother had lots of rifles and shotguns in my house in Ireland, when I was growing up, but never once or anyone else in my family ever think of taking one and pointing one at another person.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
3 out of 23 is roughly 13%. What percentage are Koreans of the whole US population? |
The number of 23 is just the number of shooting deaths SINCE 1999.
I then listed another website which gave a number of mass shooting deaths before and after that date. Which I noticed you conveniently overlooked.
And neither list is a comprehensive list...which you again conveniently overlooked.
WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T INCLUDE ALL THE MASS SHOOTINGS...just the most notorious ones.
Nor do they include drive-by shootings (gangland style warfare) where a bunch of people are shot.
Once you include all of that...it's much more proportionate. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jfromtheway wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
3 out of 23 is roughly 13%. What percentage are Koreans of the whole US population? |
The Myth's mind has been made up beforehand regarding anything that has to do with Korea. There is little point in engaging him on any issue that compromises his honorary Korean status. From what I've read, less than two million Koreans reside in the US. You do the math. As multiple Koreans have told me, there are seriously repressed personal/social issues pertaining solely to the disturbed culture that exists within the Korean psychosis, which rarely gets addressed in an honest fashion. Koreans kill themselves in droves, they're not the happiest bunch of people. They have too much weight upon them. Whether or not this played a part in this incident, who knows. But there's something going on here that needs to be addressed. |
The only thing my mind is made up is on the points of reason and logic. Now I've already shown why and how Mr. radcon's above post failed on both points.
So THREE Koreans and you claim that "there are seriously repressed personal/social issues pertaining solely to the disturbed culture that exists with the Korean psychosis..."
Do you realize how this makes you sound? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to know why you think Americans are more likely to resort to guns than people in other nations? |
I'd like to know, too. Why don't more Americans use knives or stones or pencils in mass killings instead of guns? Why not home-made bombs or poison or something else? |
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1927
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It does seem like Koreans have been involved in a disproportionate number of mass shootings in the US. The VT massacre, Atlanta and now this. Like the article says it could have something to do with bullying and a reluctance to acknowledge and treat mental illness among Koreans. |
Interesting point. But then one could state that the USA has a disproportionate number of single person mass shootings in relation to the rest of the world. Could it be that there is a reluctance among Americans to acknowledge and deal with something? |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It does seem like Koreans have been involved in a disproportionate number of mass shootings in the US. The VT massacre, Atlanta and now this. Like the article says it could have something to do with bullying and a reluctance to acknowledge and treat mental illness among Koreans. |
Interesting point. But then one could state that the USA has a disproportionate number of single person mass shootings in relation to the rest of the world. Could it be that there is a reluctance among Americans to acknowledge and deal with something? |
unfortunately, Americans as a whole are bullied about by the NRA and that's not going to change any time soon in the foreseeable future.
as for any possibility of Koreans jumping on the bandwagon of mass-shootings, there's no reason not to see this as an instance of "he did it so I'll do it" kind of action - that is, Goh knew of other Koreans who had done this as well as Americans, he had easy access to guns, and voila, a disaster waiting to happen.
considering the remarks made in the media about his limited English ability, I can't help but wonder if he's actually aware that Calif has the death penalty, albeit not enacted in some time. I wonder how long he'll even last in prison, Calif's are way over-crowded and he's gonna have a hell of a time adjusting w/already serious mental health issues. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| It does seem like Koreans have been involved in a disproportionate number of mass shootings in the US. The VT massacre, Atlanta and now this. Like the article says it could have something to do with bullying and a reluctance to acknowledge and treat mental illness among Koreans. |
Interesting point. But then one could state that the USA has a disproportionate number of single person mass shootings in relation to the rest of the world. Could it be that there is a reluctance among Americans to acknowledge and deal with something? |
I think the difference is the easy access to guns in the US. It seems like I've witnessed more acts of violence here than in the US. However, violent people in Korea are not usually armed so they don't usually end up killing anyone. What would happen if Korea had the same gun laws as the US? What would happen if Koreans commonly kept guns at home and could obtain permits to carry their guns in such public places such as bars? Their homicide rate might be just as high or even higher than America's. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| So THREE Koreans and you claim that "there are seriously repressed personal/social issues pertaining solely to the disturbed culture that exists with the Korean psychosis..." |
You're quoting a general statement I made, but it could have something to do with it. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
| unfortunately, Americans as a whole are bullied about by the NRA |
What?
