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Application asking if I've been Charged...Convicted or Not

 
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Application asks if you were ever "charged" with a crime? CBC is clear. What should you say?
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jasonXkeller



Joined: 17 Jan 2012
Location: Redlands, CA

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:16 pm    Post subject: Application asking if I've been Charged...Convicted or Not Reply with quote

Suppose someone I know is applying for a public school job. His or her FBI CBC is clear. His or her local CBC is clear, but about 14 years ago, they were charged with carrying a concealed firearm in their car. The charges were dismissed.

Not me, of course, but said person, is quite concerned about his or her application asking if they have ever been charged with a crime, whether or not they were convicted.

I am inclined to advise this person, that, if indeed, your cbc show no arrest record that you should answer No on the application. First, on principal. Anyone can be charged with anything. How can one be judged by something that they were simply accused of? At least in this person's country, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Second, I think they are bluffing. It seems like an interrogation tactic to find information that would otherwise be nearly impossible obtain(they did this to us in the military). They already had the applicant pay for a CBC. The FBI will not be forthcoming with any more information for them and it seems unlikely that they would pay for additional overseas background checks.

If it were not for the nature of the charges, and the assumptions that accompany them, I would advise this person to just be honest but I can't see the sense in them missing out on a job opportunity over something they were charged with, but not convicted of, over 14 years ago. Especially if the employer will likely not look, and could not find if they did, any information about their case.

Do you think this is good advice? Why/Why not?
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mwalls



Joined: 25 Aug 2011
Location: WA, USA--soon to be Namhae

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your initial feeling, that with a clear CBC and a mere accusation your friend should say no. I know I would.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF it doesn't show on the FBI check then the answer is NO.
Immigration doesn't care as long as the FBI check is clean and has an apostille on it.

If "your friend" answers anything else they will NOT get a job - full stop and end of discussion.

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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the national CBC is clear then its clear.

That means your friend can answer "no" to the question and be on his or her way.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you friend wants to be a liar, might as well just pick up a PHd at a Thai degree farm and start applying to unis.

The FBI CBC has nothing to do with whether or not you want to lie on some other form, it only says if you have a conviction or arrest record with the FBI. Being charged is completely different than an arrest or conviction.

If he was charged at some point in his life, and he states on the form that he was never charged, that makes your friend a liar.
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jasonXkeller



Joined: 17 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The oracle as spoken! Thank you @ttompatz and all who voted. I will assure "my friend" that the advice I've given is bona fide.
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jasonXkeller



Joined: 17 Jan 2012
Location: Redlands, CA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildbore wrote:
If you friend wants to be a liar, might as well just pick up a PHd at a Thai degree farm and start applying to unis.

The FBI CBC has nothing to do with whether or not you want to lie on some other form, it only says if you have a conviction or arrest record with the FBI. Being charged is completely different than an arrest or conviction.

If he was charged at some point in his life, and he states on the form that he was never charged, that makes your friend a liar.


You're cute, but empathy is obviously not your strength. And my friend is a liar, but he is not seeking a position he is not qualified for. He only wishes to avoid being judged for something he was accused of but did not do, many years ago.

You are correct that being charged is indeed different than an arrest of conviction. Suppose you were charged with some crime when you were innocent. Rape, lets call it. And suppose many years later, you were seeking a new job and a new life as a Korean ESL teacher. You did not rape anyone, mind you. You were exonerated and the charges were dismissed. Now suppose, this prospective hagwon owner asks you, not whether you have ever been convicted of a crime, but whether you have ever been charged with one. I'm sure in all of you puritanical wisdom, you would just be honest and resign yourself to panhandling and living on the streets, maintaining your superior morality, because, lets face it, no one will hire even an accused rapist. Bravo.

And you can't puff your indignant chest and claim, "Well, I'm a decent person, and decent people don't find themselves in that position." You could be. Any of us could be. Just like my friend was. But you're right; he's a filthy liar, a breaker of the commandments, a deceiver, a fink, and an all around scoundrel. Somehow I don't think, at the end of life, he'll look back and wish he had just been honest about that question on his EPIK application.
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