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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: Omitting bad hagwon on resume (Immigration problem?) |
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Hello all,
I just finished a wonderful year at a public school but the year before that was hell at a hagwon.
I'm looking for a new PS job now but I'm wondering what to do about the hagwon gig.
My dilemma:
1)I really worked a full year there but only worked about 10 months "legally" because I worked without a visa. I can't list the months I didn't work without a visa for kimmi to see. On the other hand, I feel like I'm omitting valuable work experience as I did work hard there.
2)Teaching director didn't like me for whatever reasons, gave me a bad reference to my previous PS employer, almost cost me the job until I could find someone else at the hagwon who would speak kindly of me. However, I can get a stellar reference from my previous PS job, which I think is more important anyway.
This is also causing job recruiters to get suspicious and think I quit my contract early or was fired.
I know once a contract is reached you have to submit your resume to kimmi for the visa. Will they see the hagwon is omitted and cause any kind of problem?
Am I costing myself experience that could be beneficial in obtaining a new job?
What should I do? Thanks. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Immigration is not going to care. I am not saying what I did was good, but I worked at one hagwon for 6 months under 1 visa, went to another for 4 months, and then I listed both when applying for my 2nd visa. Anyone with common sense could have seen and questioned it. Only recruiters are going to look at that kind of stuff and usually it's to see if you will last a year since they are responsible for getting a teacher for a school.
Put one year down. I doubt this will ever happen, but if someone does question you, then just say you only worked 10 months. You are more likely to be questioned if they see less than a year. |
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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Immigration is not going to care. I am not saying what I did was good, but I worked at one hagwon for 6 months under 1 visa, went to another for 4 months, and then I listed both when applying for my 2nd visa. Anyone with common sense could have seen and questioned it. Only recruiters are going to look at that kind of stuff and usually it's to see if you will last a year since they are responsible for getting a teacher for a school.
Put one year down. I doubt this will ever happen, but if someone does question you, then just say you only worked 10 months. You are more likely to be questioned if they see less than a year. |
Thanks but the problem is because of my stupid hagwon I was caught teaching without a visa by immigration and have a blemish on my record. That's why I'm a little weary about putting down a full year in the first place.
Furthermore, if I worked a full year "legally" I'm eligible for a 100,000/month more pay raise. I'm willing to forfeit that money (which I technically deserve), for the sake of just putting the lousy hagwon experience in my past... |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks but the problem is because of my stupid hagwon I was caught teaching without a visa by immigration and have a blemish on my record. That's why I'm a little weary about putting down a full year in the first place. |
Your story is changing. In the title you have "bad hagwon" and "Immigration problem?"
This is not a bad hagwon (first hagwon) situation then. You are not asking us if it is an immigration problem (second hagwon). It's actually, "immigration problem (first hagwon)" and "hagwon issue (second hagwon)?"
Your work record at immigration is still there if you said you worked at the first hagwon or not. Immigration already has that information.
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| if I worked a full year "legally" I'm eligible for a 100,000/month more pay raise |
Two problems with this. You already said you worked 1 year with a public school. That should be enough for the 100,000 raise.
The second thing, how would they know if you worked 1 year or not to pay 100,000 more per month? You get paid monthly. So, they would only be able to do this as a reward at the end of the year if you complete.
Schools already do this with a "severance". You get 1 month's salary added (free 13th month pay without working, other teachers will argue you still earned it). Are you saying you would get 1.5 month's salary as a severance? Sounds like you have a strange offer. Post the contract in the contract review thread at the top of this forum.
Personally, I would never take a job with a promise of 1.5 month's salary if I completed a year. Only 1 month's salary is enforceable after 1 year is completed. I was able to get a 100,000 raise simply by getting a letter of recommendation. There was no need to finish a year, and they won't pay it monthly because they have no way to know you will finish the year. What are they going to do, take out a security deposit of the same amount? Then that is 2 months you would be waiting for. Still makes no sense.
Your problem isn't with the first hagwon, and you already worked with the public school. Apparently immigration didn't care and they WON'T this time.