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| What would happen if Koreans commonly kept guns at home and could obtain permits to carry their guns in such public places such as bars? |
In Korea's weird monoculture? I imagine it would be disastrous. Kinda like how it is for the particular American subculture responsible for the vast majority of our gun violence. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
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For California:
Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.
One must have an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) AND (2) must provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction. |
I would actually tend to agree with you, but I'd like to know why you think Americans are more likely to resort to guns than people in other nations?
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It's actually black Americans who account for more than half of US gun crime, but represent only 12-13% of US population. I don't know why this is. Google it. I am not racist. Most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns. Lefties tend to impugn legal US gun owners while ignoring statistically similar gun crime rates among legal gun owners in Canada.
As for the reason Americans 'go postal' more than other countries where guns are also easy attainable? The US Constitution and history allow for an armed populace. Gun culture is strong and usually safe. There are benefits and drawbacks. In the US we can enjoy many freedoms that are illegal in Canada: we can ride a motorcycle without a helmet. We can walk with a beer down the street. We can hire our own doctor. And we can carry a gun into Walmart.
We are *not* free to go on shooting rampages.
| blade wrote: |
Do you think something is wrong with American society? My brother had lots of rifles and shotguns in my house in Ireland, when I was growing up, but never once or anyone else in my family ever think of taking one and pointing one at another person.
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Bear in mind, gun crime is extremely low among legal US gun owners:
according to the ATF, 93% of all firearms used in criminal acts are obtained illegally:
http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.0/Gun-Facts-v6.0-screen.pdf
Here is a less biased source, roughly 80% with 6% unaccounted for.
http://www.policyalmanac.org/crime/archive/firearms_and_crime.shtml
Bear in mind this is from 1997.
My point is, legal gun-owning Americans statistically don't commit much more gun crime than Swedes or Canadians. Most gun crimes are committed by minorities with illegal guns.
Granted, 'going postal' is usually done with legal guns. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| What would happen if Koreans commonly kept guns at home and could obtain permits to carry their guns in such public places such as bars? Their homicide rate might be just as high or even higher than America's. |
Ironically in the past, Koreans were trumpeted by gun groups as an example of "fine-upstanding citizens with guns" after the LA Riots and the videos and reports of Korean merchants defending their homes, stores, and lives with guns against rioters and looters.
Somehow I don't think Koreans are going to be the face of the NRA anymore... |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
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For California:
Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.
One must have an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) AND (2) must provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction. |
I would actually tend to agree with you, but I'd like to know why you think Americans are more likely to resort to guns than people in other nations?
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It's actually black Americans who account for more than half of US gun crime, but represent only 12-13% of US population. I don't know why this is. Google it. I am not racist. Most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns. Lefties tend to impugn legal US gun owners while ignoring statistically similar gun crime rates among legal gun owners in Canada.
As for the reason Americans 'go postal' more than other countries where guns are also easy attainable? The US Constitution and history allow for an armed populace. Gun culture is strong and usually safe. There are benefits and drawbacks. In the US we can enjoy many freedoms that are illegal in Canada: we can ride a motorcycle without a helmet. We can walk with a beer down the street. We can hire our own doctor. And we can carry a gun into Walmart. |
Pretty sure that in most states you can not ride a motorcycle without a helmet or openly drink beer out in public walking down the street. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| In Korea's weird monoculture? I imagine it would be disastrous. Kinda like how it is for the particular American subculture responsible for the vast majority of our gun violence. |
The particular American subculture? You mean the War on Drugs? The vast majority of gun violence in the US is gang/drug related (ie. caused by government policy, just like during prohibition and the rise of organized crime), and has nothing to do with normal law abiding people who own guns for self-defense or hunting etc.
Actually, I think the notion that regular people would go around shooting others just because they have guns, in any culture, is absurd. Last time I checked most Koreans have kitchen knives- but I don't see them going around randomly stabbing people due to their "weird monoculture"... |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| The particular American subculture? You mean the War on Drugs? |
I meant exactly what I said. Which particular group of people of the same deranged subculture are responsible for the majority of our gun crime? "The vast majority of gun violence in the US is gang/drug related." Yeah, them.
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| Actually, I think the notion that regular people would go around shooting others just because they have guns, in any culture, is absurd. |
I think the problem is our definition of what constitutes a 'regular person.' A culture that allows rape, domestic abuse, animal cruelty, etc to be excused on the basis of intoxication doesn't seem like the kind of culture I would expect to produce a populace of 'regular' people... or at least not regular in the sense that matters here. |
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