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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Dual passports as a Korean are not impossible to have.
It is just not recognized by the Korean governement. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| [Homer hit the nail on the head. This is a troll... but please Dave's users, keep telling us how fundamentally righteous it is to rat a person out. Illegals hurt all of us, especialy those with fake degrees. I can't count how many people I know that do privates and I am sure TUM knows/knew lots too. Just go keep legitamizing being a rat phink in this hypothetical farse and show your true colors. |
"Illegals hurt all of us, especially those with fake degrees."
Wait, I'm a little confused. Are you being sarcastic, (which would be silly, as people with fake degrees HAVE made it tougher for the rest of us with having to provide transcripts that are no older than three months and the degree verification thing...not to mention other requirements that may crop up) or are you being serious...which your last sentence would seem to contradict?
I don't know or have known ANYONE with an E-2 visa who does privates. Though they may, they keep quiet about it. I don't know why that's hard to believe. One tends to surround oneself with people who share similar views...and anyway the vast majority of my friends are on F-2 visas...in fact I only know one E-2 visa person who I count as a friend and he doesn't do them as far as I know. |
Not contradictory, fake degrees and privates are two entirely different acts. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| [Homer hit the nail on the head. This is a troll... but please Dave's users, keep telling us how fundamentally righteous it is to rat a person out. Illegals hurt all of us, especialy those with fake degrees. I can't count how many people I know that do privates and I am sure TUM knows/knew lots too. Just go keep legitamizing being a rat phink in this hypothetical farse and show your true colors. |
"Illegals hurt all of us, especially those with fake degrees."
Wait, I'm a little confused. Are you being sarcastic, (which would be silly, as people with fake degrees HAVE made it tougher for the rest of us with having to provide transcripts that are no older than three months and the degree verification thing...not to mention other requirements that may crop up) or are you being serious...which your last sentence would seem to contradict?
I don't know or have known ANYONE with an E-2 visa who does privates. Though they may, they keep quiet about it. I don't know why that's hard to believe. One tends to surround oneself with people who share similar views...and anyway the vast majority of my friends are on F-2 visas...in fact I only know one E-2 visa person who I count as a friend and he doesn't do them as far as I know. |
Not contradictory, fake degrees and privates are two entirely different acts. |
I think he was refering to the "fake degree" joke in your post |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is that there is a market for it, and it isn't something like killing people or selling drugs. |
Lovely argument there.
So because it is not murder it should be ok to break the law.
Heck...shoplifting is not murder either so out with that.
Wait..what about fraud? Thats ok too since its not drug traffic....
All sarcasm aside, anyway you want to cut it, privates for most visa holders are illegal. You choose to them , then be ready to accept the consequences should you get busted. No crying, no whining, no playing the martyr. Take your medecine like an adult.
It then becomes a choice to break a law. You may not agree with the law, but that does not exclude you from it. |
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nora
Joined: 14 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Resurrecting this one...
anyone reported someone? I know someone who is engaging in some really unethical behavior (use your imagination, it's probably right). on one hand, i believe in karma and feel that ratting out another foreigner is bad karma. on the other hand, i think that what he/she is doing is bad enough that reporting them would be good karma.
anyway, reporting people to immigration. who's done it, how'd it go, anything I should know? |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone reported a Korean?
Let's say a Hagwon that pimps out its English teacher to a Korean kindy. The kindy is owned by the same owner, and the foreigner (usually new to Korea and ignorant about laws like this) has been lied to and told the business is one business and that working at both is legal. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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reporting hagwons and collecting the reward has become the "thing to do" these days for koreans who are down on their luck. i've not seen much on it in the english papers, but my wife shows me all the news in korean and translates. there are very strict laws that have been passed in regards to the closing time of hagwans and the amount they are allowed to charge. many hagwans see these laws as more of suggestions than laws and ignore. koreans who need some quick cash pose as students or parents of students, collect evidence, then cash in on the rewards.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/04/123_109084.html
btw, this phenomena of cashing in on other's misdeeds is not only relegated to hagwans. if you ever see somebody hanging around with a camera, there is a good chance it's not his hobby, but rather his new way of making money, snapping photos of anyone littering, making an illegal u turn, jaywalking, you name it. rewards vary from a few manwon to several million, 5 mil in the case of reporting hagwans. i recall seeing or reading an interview with one of these people. the guy seemed genuinely sorry for snitching on pedestrians and such, but explained that he had no other way to make a living these days. he also said he now ONLY reports on hagwans as thats where the big money is and has made several tens of millions this year alone doing so.
if you don't beleive me. ask a korean.  BIG OPPA IS WATCHING U
ps. the funny thing is your boss could go a whole year without paying into your pension, medical, or taxes, not pay your severence, and all you can do is lodge a complaint. in theory, you could report your boss if he is in violation of staying open past curfew or charging too much, and recoup some of your losses(5,000,000). don't know if this has ever been done by a foreigner or how a foreigner would be recieved in reporting any violations. but technically, if the reward is available to a korean, it has to be available for foreigners as well, otherwise it would be violating laws against racism. 
