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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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Children should be trained to eat until they're satisfied, and ONLY until they're satisfied and not a bite more. The "finish your meal" type policies only encourage overeating. And ramming your horrible cooking down your kids' throats only perpetuates their preference for McDonald's (believe it or not, healthy food can be made to taste good).
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no. this is called gluttony.
children should be given the standard caloric value that their bodies needs depending on their age and how active they are, and not a calorie more. maybe they will feel hungry still at first, but they will eventually get used to it and maybe, just maybe, it will promote proper eating in their futures. |
The problem is that the standard caloric value tends to vary wildly based on their activity level, weight, and other factors. One of the more dependable metrics seems to be "when you're satiated". |
a person's own opinion is perhaps one of the worst metrics for measure something like this. that is why most of the western world is turning into blobs. most people are weak, lazy, and if given a choice take the easiest route possible.
the standard caloric values for people is MUCH more reliable and a healthier metric than whether little jimmy has filled his gut enough to waddle on to next class without raiding his emergency deep-fried candy stash.
what schools should have is a governmentally mandated dedicated nutritionist for each school who takes care of making the energy intake of each grade in line with what they need to develop into healthy people. bam, schools no longer have to carry the cross of giving children diabetes and promoting obesity and it falls square on the shoulders of the children's parents, making them more aware and accountable. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Here something else to consider- Is giving students a choice a good idea? In my HS we had a choice and people chose to either eat nachos or French Fries drowned in ranch dressing or 3 slices of Domino's pizza. Either that or pile in the car and make a run to McD's/Wendy's/Arby's. What good is choice if its between a bunch of marginal food? I'd rather have forced seaweed soup and spinach and spicy fish than a choice between cafeteria nachos and pizza.
"But they need to learn how to make responsible choices". True, but before one can choose, one needs to be forced into swallowing enough healthy food that they can appreciate its effects on one's body. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
What good is choice if its between a bunch of marginal food? I'd rather have forced seaweed soup and spinach and spicy fish than a choice between cafeteria nachos and pizza.
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Neither option is all that healthy. The seaweed soup has way too much sodium and probably has a healthy serving of MSG and the spinach was probably cooked which causes nutrient loss, and the sauce on the fish probably has MSG in it. And the white rice that's served with all that....well that's all carbs. The nachos and pizza, self-explanatory. Honestly speaking, I'd say Japanese food is one of the healthiest of Asian cuisines. Very little seasoning, fresh ingredients, and most of all, eaten in VERY small portions.
Personally, I'd never touch spicy fish. If it smells bad or looks horrible, I'm not eating it.
As far as obesity in Korea goes, parents need to realize that a sandwich, pizza, hamburger, whatever, is a meal in and of itself, not a snack. And not every meal has to be accompanied by a giant bowl of rice or noodles. It's not even that good for you. A majority of people I've talked to who lost a significant amount of weight said that their diet consisted largely of fresh vegetables and lean protein such as tofu. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Neither option is all that healthy. The seaweed soup has way too much sodium and probably has a healthy serving of MSG and the spinach was probably cooked which causes nutrient loss, and the sauce on the fish probably has MSG in it. And the white rice that's served with all that....well that's all carbs. The nachos and pizza, self-explanatory. |
the amount of assumptions in this is astounding. seaweed soup has way too much sodium in comparison to what? a plate of nachos?... sodium is a vital nutrient for the human body. are you even sure it has as much as you think? also, seaweed NATURALLY has msg in it. do you even know how msg was discovered...?
as for white rice, carbohydrates are very necessary for people, especially growing children or anyone active at all. carbohydrates are important for metabolism and as an energy source. people who think carbs are bad really really need to do some research on them. you know why westerners think that they are so bad? because they lead sedentary lives. they drive everywhere, sit all day at chairs at work, on couches, watch a lot of tv, etc. if that energy is not used it will turn into fat.
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| Honestly speaking, I'd say Japanese food is one of the healthiest of Asian cuisines. Very little seasoning, fresh ingredients, and most of all, eaten in VERY small portions. |
i question whether you have even had any other asian cuisine in its native country besides korean and japanese. seasoning is bad for you? hardly. in fact, many seasonings such as pepper and garlic are very good for you.
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Personally, I'd never touch spicy fish. If it smells bad or looks horrible, I'm not eating it. |
this is another western way of thinking that disassociates them from their food, thus making them apathetic and able to tolerate the crap they call food. it's funny when people freak out over a whole fish but have no problem with pink goop chicken mcnuggets just because they don't look like the animal they come from. i guarantee before they had their ammonia bath, most of the things you enjoy smelled way worse than any dweng-jang jiggae ever did.
EDIT: food for thought: when you were a child did you enjoy coffee, tea, beer, whisky, etc. and think that they were delicious and smelled great? probably not. now do you?
