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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: Big dog in Seoul? |
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Do any posters have a large dog? My wife and I would love to get a dog (or two!), but we live in Seoul, don't like small dogs, and don't want to move to the countryside.
Regarding size, the minimum for me would be a Jindo-sized dog, though I grew up with Labradors and prefer dogs like that.
While wandering around side streets I sometimes see houses with small yards in Seoul among all the (ugly, red brick) villas. Does anyone have any experience renting or even buying one of those? Is it possible? I see a fair number of them, but real estate agents only seem to have listings for monolithic apartments, officetels and the aforementioned villas.
There are lots of people in other large cities I've visited who manage large dog-ownership with small yards and frequent exercise (downtown Toronto and Manhattan, for example), so I'm hoping it's possible in Seoul too. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| I had a jindo-gae when I lived there. Even though it is a national treasure and was a total non-threatining dog, so many people were still scared to death of her. I did get the occasional "Oh! jindo-gae" comments, but that wasn't the norm. It's tough to have a larger dog in Seoul. Aside from many people being scared of them, there just isn't much convenient public green space. I have a German Pointer here in Shanghai. Many Chinese have dogs, and large breeds at that (Golden Retriever, German Shepherd, etc...). Chinese don't seem bothered by large dogs. Also, there is green space everywhere for the dog to get out and run around and play. Good luck; hopefully you can make it work. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| From what I've heard about the houses, even though they're ugly, they are usually really expensive. People also keep them forever... My fiance's parents live in one and have been there for almost 30 years... it's also a point of pride that they live there... This is probably why you can't find them at the real estate agents. This is in Daegu, but I would imagine it would be even more expensive in Seoul... |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| I had a jindo-gae when I lived there. Even though it is a national treasure and was a total non-threatining dog, so many people were still scared to death of her. I did get the occasional "Oh! jindo-gae" comments, but that wasn't the norm. It's tough to have a larger dog in Seoul. Aside from many people being scared of them, there just isn't much convenient public green space. I have a German Pointer here in Shanghai. Many Chinese have dogs, and large breeds at that (Golden Retriever, German Shepherd, etc...). Chinese don't seem bothered by large dogs. Also, there is green space everywhere for the dog to get out and run around and play. Good luck; hopefully you can make it work. |
That is when the Chinese government isn't going on a rampage killing large dogs who could possibly spread rabies. They seemed to be doing that often when I was in BJ and Shanghai. But you have some great points!! The populous in China is much more big friendly.
I have a question: did you have a car while you were in Korea? I also am planning on getting a pretty large dog and wonder how transportation will be. I think I'll be forced to get a car or did you wing it some other way? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| I had a jindo-gae when I lived there. Even though it is a national treasure and was a total non-threatining dog, so many people were still scared to death of her. I did get the occasional "Oh! jindo-gae" comments, but that wasn't the norm. It's tough to have a larger dog in Seoul. Aside from many people being scared of them, there just isn't much convenient public green space. I have a German Pointer here in Shanghai. Many Chinese have dogs, and large breeds at that (Golden Retriever, German Shepherd, etc...). Chinese don't seem bothered by large dogs. Also, there is green space everywhere for the dog to get out and run around and play. Good luck; hopefully you can make it work. |
That is when the Chinese government isn't going on a rampage killing large dogs who could possibly spread rabies. They seemed to be doing that often when I was in BJ and Shanghai. But you have some great points!! The populous in China is much more big friendly.
I have a question: did you have a car while you were in Korea? I also am planning on getting a pretty large dog and wonder how transportation will be. I think I'll be forced to get a car or did you wing it some other way? |
Wow! Didn't realize that happens. I know that certain breeds aren't allowed within certain parts of the city. You are supposed to register your dogs with the local police (proof of rabies shots) for your area at a cost (which I highly doubt locals do). My dog has all of his shots on a yearly basis, but I haven't registered him.
