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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stew1988 wrote:
Thank you, I appreciate the advice.

I have asked the immigration on various occasions about "what can be done" to get this thing processed and they always lead me down the same lines...

"Your VISA has been rejected, please contact your employer for more information"

"You must apply again. You are free to apply again. Each immigration officer is different"

They are basically saying that two things have to work in unison for me to get this VISA number. Firstly I need to find an employer willing to accept the past and take my words as the truth (not easy). Once achieved, I then need to hope that my case falls into the hands of somebody that will do the sensible thing, which in my mind is to investigate the situation and then relay the information on to the prospective employer, leaving the final decision up to them.

Throw into the equation the fact that the never return documentation, this is an insanely frustrating system. Now it's not worked from here in the UK and I'm not sure about the likelihood of achieving better results by just getting a couple of copies of my document, flying to Korea and doing the search in person. Of course this begs the question, what do I do if the same thing happened inside the country and I am left stranded. Funds don't exactly help the situation either.

I've tried searching for Korean law specialists here in the UK and that was a futile task. I suppose we would have to discuss this with a lawyer inside of Korea. As for the Ministry of Justice, I will definitely get onto them and see what they have to say about the situation.

I think that with my letter of explanation (translated into Korean), a variety of previous character references from other employment, Korean based character references, a job offer and a director asking immigration to grant the visa issuance number, plus not a blemish to my criminal record in either Korea or the UK, they have treated me unfairly. Of course this seems to be something that I can whine about, but do very little about in the way of rectifying their decision. Of course the boss needs to find another teacher now and I have t start over regardless.

Hopefully something will work itself out.



Stew, I have no doubt you asked these questions to the immigration officers handling your application - but they have supervisors and so on and so on - I was referring to asking these questions of the higher ups over at the Ministry of Justice - if you simply stick with the same immi office, you won't get anywhere at all, as you've already found out.

what you are trying to do is essentially 2 things - (1) find out specifically why your app is being refused and (2) how you can rectify this so it is approved

it won't be easy going up the chain and you might have some concerns doing so but then again, there could have been something done (against you) somewhere along the way that was intended to keep you out - you really need to know if this is the case for obvious reasons or else you will just keep spinning your wheels like you are now

you can explain that you really don't want to sue anyone, or you can say you do, and want to know who exactly it is you should sue - which ever you want - but the point is to go after the truth and find out what's going on

as for lawyers, there are always lawyer referral services, they are everywhere in the U.S., am sure they are in the UK as well - and there are always immigrant support groups - try searching in Korean, not English
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Go in person to immigration with a new employer and don't leave the window until they either get the visa number process started or explain exactly why you are being denied.

Don't do this by phone.
Don't do this by email.
Don't do this in another room.

Do it in person staring the immigration officer in the face. Find out what is going on.



There are only 2 problems with that advice.

1. He's NOT in Korea...he's in the UK.

2. He doesn't have the money to fly all the way back to Korea. What if he still gets rejected? Then he has to fly all the way back.
This would cost money (HE DOESN'T HAVE) both ways.


Just going to +1 this. Not everyone has access to cash to just bounce around as they will.


So you're saying that he can't find ANYONE to borrow it from? Not even his wife would lend it to him so that they could be together?

If he's REALLY strapped for cash, he could always get a job on a cargo ship in exchange for free passage. (Which I can say from personal experience is a lot easier than most people realize.)

I still call BS on this. But it's an entertaining story none the less. I'm curious about what great tragedy will strike next. Watch next weeks episode when his mom's house burns down and they end up in a homeless shelter and our hero not only has to find a way to get to Korea but also has to bring his mom with him. Will he make? Or will he end up divorced and in the poor house? Stay tuned next week to find out. Same ESL time. Same ESL channel.
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stew1988



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte, I have just one question...are you naturally a complete *beep* or have you been taking lessons?

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stew1988



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

make of that beep what you will
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
Zyzyfer wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Go in person to immigration with a new employer and don't leave the window until they either get the visa number process started or explain exactly why you are being denied.

Don't do this by phone.
Don't do this by email.
Don't do this in another room.

Do it in person staring the immigration officer in the face. Find out what is going on.



There are only 2 problems with that advice.

1. He's NOT in Korea...he's in the UK.

2. He doesn't have the money to fly all the way back to Korea. What if he still gets rejected? Then he has to fly all the way back.
This would cost money (HE DOESN'T HAVE) both ways.


Just going to +1 this. Not everyone has access to cash to just bounce around as they will.


So you're saying that he can't find ANYONE to borrow it from? Not even his wife would lend it to him so that they could be together?

If he's REALLY strapped for cash, he could always get a job on a cargo ship in exchange for free passage. (Which I can say from personal experience is a lot easier than most people realize.)