*the more you know!*
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As far as obesity in Korea goes, parents need to realize that a sandwich, pizza, hamburger, whatever, is a meal in and of itself, not a snack. And not every meal has to be accompanied by a giant bowl of rice or noodles. It's not even that good for you. A majority of people I've talked to who lost a significant amount of weight said that their diet consisted largely of fresh vegetables and lean protein such as tofu. |
guess what the majority of a "sandwich, pizza, hamburger, whatever" is? bread, which is pretty similar to to how asians accompany many of their dishes with rice or noodles. have you noticed how most asians are very skinny yet they eat a lot of rice and noodles? this is not rocket science really.
rice and noodles, if in a balanced diet ARE good for you. i'm not even bringing potato chips into this discussion which are also a major part of a lot of american meals and are WAY worse for you than white rice or noodles could ever be.
moral of this story is:
do some research and fact checking before you spout off all this nonsense. almost every single thing you typed in your last response was either flat out wrong or very misinformed. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, I don't think the Korean offering was even close to the best looking thing there. I like Korean food, but that was some bargain basement crap on those trays. |
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Maserial
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: The Web
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| In my HS we had a choice and people chose to either eat nachos or French Fries drowned in ranch dressing or 3 slices of Domino's pizza. |
It's been fifteen years since I graduated high school, but I recall a similar situation myself. At lunch, students were presented with four lines, which consisted of:
1) traditional school lunch, rotating menu
2) slice of pizza accompanied by an order of French fries
3) hamburger line -single or double, with cheese and/or bacon offered- and French fries
4) snack line, consisting mostly of Little Debbie and Frito Lay products
Just for kicks, I looked up the current menu at said high school and it looks as if things haven't changed all that much. (link) |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Anyway, I don't think the Korean offering was even close to the best looking thing there. I like Korean food, but that was some bargain basement crap on those trays. |
This is true too. Some of the Korean cafeteria food I turn my nose up at. I got a few hurt stares and assumptions that I was going to Lotteria until they saw the delivery guy pull up with some KongGukSu or takeout from the AYCE Tuna place. Then the stares turned to envy and soon me and a few of the male teachers would ditch cafeteria lunch for a run out to some joint on days when we had crap soup. Even some genuine laughs and the Korean equivalent of "right ons" when I'd take one slurp of the soup, put it down, finish the side dishes and head out the door.
Good thing was the cafeteria lady wasn't even offended because we were new the same year and at lunch together we both picked out the processed ham, egg, and fish cake of our kimbap. She tries her best with the stuff she's given, but she can only do so much. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:38 am Post subject: |
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My high school boyfriend and I would leave school to pick up lunch from our favorite Chinese take-out place. He'd get meat and fried rice, but I got tofu in black-bean suace or steamed veggies with ginger sauce on the side, with either one served with brown rice.
On other days, I either packed lunch or opted for the school salad bar. We weren't some charter school, either, but that salad bar was nice. We had a nice selection of greens, reds, oranges, and yellows, all fresh, and there were several different dressings, including red wine vinegar with oil, which is a far cry from ranch. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| seaweed soup has way too much sodium in comparison to what? a plate of nachos?... sodium is a vital nutrient for the human body. are you even sure it has as much as you think? |
Uh yeah. It's even been on the news since forever that Koreans consume too much sodium, way more than what the WHO recommends. I think a large part of that has to do with Korean food having too much sodium in general. And at least a good part of this has to do with the excessive seasoning.
Seaweed has glutamate, not MSG. MSG is a chemical product created by a Japanese scientist. And it's been known to cause heart problems.
Sodium's not bad for you, in appropriate quantities. And those quantities are pretty small. A ramen flavor pack contains like twice the daily recommended amount. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Italy 1st - organic ingredients, Locally grown produce.
Brazil 2nd-
Korea, china, japan 3rd -I mean it's basically the same isn't |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| seaweed soup has way too much sodium in comparison to what? a plate of nachos?... sodium is a vital nutrient for the human body. are you even sure it has as much as you think? |
Uh yeah. It's even been on the news since forever that Koreans consume too much sodium, way more than what the WHO recommends. I think a large part of that has to do with Korean food having too much sodium in general. And at least a good part of this has to do with the excessive seasoning.
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While this is true (Korea's sodium consumption is one of the highest in the world) the U.S and Japan for instance are hardly slouches in this regard themselves. All three countries are well over the WHO recommended account.
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| According to the National Health and Nutrition Survey results in 2005, the average daily sodium intake of Koreans was reported to be 5,279.9 mg and that of Seoul citizens was 4,891.2 mg (Ministry of Health and Welfare, 2005). This amount is even higher than Japan's 4,212.6 mg, the U.S.'s 3,375 mg, and even more than double the amount recommended by WHO/FAO, 2,000 mg. |
However they are doing something about it now (the study above is from 2005)
http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view.php?ud=20120223001240&cpv=0
http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view.php?ud=20120321001080&cpv=0 |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Those Korean lunches look pretty nasty. All my students complain about the "dirty kimchi" and "dirty rice" they have to eat for school lunch. The Italian and French meals looked good though. |
That doesn't sound quite right. |
I have about 60 essays on my desk that say otherwise. 
Is it surprising that an elementary school student would complain about school lunch? |
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