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slothrop
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slothrop
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rollo
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If you owe 50 grand you probably have a civil action against you. If you owe the I.R.S 50 G's or more the government certainly has a right to pressure you to collect that money.
I find it offensive that someone would compare a basically a legal method to try to collect a debt to the raping torturing, slaughter of men and women by the nazis especially since it comes from a citizen of a country which denied sanctuary to jews that were trying to escape the nazi horror. You should be ashamed Harpeau. |
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northway
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| P.S. and if this law passes and could by extension be applied to student loans i think it would only be applied to those in default, obviously. |
Your lack of punctuation makes it difficult to discern what exactly you were trying to say, but why in the world do you think this would apply to student loans? |
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KimchiNinja
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| This is Nazi Germany all over! |
It may be worse this time, people learn from their mistakes and become more savvy at enslaving humanity. |
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motiontodismiss
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How do you have a right to EXIT (leave) if another country won't let you ENTER?
You need a passport. And a passport is not a right...it is technically government property and not your property. The government is just letting you use it for the time being but they can take their property back for whatever reason they deem fitting.
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You DO have a right to leave the country, but the destination country also has no obligation to let you enter, in which case they'd just send you back. If you refuse to go back to the states, you'll just be in immigration limbo at the airport. Not really sure what the legal status of the airside part of an airport terminal would be in various countries, but since in many airports in the US international and domestic flights board at the same terminals, you don't really need a passport to leave either. The fact that the airlines will deny you boarding is a separate issue altogether. |
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ttompatz
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So the US has now become one huge debtors prison. Welcome back to the early 19th century. And we all thought the US wasn't progressive.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
How do you have a right to EXIT (leave) if another country won't let you ENTER?
You need a passport. And a passport is not a right...it is technically government property and not your property. The government is just letting you use it for the time being but they can take their property back for whatever reason they deem fitting.
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You DO have a right to leave the country, but the destination country also has no obligation to let you enter, in which case they'd just send you back. If you refuse to go back to the states, you'll just be in immigration limbo at the airport. Not really sure what the legal status of the airside part of an airport terminal would be in various countries, but since in many airports in the US international and domestic flights board at the same terminals, you don't really need a passport to leave either. The fact that the airlines will deny you boarding is a separate issue altogether. |
Nope it's the same thing. If the airlines will not let you board without a passport or the destination country sends you back...your right to leave your country has been effectively nullified. If you are prevented from using a right...how can it BE a "right" in the first place? You have to have a passport to leave the country. If it were truly a right you wouldn't need one. |
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ThingsComeAround
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Yeah like paying taxes is a new concept that shocks people... 
I would buy popcorn and sit in the audience to watch any yahoo who tries to make the case that paying income tax is unconstitutional. That would be pure comedy! Heck put it on cable as one more reality show that highlights how moronic some people are....
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Glad you asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7bQ7wwGnQQ |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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ontheway
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Yeah like paying taxes is a new concept that shocks people...
I would buy popcorn and sit in the audience to watch any yahoo who tries to make the case that paying income tax is unconstitutional. That would be pure comedy! Heck put it on cable as one more reality show that highlights how moronic some people are....
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Glad you asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7bQ7wwGnQQ |
Thanks for posting that link. An important documentary I never got around to watching before. |
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Turd Ferguson
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[quote="PatrickGHBusan"]Yeah like paying taxes is a new concept that shocks people...
I would buy popcorn and sit in the audience to watch any yahoo who tries to make the case that paying income tax is unconstitutional. That would be pure comedy! Heck put it on cable as one more reality show that highlights how moronic some people are....
As for the nazi germany reference concerning the USA, I think some people are in dire need of either a history lesson or a trip to what an actual dictatorship is like.....[/quote]
Ya it is kinda new since there was no income tax for the first 150 yrs of the country's existance and when they started the income tax, it was about 2% and only for the very wealthy. |
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12ax7
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A passport is a privilege, you say?
Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
I guess some of you young American Republicans are too young to have known the Cold War. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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A passport is a privilege, you say?
Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
I guess some of you young American Republicans are too young to have known the Cold War. |
Yes a passport is a privilege
You have to pay to get one. And you have to meet certain criteria.
Everyone? So in theory a ten year old could just up and leave the country and the airport officials couldn't call the police and stop him?
Come now...we're all old enough to know the difference between some nice rhetoric and the reality.
The reality is that NO ONE has any RIGHT to ENTER another country that he or she is not a citizen of. Your entrance is permitted...it is not a RIGHT. |
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slothrop
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