I still call BS on this. But it's an entertaining story none the less. I'm curious about what great tragedy will strike next. Watch next weeks episode when his mom's house burns down and they end up in a homeless shelter and our hero not only has to find a way to get to Korea but also has to bring his mom with him. Will he make? Or will he end up divorced and in the poor house? Stay tuned next week to find out. Same ESL time. Same ESL channel.


I came to Korea with $300. I saved up. Eat nothing but cheap noodles your first month. Make $2,000. Then, continue saving while buying only things you need. Get $2,000 the 3rd month. At that point, you should have $4,000 and you can easily pay off any credit card bills you might get as a result of coming to Korea.

Does anyone see the weak link in Stew's story? He said he didn't get paid and that he doesn't have money, but somehow flights to his home country are easily attainable. Was he deported?
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
Does anyone see the weak link in Stew's story? He said he didn't get paid and that he doesn't have money, but somehow flights to his home country are easily attainable. Was he deported?


I don't have anything invested in this thread, so don't want to get into much of a debate about it, but you and Trog seem to be hammering that money point home. Who knows, maybe stew had like 2 grand when he did his runner for the flight home - just enough for the flight and basic resettlement expenses. Love how you try to spin it into a deportation angle.

Trogs: I personally don't have many options for borrowing cash, so yes, it's feasible. stew has made it clear that his relationship with his wife and her family is...interesting...so no, I doubt they will pony up the cash, either.

I find the story just as unbelievable as the both of you and others posting do, but don't feel the need to bellow on about how stew must have been deported, etc. If the guy is trolling, you're feeding him, and if he's telling the truth, you're being hardasses on the unluckiest guy in the universe - a title generally reserved for myself. Embarassed


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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stew1988 wrote:
Troglodyte, I have just one question...are you naturally a complete *beep* or have you been taking lessons?


I have natural talent, but I like to think that I've refined my skill at it over time.

Anyway..... the big question is why you're still in the UK? Didn't everyone tell you to go to Korea to find a job? Why ask everyone for advice when you aren't going to take it? If everyone is giving you the same advice, don't you think that maybe there might be something to it? Maybe?

A quick check on Expedia.co.uk shows that you can get a one-way flight to Seoul for 450 Pounds. You can ask your wife to get you a cheap one-way ferry ticket to Japan (about 40,000 Won). That resolves your proof of onward travel. Or get a refundable one way plane ticket to Japan and then cancel if after you arrive in Korea.

What are you living off of now? We get that you're living in your mom's basement, but even if she's totally covering you it still means that someone (either you or your mom) are paying your living costs. It would be cheaper to just go to Korea. Ask you mom to lend you the money. Or get a part job at McDonalds for a couple weeks. How long would it take to scrounge up 450 Pounds?

Your story just doesn't add up. That's why people are starting to suspect that either you're not telling us the whole story or else you're completely making up this story (i.e. you're trolling).
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stew1988



Joined: 04 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone did not tell me to just get on a flight and come to Korea. This was not the best option at the time and the most sensible of responses suggested doing exactly what I did. It would have most probably have worked out if things had not conspired against me. What exactly is so hard to believe about my story?

1. I don't have a great deal of money and thus I wanted to do the most sensible thing. Sure I want to go out to Korea, but I didn't just want to go out to a hornets nest of a situation. If I found a job from the UK then that would guarantee me a job, a place to live and a reimbursed or prepaid flight. I was told by immigration that it WAS NOT them who rejected me and thus led to believe that if I found a supporting prospective employer then I would be home and dry. This was always the best option, much better than arriving in Korea with no job, a set of documents and a bit of hope. I would have to have maintained myself for however long it took to find a job, I would have to have paid my own flight and I faced the danger that it may still have not worked out. Seeing as immigration does not return documents then I would have been left in a terrible situation.

Now I find myself writing messages to idiotic mugs that go by the name of Troglodyte on an Internet forum...that about sums my life up at the moment.

I have the money to fly to South Korea, I always did. By all good decency however, one would have assumed I would have got back in by now the way I did things. Whilst what I write may sound unbelievable and the way things have panned out may seem dangerously unlucky, bordering on the fantastical, quite frankly, I don't give a damn.

So what have I gained by coming to these forums? Well very little in terms of the abuse and utter bollocks spouted by apparently very angry characters like YTMMSPMT or Troglodyte...I have however been able to write and retell my story which has been helpful. I've also received some actually handy advice along the way too.

I can't really see the point of continuing the discussion anymore. I will indeed fly to Korea, it seems as though I have little choice. I will also continue to work in the UK until I can sustain myself financially upon arrival.

I'm glad I've entertained you over recent times with my posts, it's been a pleasure.
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Baron



Joined: 30 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a runner on my previous job around a year ago.

I went back to my home country for a while and came back to Korea with a set of new documents and managed to secure a new job within a couple of weeks.