Yes, I did have a car in Korea. It made things a bit better, but it still was far from convenient. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Everytime the topic of dogs come up, people talk about how Koreans are terrified of big dogs. Am I the only one not seeing this? I've seen nothing but Koreans exclaim how cute a huge dog is minus this one girl I know who was traumatized by a dog attack when she was a kid. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Everytime the topic of dogs come up, people talk about how Koreans are terrified of big dogs. Am I the only one not seeing this? I've seen nothing but Koreans exclaim how cute a huge dog is minus this one girl I know who was traumatized by a dog attack when she was a kid. |
We've certainly had different experiences. You ever owned a big dog in Seoul? |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I have a american pitbull in seoul. Some of the reactions are funny and some love her. I had a girl not get on the elevator one time  |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| soomin wrote: |
| From what I've heard about the houses, even though they're ugly, they are usually really expensive. People also keep them forever... My fiance's parents live in one and have been there for almost 30 years... it's also a point of pride that they live there... This is probably why you can't find them at the real estate agents. This is in Daegu, but I would imagine it would be even more expensive in Seoul... |
I was afraid of that. I'm going to keep looking, but if not, my dog days will have to wait until a time I don't live in an apartment (there's no way I'd get a large dog without at least a little outdoor space). |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| I had a jindo-gae when I lived there. Even though it is a national treasure and was a total non-threatining dog, so many people were still scared to death of her. I did get the occasional "Oh! jindo-gae" comments, but that wasn't the norm. It's tough to have a larger dog in Seoul. Aside from many people being scared of them, there just isn't much convenient public green space. I have a German Pointer here in Shanghai. Many Chinese have dogs, and large breeds at that (Golden Retriever, German Shepherd, etc...). Chinese don't seem bothered by large dogs. Also, there is green space everywhere for the dog to get out and run around and play. Good luck; hopefully you can make it work. |
That is when the Chinese government isn't going on a rampage killing large dogs who could possibly spread rabies. They seemed to be doing that often when I was in BJ and Shanghai. But you have some great points!! The populous in China is much more big friendly.
I have a question: did you have a car while you were in Korea? I also am planning on getting a pretty large dog and wonder how transportation will be. I think I'll be forced to get a car or did you wing it some other way? |
Wow! Didn't realize that happens. I know that certain breeds aren't allowed within certain parts of the city. You are supposed to register your dogs with the local police (proof of rabies shots) for your area at a cost (which I highly doubt locals do). My dog has all of his shots on a yearly basis, but I haven't registered him.
Yes, I did have a car in Korea. It made things a bit better, but it still was far from convenient. |
Thanks for the info.
Below are a few clippings regarding China's Small Dog Revolution（小狗改革) in recent years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9B7piOcbY Youtube, you probably can't open it in Shanghai unless you go through a portal. Country-wide campaign, 2008
http://dogpeople.tribe.net/thread/c2b58c31-58bf-4b4e-8fc0-e065c871ebc3 Isolated case claiming personally targeted, 2007. Blog
http://www.chinadailyapac.com/article/harbin-ban-big-dogs-stirs-howls-protest An unexpected ban on big dogs in Harbin, April 19, 2012 written in China Daily.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14139027/ns/health-pet_health/t/chinese-county-clubs-death-dogs/#.T7bJwWh1-E4 MSNBC article. Shanghai, 2006.
One thing to keep in mind, registering your pet has very little insurance that it's safe and there's a reason the locals avoid registering. Namely, China policies are fickle and often change with the wind. The local enforcers also seldom trust their own provisions or are either not on the same page or privy to national regulations, i.e. "Your animal was rabies free prior to registration, but that doesn't mean it is now" sort of mentality is rife with police and the enforcers there. Harbin just set a ban on big dogs (the registered animals are particular targets), which means Harbiners either have to have the dog taken away or move. Beijing used to have a policy against certain breeds as well, but when a person was bitten by a rabid dog, all those policies quickly became an all-out hunt for big dogs (all breeds). It happens. Just try to stay up to date with animal policies, because big dogs are often targets. (And hope that they eventually lose your registration in the system or you move without reregistering your animal's whereabouts.~~)
But in terms of social integration, you're correct! Big dogs don't really bother Chinese people much, which makes understanding regional and government policies against them even harder to swallow. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links and suggestions, rchristo. I remember researching a bit before I got Gator here last year. Shanghai had just implemented a one dog policy and had actually outlawed "dangerous" breeds.
http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/life/shanghais-one-dog-policy-goes-effect-sunday-274625
When I changed residences in December, my wife and I asked about registering Gator at the same time I was registering myself at my local PSB. When they asked what breed and heard the word "German" before "pointer" it threw up red flags. They have no idea what a German Pointer is here. My wife explained to them and they had no issues. Needless to say, we didn't register him (expensive to do so) and they didn't bother us to, even though it was obvious that we had a dog. So goes China.
