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Leon

Joined: 31 May 2010

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:07 am Post subject:

Swampfox10mm wrote:

I don't get it? Are you trying to say that CNN did not air the story because you feel theblaze is not a viable media outlet? Search it. Many more media outlets covered this.

Another one for you, since you love the site so much.

http://m.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

No, I was just commenting in general that it's interesting that someone who said that they were concerned about media bias looked at website like the Blaze which is characterized by bias and is run by Glenn Beck who is guilty of airing selectively edited videos and known for conspiracy theories. I know what happened at CNN and am not trying to dispute it.

Swampfox10mm

Joined: 24 Mar 2011

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:45 am Post subject:

I just chose the first site on the Google list at the time. I don't even know much about theblaze. I saw there were several others, too.

asylum seeker

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:14 am Post subject:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

asylum seeker wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Have you ever been in a fight?
The human body can take all kinds of wonderful punishment.
Zimmerman has at best a few scratches on the back of his head...they look more like rug burn.
He didn't even have a concussion...didn't lose consciousness...was in no way a threat to his life...except for the gun...which was his.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. People die all the time from single punches to the head because they become unconscious and their heads hit concrete hard.

here's some examples:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061741/Kyle-Allen-kills-brother-Sam-Kirk-single-punch-drunken-argument-Derby.html

http://www.gpsj.co.uk/view-article.asp?articleid=298

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/man-killed-by-single-punch-suffered-severe-trauma-to-head-3026977.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/murder-charge-after-punch-to-head-20100223-os55.html

If you repeatedly slam someone's head into concrete, you can definitely kill them. Seriously, get a clue before posting.

You might want to get a clue of your own.
As you say"People die all the time from single punches to the head because they become unconscious and their heads hit concrete hard.
Which was the point I made...he wasn't unconscious...he didn't go unconscious...he didn't even suffer a concusion...it doesn't even look as though he has a bump on his head...just some scratches...more like pavement burns from rubbing against it.
I've pesonally witnessed thousands of fights, so I do have some idea of what I am talking about...though you seem to be an expert with your google fingers. Rolling Eyes

And people don't die all the time from single punches to the head.
In fact, it is exceedingly rare for that to happen..that's why it makes the news.
Get a clue...physician heal thyself.

So if someone is sitting on top of you banging your head into the concrete there is absolutely no chance that you might be knocked unconscious? Please...

Also, great article here about the way this incident is being exploited:

Quote:

or the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton, for the increasingly redundant civil rights establishment, for liberal blacks and the broader American left, the poetic truth that white racism is somehow the real culprit in this tragedy is redemption itself. The reason Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have become such disreputable figures on our cultural landscape is that they are such quick purveyors of poetic truth rather than literal truth.

The great trick of poetic truth is to pass itself off as the deep and essential truth so that hard facts that refute it must be dismissed in the name of truth. O.J. Simpson was innocent by the poetic truth that the justice system is stacked against blacks. Trayvon was a victim of racist stereotyping�though the shooter never mentioned his race until asked to do so.

There is now a long litany of racial dust-ups�from Tawana Brawley to the Duke University lacrosse players to the white Cambridge police officer who arrested Harvard professor Skip Gates a summer ago�in which the poetic truth of white racism and black victimization is invoked so that the actual truth becomes dismissible as yet more racism.

When the Cambridge cop or the Duke lacrosse players or the men accused of raping Tawana Brawley tried to defend themselves, they were already so stained by poetic truth as to never be entirely redeemed. No matter the facts�whether Trayvon Martin was his victim or his assailant�George Zimmerman will also never be entirely redeemed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323691134926300.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:04 am Post subject:

asylum seeker wrote:

So if someone is sitting on top of you banging your head into the concrete there is absolutely no chance that you might be knocked unconscious? Please...

So...now it's gone from certain death to a possibility of being knocked unconscious.
Back peddle much? Please...lol.
Enough said.

Swampfox10mm

Joined: 24 Mar 2011

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:38 am Post subject:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

asylum seeker wrote:

So if someone is sitting on top of you banging your head into the concrete there is absolutely no chance that you might be knocked unconscious? Please...

So...now it's gone from certain death to a possibility of being knocked unconscious.
Back peddle much? Please...lol.
Enough said.

In any case, the law is clear enough.

As mentioned before -- 2nd prosecutor on the case, and we still have no arrest after they've reviewed the files.

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:11 am Post subject:

Swampfox10mm wrote:

In any case, the law is clear enough.

Good grief...what are you on about?
I wasn't making any point about any particular rule of law in my post. Rolling Eyes

I am simply saying...and hope it is simple enough...that there is at least a possibility that Zimmerman is lying.

Privateer wrote:

Bill Maher shows footage of Zimmerman shortly after his statement that he had been punched in the nose and had his head cracked on the pavement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzdXcjM1F6c&feature=related

No sign of blood. Seems like a lie.

From about 30 seconds into that clip...Bill Maher says it simply enough.

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:20 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Well according to some on here, Trayvon is a "thug". If indeed he truly is a thug, then obviously he should be able to spot a piece.

I don't know who told you that, but that's horribly wrong. CCW classes teach people to wear baggy shirts / jackets / windbreakers to conceal their weapons, and the clothes tend to do a damn good job at it. Unless you're close to someone carrying, have a lot of experience in identifying the slightly different way a gun butt catches clothing, are in an environment with good lighting and clear visibility, and are actually paying attention to see if a gun is present, not even a 'thug' will 'be able to spot a piece.' If the jacket Zimmerman is seen wearing at the police station is the same one he was wearing at the time of the killing, then it's not even remotely likely that Trayvon knew he was carrying before the gun was revealed.