My employer discovered however when I applied for my visa (at a different immi. office than the immi. office where I had my previous visa) that I had done a runner from my previous job.

I had and still have a great relationship with my current boss so he just asked me about the problem. I told him the truth about what happened and he had no problem with processing the visa.

He told me that my previous employer had put in a complaint to immi. and that he had to write a note explaining he was fine with my previous transgression and immi. would process the visa. The visa was duly processed with the minimum of fuss.

I took it that it was immi's role to inform my prospective employer of my previous transgression but not to deny the visa.

It was a very lucky outcome for me. My only issue now is applying for a new job when my contract is finished.

I'm still a little worried that my previous runner will be brought up with all prospective employers in the future.

Good luck to you in your search anyhow! Be persistent and I'm sure something will turn up!
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Love how you try to spin it into a deportation angle.


Either he didn't do anything wrong and was falsely deported, I would rather believe that and give him the benefit of the most reasonable doubt many of us have reached, or he and his Korean wife paid double for a flight to the UK. That would be even dumber, throwing your money away and giving it to the airline industry. Now they have paid 3 flights because I understand the wife left him to go back to Korea.

Some of us are advising him to go back to Korea, which means 4 flights for the airline industry that didn't have to be paid. He could have used that money more wisely to look for a job.

He could have gone to school as a student. What would you do with $4,000 (USD)? That's what he is throwing down the toilet.

Not the best of all plans. If he was deported, then it would make more sense to me. A runner doesn't mean you leave the country. I did a runner and just moved into a goshiwon. Found another school and moved on. Actually, that's also dumb. What I really did was find a new school, THEN, I moved out.

Hey stew, highlight that part. DO A RUNNER AFTER YOU SECURE A NEW SCHOOL. Don't just get up and leave. Either you got deported or you wasted 3,000,000 won so far and 1,000,000 won is just around the corner.

That's like 2 months of work. If you did leave the country on your own accord, it wasn't the smartest move. Look at all the money you lost.
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isitts



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stew1988 wrote:
Troglodyte, I have just one question...are you naturally a complete *beep* or have you been taking lessons?


Troglodyte has offered (on this thread and others) very practical advice, which you continue to disregard.

With each page that gets added to this thread, your story holds less and less water. You're now saying that you've gained nothing from posting here? That's your own doing. Don't try to turn that around on the people who have offered legitimate advice.
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stew1988



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, his abusive, sarcastic and often absurd advice has been very helpful to my cause...you will see how I have thanked those who have assisted, and rightfully mocked the angry little sect of life that co-exists on these forums.

Allow me to appease your sect and that will be the end of it...enjoy...

- Yes, I got deported. Following the almost fatal instance with the pizza cutter during morning playtime, I found myself on the run. I was just driven to the edge and there it was, the pizza cutter just starring at me beside a steaming bowl of ddakdoritang...I hold no regrets...in a futile attempt to escape by boat to Jeju and set up a new life for myself and my pregnant wife, I was caught and apprehended by the many men of Suwon immigration (what they lacked in size they made up for in sheer numbers). Without my pizza cutter at hand, the numbers game was too much for the best of us!

- They handcuffed me and placed me in a small, dark and dank room back at the immigration centre. Bread and Kimchi was the order of the day. I was interrogated intensely in a language that I could not understand until one day, out of the blue, I head an almighty bang...my wife had come to break me free. She is a black belt in Tae Kwondo and overpowered the men with ease. She tied them up, we stole the officers uniforms and set off for Busan. Slinking across to Japan by ferry, we laid low with one of my friends in Osaka for a few days. Some how, some way, Korean immigration had found us, employing some form of Yakuza headhunters to track us down...At the front door, we sleuthed out of the Fire escape and ran for our lives. The eventualities between that point and arriving in the UK are very dark indeed and I fear, too horrific for the PG rating of these forums.


Cheers
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stew1988



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Baron,

cheers for that. Your situation sounds similar, however immigration pointed out to myself and my prospective boss the essential difference. With your situation, you got back in to Korea on the first attempt. You came to an understanding with the school and immigration gave you the number...they provided me with the same option the first time around, however the school were having none of it...

The man at Incheon immigration told me that Ansan Immigration may have rejected me because of my failed attempt to get back in via Incheon immigration. Ansan essentially consider this a rejection by immigration and this will go against me with future applications. Essentially, immigration find it very difficult to give a visa number following another immigration branches rejection. So my error was not being honest from the outset with my first attempt. The man at Incheon also said that he was powerless to influence the decision at Ansan in anyway.

Good luck with everything and I'm sure you will have no problem when reapplying. You were never rejected by immigration so no problem, probably...Smile
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think stews problem may be he told his employer and immig that he was planning to bring a pot-bellied pig to Korea.
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stew1988



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If only I had known about their well documented hatred of pot bellied pigs! You live and learn...
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