My dog came from a large kennel outside of Shanghai that breeds and trains dogs for police, military, customs, etc...work for in-country and international clients. They have all kinds of large breeds there. Gator was being trained to be a "sniffer" dog, but he failed out, so they sold him to me at a discount, lol.
OP, let us know how the dog thing there works out for you. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
Thanks for the links and suggestions, rchristo. I remember researching a bit before I got Gator here last year. Shanghai had just implemented a one dog policy and had actually outlawed "dangerous" breeds.
http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/life/shanghais-one-dog-policy-goes-effect-sunday-274625
When I changed residences in December, my wife and I asked about registering Gator at the same time I was registering myself at my local PSB. When they asked what breed and heard the word "German" before "pointer" it threw up red flags. They have no idea what a German Pointer is here. My wife explained to them and they had no issues. Needless to say, we didn't register him (expensive to do so) and they didn't bother us to, even though it was obvious that we had a dog. So goes China.
My dog came from a large kennel outside of Shanghai that breeds and trains dogs for police, military, customs, etc...work for in-country and international clients. They have all kinds of large breeds there. Gator was being trained to be a "sniffer" dog, but he failed out, so they sold him to me at a discount, lol.
OP, let us know how the dog thing there works out for you. |
Thanks for the link. Love your dog's name! Gator! Now, that sounds like a big dog.
Oh, during my mental squirt, I forgot u didn't register. Good for you! (and for Gator).
I understand one family, one child policies were put in place to control overpopulation. But one family, one dog? Registering the animals won't necessarily help with making sure that these animals are treated better or even do much in terms of the dog population--esp. with the rise in the black market after starting the policy. But, such is China.~~
Yes, back on topic, OP good luck with your pet! |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links and suggestions, rchristo. I remember researching a bit before I got Gator here last year. Shanghai had just implemented a one dog policy and had actually outlawed "dangerous" breeds.
http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/life/shanghais-one-dog-policy-goes-effect-sunday-274625
When I changed residences in December, my wife and I asked about registering Gator at the same time I was registering myself at my local PSB. When they asked what breed and heard the word "German" before "pointer" it threw up red flags. They have no idea what a German Pointer is here. My wife explained to them and they had no issues. Needless to say, we didn't register him (expensive to do so) and they didn't bother us to, even though it was obvious that we had a dog. So goes China.
My dog came from a large kennel outside of Shanghai that breeds and trains dogs for police, military, customs, etc...work for in-country and international clients. They have all kinds of large breeds there. Gator was being trained to be a "sniffer" dog, but he failed out, so they sold him to me at a discount, lol.
OP, let us know how the dog thing there works out for you. |
Thanks for the link. Love your dog's name! Gator! Now, that sounds like a big dog.
Oh, during my mental squirt, I forgot u didn't register. Good for you! (and for Gator).
I understand one family, one child policies were put in place to control overpopulation. But one family, one dog? Registering the animals won't necessarily help with making sure that these animals are treated better or even do much in terms of the dog population--esp. with the rise in the black market after starting the policy. But, such is China.~~
Yes, back on topic, OP good luck with your pet! |
Quote from the article: "Under the new regulations, not only would a license for your (one) dog be cheaper, but owners would be required to leash their dog and clear up after it -- with fines of RMB 200 accompanying tickets."
I'm guessing by many of my fellow dog-owners actions in my neighborhood that they didn't get this memo. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Do you recommend two or one dog--if accommodating both is not problematic financially or space-wise?
Sorry, I'm off topic again, but generally curious since I don't have a dog yet and China's policy was brought up.
Wouldn't having more than one dog actually be healthier for the dog and the family? Why'd they make a one-dog policy instead of promoting two? I thought most dogs (esp. smaller breeds) are usually better if they grow up, live, and are trained in pairs being that the owners can't be there 24-7, no? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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We've certainly had different experiences. You ever owned a big dog in Seoul? |
Nah never owned a dog ever, unfortunately. But there are a few people who do in my area and I see the dogs all the time. This one bar right across the street has a yellow lab they let outside the establishment a lot of the time, and nobody seems scared by it. If anything people go over and pet it. This is only one of many instances I've seen people go over to a big dog to pet it. Maybe it's different in other parts of the country. I can say people in rural areas seem to care even less as they seem to have even more big dogs running around. |
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