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THIS is how you handle Somali pirates
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:19 am    Post subject: THIS is how you handle Somali pirates Reply with quote

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e2_1333668975

More ships adopt these measures, and the job of pirating in the waters off of Somalia will become far less popular...
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few reasons they don't do so. For one, guns have traditionally been kept off ships to prevent mutinies. Secondly, it's insanely expensive to hire private security guards, as compared to the actual chance of being high jacked. Jay Bahadur's The Pirates of Somalia addresses this in-depth. IIRC, ship owners are also generally concerned with escalating conflicts that generally end peacefully.
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jfromtheway



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy video, it appears they blazed those guys pretty good. Reminded me of this story for no real reason:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1848772,00.html

It's funny to consider a pirate-based, anarchist state like Somalia obtaining tanks, even if their only worth was the extortion price others would pay for Somalia not having them. And, that was a very interesting story within itself.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
There are a few reasons they don't do so. For one, guns have traditionally been kept off ships to prevent mutinies. Secondly, it's insanely expensive to hire private security guards, as compared to the actual chance of being high jacked. Jay Bahadur's The Pirates of Somalia addresses this in-depth. IIRC, ship owners are also generally concerned with escalating conflicts that generally end peacefully.


Surely the risk of "mutiny" is pretty miniscule compared to the risk of having to pay multimillions of dollars in ransom..?
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely this is actually the better way to stop pirates.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/05/were_winning_this_fight

"Seven months later, Mogadishu is a city transformed. Yesterday's attack on myself, the country's government, and the nation's media was unusual. There is no doubt that compared to a year ago, Somalis are more confident of security and of their future. Don't just take my word for it. Actions speak louder than words: Somalis from the diaspora are flocking back to help rebuild the nation and start new enterprises. Business is resuming in earnest -- new shops, markets, hotels, hospitals, restaurants, and caf�s are opening. From soccer to basketball, recreation and public entertainment is resuming across neighborhoods. To the delight of the city, musical concerts are taking place again. The seaport is busier than ever; the airport is receiving more international flights than it has for years. Foreign VIPs, such as the Turkish prime minister, the British foreign secretary, and the German development minister among many others have been welcomed visitors in recent months. And earlier this year, the United Nations Political Office for Somalia decided to move its core staff to Mogadishu after 17 years of operating from Nairobi, a genuine vote of confidence in the future of Somalia. We hope that other organizations, agencies, and embassies will follow the UN's example."
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catman



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably pretty expensive to keep private security on the ships.
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
northway wrote:
There are a few reasons they don't do so. For one, guns have traditionally been kept off ships to prevent mutinies. Secondly, it's insanely expensive to hire private security guards, as compared to the actual chance of being high jacked. Jay Bahadur's The Pirates of Somalia addresses this in-depth. IIRC, ship owners are also generally concerned with escalating conflicts that generally end peacefully.


Surely the risk of "mutiny" is pretty miniscule compared to the risk of having to pay multimillions of dollars in ransom..?


The sum is greater than the parts.
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ajosshi



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
Probably pretty expensive to keep private security on the ships.


Several of my friends work in the ME and S. America. It's 10k USD/week for each guy, with a min. of 4 guys. On on ship like that, it'd be 8 to 12 guys.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered why more ships didn't hire PMCs. Or even just buy guns.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An AK47 costs like $350+ in the USA. Those guys appear to be using AR-15's in 5.57 Nato. Can be had for $700 and up, roughly. A captain and just one other guy could hold off pirates in open boats like that. Being so high above the pirates is a ludicrously huge positive advantage.

You don't really even need to hire security crew.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still seems cheaper than the potential losses.

/shrug
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
northway wrote:
There are a few reasons they don't do so. For one, guns have traditionally been kept off ships to prevent mutinies. Secondly, it's insanely expensive to hire private security guards, as compared to the actual chance of being high jacked. Jay Bahadur's The Pirates of Somalia addresses this in-depth. IIRC, ship owners are also generally concerned with escalating conflicts that generally end peacefully.


Surely the risk of "mutiny" is pretty miniscule compared to the risk of having to pay multimillions of dollars in ransom..?


It raises the question of why they are afraid of mutiny. H'arrggh Cap'n Bligh!
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
An AK47 costs like $350+ in the USA. Those guys appear to be using AR-15's in 5.57 Nato. Can be had for $700 and up, roughly. A captain and just one other guy could hold off pirates in open boats like that. Being so high above the pirates is a ludicrously huge positive advantage.

You don't really even need to hire security crew.


You could get them even cheaper in other countries although I wouldn't be sure of the quality. Get a few MGs with enough ammo and I imagine a ship could hold off a pirate boat. Saw a Korean doc about the UDT guys there and the showed a few bursts from a 50 cal sends them all running.
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Davidbcnu



Joined: 29 Feb 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: tough time Reply with quote

Somali pirates are sure a problem over there.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Swampfox10mm wrote:
An AK47 costs like $350+ in the USA. Those guys appear to be using AR-15's in 5.57 Nato. Can be had for $700 and up, roughly. A captain and just one other guy could hold off pirates in open boats like that. Being so high above the pirates is a ludicrously huge positive advantage.

You don't really even need to hire security crew.


You could get them even cheaper in other countries although I wouldn't be sure of the quality. Get a few MGs with enough ammo and I imagine a ship could hold off a pirate boat. Saw a Korean doc about the UDT guys there and the showed a few bursts from a 50 cal sends them all running.


What makes you think that your average sailor is gung ho about getting into a gun fight with pirates?
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