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

The human body can take all kinds of wonderful punishment.
Zimmerman has at best a few scratches on the back of his head...they look more like rug burn.
He didn't even have a concussion...didn't lose consciousness...was in no way a threat to his life...except for the gun...which was his.

Please tell me you're joking and that you don't really think that having your head smashed into the concrete isn't life-threatening. There's no difference between that and someone picking up a chunk of concrete and cracking someone across the head with it. Now, if you think Zimmerman's head wasn't being smashed into the concrete, that's one thing. But what you've written above is nonsense.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject:

Speaking of classes - it was reported that the neighbourhood watch classes that were conducted by the police in the area specifically stated that ppl should not follow suspects, and should not arm themselves when patrolling. I wonder if there's evidence that Zimmerman attended.

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject:

geldedgoat wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Show me where I said that having your head smashed into the concrete isn't life-threatening.

Having your head smashed into pavement could be life threatening, if that is indeed what was happening.
I didn't say it wasn't. This is getting pathetic.

I have said a few times now, I believe that Zimmerman is lying.
He doesn't have any bumps on his head...which he would have if his head was being smashed into pavement.
He has at best something that looks like scratches...or more specifically...pavement(rug) burns from rubbing against it.
I have written that more than once.

I believe the only threat to his life was the gun he was carrying.
Which I do believe Zimmerman says as well...something along the lines that the gun became exposed and he feared Martin would get it...so he used it first.
The media has distorted the facts so much that trying to piece this together is impossible.
But I do think there is room for the possibility that Zimmerman is lying.

I hope that is clear enough for you. Rolling Eyes

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Show me where I said that having your head smashed into the concrete isn't life-threatening.

I already did. Or did you not see the bold type up there?

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject:

geldedgoat wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Show me where I said that having your head smashed into the concrete isn't life-threatening.

I already did. Or did you not see the bold type up there?

I saw it...and you have reading problems.
The human body can take all kinds of wonderful punishment - ie...can easily withstand minor scratches and pavement burns from rubbing on the pavement
- his head was not being smashed into the pavement....get it?
"Zimmerman has at best a few scratches on the back of his head...they look more like rug burn.
He didn't even have a concussion...didn't lose consciousness...was in no way a threat to his life..."
Demonstrating yet again...that his head was not being smashed into the pavement.

Although at this point, it seems obvious you are just trolling.
Have fun with that.

ontheway

Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:02 am Post subject:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Show me where I said that having your head smashed into the concrete isn't life-threatening.

OK. Here it is. This is where your statement started.

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

ontheway wrote:

Zimmerman had a bloody nose, maybe broken. His head was bloodied on the back from being smashed against the pavement - another hard wack and he would have been dead..

Yes...of course...one more wack...and dead...for sure...no doubt about it.

Have you ever been in a fight?
The human body can take all kinds of wonderful punishment.
Zimmerman has at best a few scratches on the back of his head...they look more like rug burn.
He didn't even have a concussion...didn't lose consciousness...was in no way a threat to his life...except for the gun...which was his.

Your statment in response to mine certainly seems to say that you think having one's head smashed into the pavement isn't life threatening. You make fun of the idea that one more hard whack could cause death. You insist that the human body can withstand great amounts of punishment.

Nice to see that you now deny what you originally said.

My guess is your opinion was based on too much Holywood fiction and a lack of real world gore. True, movie characters often survive and continue to fight after amazing beatings.

The gory truth is that the human body is complex and delicate. Sometimes humans survive what would normally bring certain death due to amazing luck against long odds.

The facts are that a single blow can cause instant death even when very little damage can be seen. Even just shaking a human without any blow at all can cause an internal concussion and death. A single blow can split a head open to the bone. A single blow can fracture a skull. A single blow can break a head and skull into pieces. Depends on physics and biology, the hardness of the surface, the angle of the head against the surface...

Martin was more than strong enough to inflict death with one blow.

One more blow could easily have meant death. Another hard whack and Zimmerman would certainly have been dead.

At that point in time it's obvious that Martin was in a position to murder Zimmerman. Zimmerman had every reason to expect to die ... unless he stopped Martin's attack.

Martin was never attacked. We can tell. He didn't have a mark on him. There was no reason for Martin to attack Zimmerman, yet he obviously did.

So, Zimmerman defended his life. He stopped Martin. Martin deserved to die.

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 am Post subject:

^Better disingenuous than stupid, I suppose.

actionjackson

Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject:

ontheway wrote:

There was no reason for Martin to attack Zimmerman, yet he obviously did.

You mean besides the one where he was being followed by a guy with a gun?

comm

Joined: 22 Jun 2010

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject:

actionjackson wrote:

ontheway wrote:

There was no reason for Martin to attack Zimmerman, yet he obviously did.

You mean besides the one where he was being followed by a guy with a gun?

So you're arguing that it's both legal and reasonable to attack someone you think is following you (since there's no way Martin could know Z had a gun)?
Zimmerman says that he lost Martin, but Martin approached HIM as Z was on his way to his car. Would M still be justified in attacking in that case?

I don't think Martin deserved to die, but I believe he was at fault for initiating the physical violence. While following someone at night isn't usually a good idea, there is no evidence or witness that says Zimmerman did anything morally or legally wrong.

So while the emotionally-charged masses may want to justify Martin's attack, or demonize Zimmerman's defense while he was being attacked, or wish there was a witness saying that Z attacked M first... None of those things are going to happen.

What we have to look forward to now is the decision not to indict Zimmerman and the consequences. The media, happy to stoke the fires of racial hatred until now, will desperately pull back to avoid moral responsibility for the resulting social unrest.

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