Shylock;"i shall have my bond!", from the merchant of venice, by william shakespeare |
Absolutely despicable. A constant complaint I hear from Koreans, students and others (apart from my good Korean friend) is why people speak so well about the Japanese and why their image is better etc, and why foreigners bag Korea on the net and when they go back to their home countries.
The post above is a good example of why. It has all the elements of grassing (snitching), privacy invasion, sly behaviour etc that most foreigners except arze licking apologists despise, and an acceptance of authoritarianism as normal.
Tell people who haven't worked in Korea about the reward for grassing on people teaching privates and they are astonished that such an activity which does nothing but offer English lessons for lower prices in a society where Koreans pay absurd prices for language learning is criminalised. All the kneeling and forelock tugging by the apologists and their rants about 'the law' doesn't cut any ice regarding just how absurd the law is.
I don't teach privates but I tell the Koreans who have approached me (ajummas and adjosshis) to leave me alone as I know what they're up to.
My, Korea, Nation of Slimey Snitches, what a wonderful image. They have themselves to blame for yet another instance of behaviour that is regarded by non Koreans and some Koreans as intrusive, unwarranted, and antidemocratic. Epic fail Korea - another reason why the complaints about Korean atittudes far exceed the praise for Korea. They never learn, do they, especially for people so obsessed with the image of Korea - "Why you not understand Korean culture?" as so many constantly whinge to foreigners working with them.
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Edited because double post.
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Edited because of double post. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes I wonder which there is more of in terms of sheer abundance of words on this site:
(a) actual defences of Korea by foreigners, or
(b) pre-emptive hypothetical defences of Korea made up by those who, apparently, really, really hate "apologists" so that they have something to argue against and work themselves up over.
In fact, it's almost self-sustaining. Every foreigner who likes any aspect of Korea could stop posting forever and threads would still generate long, heated discussions where people first make up the apologist position and then rag on it. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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reporting hagwons and collecting the reward has become the "thing to do" these days for koreans who are down on their luck. i've not seen much on it in the english papers, but my wife shows me all the news in korean and translates. there are very strict laws that have been passed in regards to the closing time of hagwans and the amount they are allowed to charge. many hagwans see these laws as more of suggestions than laws and ignore. koreans who need some quick cash pose as students or parents of students, collect evidence, then cash in on the rewards.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/04/123_109084.html
btw, this phenomena of cashing in on other's misdeeds is not only relegated to hagwans. if you ever see somebody hanging around with a camera, there is a good chance it's not his hobby, but rather his new way of making money, snapping photos of anyone littering, making an illegal u turn, jaywalking, you name it. rewards vary from a few manwon to several million, 5 mil in the case of reporting hagwans. i recall seeing or reading an interview with one of these people. the guy seemed genuinely sorry for snitching on pedestrians and such, but explained that he had no other way to make a living these days. he also said he now ONLY reports on hagwans as thats where the big money is and has made several tens of millions this year alone doing so.
if you don't beleive me. ask a korean. BIG OPPA IS WATCHING U
ps. the funny thing is your boss could go a whole year without paying into your pension, medical, or taxes, not pay your severence, and all you can do is lodge a complaint. in theory, you could report your boss if he is in violation of staying open past curfew or charging too much, and recoup some of your losses(5,000,000). don't know if this has ever been done by a foreigner or how a foreigner would be recieved in reporting any violations. but technically, if the reward is available to a korean, it has to be available for foreigners as well, otherwise it would be violating laws against racism.
Shylock;"i shall have my bond!", from the merchant of venice, by william shakespeare |
I remember a few years back it was also in the English news a lot.
In addition to catching late night hogwons, it was common for a while (or maybe it still is) to snap photos of foreigners coming in and out of hogwons and then check with immi to see if the hogwon was legally employing the person. I once saw a guy doing that (same guy on more than one occasion too). One day when I saw him blatantly standing across the road trying to look casual while he quickly snapped photos, I went out the back door and in a roundabout way crossed the road and came up behind him and grabbed his camera. I told him that if i ever saw him spying on me again, I'd stuff the camera down his throat (and then I threw the camera into the park). He looked really shaken up and kept apologizing. I was pretty angry though so I didn't really care how badly he needed the money.
I'm sure that the first thing he did was check with immigration to see if he could report me and the hogwon, but I was totally legal so he probably figured it was best to move along and stalk someone else.
Apparently, you can also make a bit of money by snapping photos of traffic accident. Personally I haven't seen this but most Koreans that I know say that it's common for some people to give their granny a digital camera and sit her in an area where minor accidents often happen. She takes photos whenever she sees stuff happen. If the drivers leave without telling the police then she (or her son/grandson) takes the photos to the police and gets a reward. If the police do arrive, they might still pay for the photos. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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nora
Joined: 14 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, not looking to make any money here.
Specifically, I'd like to know have any of YOU actually reported someone?
If so, can you do it without giving a name? We have many mutual acquaintances and I'd rather be in a position where my name comes out somehow and I get burned? I'd also like to avoid turning this person in and having immigration say "gee, why don't we check out the gal who turned this person in? Maybe SHE'S into ... too! |
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