Your problem is with the second hagwon who appears to be making more promises which they most likely won't keep. Hagwons already try to get out of pension and paying taxes. Most likely, this hagwon is going to hold off paying you pension. So, you'll just be getting what you are already owed. That's how they do things to make it look like you are getting more in the end. |
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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Your story is changing. In the title you have "bad hagwon" and "Immigration problem?" |
By that I mean the experience there was bad and I don't know how to handle that on my resume which willl be submitted to immigration.
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| Two problems with this. You already said you worked 1 year with a public school. That should be enough for the 100,000 raise. |
Yes, that's what I thought but the recruiter I spoke to said something like "oh, you didn't complete a full year at the hagwon so you're not eligible for an additional 100,000/month." Maybe they meant on top of my year at the PS.
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| The second thing, how would they know if you worked 1 year or not to pay 100,000 more per month? You get paid monthly. So, they would only be able to do this as a reward at the end of the year if you complete. |
PS does everything by the books and has ties to the government. Even though I was physically present for a full year at the hagwon, their records don't match that fact.
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| Your problem isn't with the first hagwon, and you already worked with the public school. Apparently immigration didn't care and they WON'T this time. |
I only worked at ONE hagwon and a public school. Sorry if I misled you somewhere. This situation is quite complex.
I decided I'm just going to submit my resume to recruiters with the full year listed and the signed resume I submit to immigration will only have the dates I worked legally. I think that's a practical solution to my dilemma.[/quote] |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| By that I mean the experience there was bad and I don't know how to handle that on my resume which willl be submitted to immigration. |
You just put down the time you were there. If you were there a year, put down a year. No need to say much about it. It's not your last school and it's not a school you will get a recommendation letter from. Just leave it at that.
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| the recruiter I spoke to said something like "oh, you didn't complete a full year at the hagwon so you're not eligible for an additional 100,000/month." Maybe they meant on top of my year at the PS. |
They are just trying to find ways to lower your salary so they can get more money in the end. If that money doesn't go to you, it goes to them. Negotiate a salary you want. For example, if I started with 2.1 and worked at a public school, I might also take a 2.1 salary because the public school might give me more things in the end like severance, airfare, pension, etc... The hagwon might not give that. If I got all that with hagwon 1, then I would want 2.2 with the public school. In your case you finished both and maybe the recruiter doesn't want to pay you 2.3. Their tactic could be starting out at 2.0, then adding 100,000 for the public school. This gives you 2.1. So, they would only settle for 2.2 at best. You on the other hand would want to start and 2.1, get the 100,000 more, and then try to get 2.3 because you worked 2 years.
In short, just look for 100,000 more than what the salary would be because you have 1 extra year. I have never heard of a recruiter (in Korea or China) look at your record 2 years ago. That's just not what their first impression is. They look at your recent year you will finish. If it is 6 or less, then they question. If it is 8 months, then they ask for a reason. If it is 10 months or more, then they are just playing recruiter games. Ignore it.
Ignore the worry about the resume, just put a year down. Ignore the worries about the recruiter. Decide what you want to earn for that school and stick to that amount. If they won't pay it, find another school. That simple. Don't make it too complicated when it doesn't need to be.
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| I only worked at ONE hagwon and a public school. Sorry if I misled you somewhere. This situation is quite complex. |
Yes, I meant third school (public school should be easier that's why I was focusing on the third school being a hagwon to address the worst case scenario). Whether or not it is a hagwon or public school doesn't really matter. You are looking too much at the small details you aren't seeing the big picture.
Send your resume out to any recruiter, decide what you want to earn, and take the best offer you can. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| This blemish that you mentioned may have gotten you blacklisted - 10 months of working/living here usually leads to fine, deportation and getting blacklisted for a number of years (5?). That means that you won't be able to enter SK for that amount of years. You might to research this a bit more thoroughly. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm a bit confused here.
From what you've written it sounds like you first worked for a hogwon that was bad, and then you worked for a PS which was good.
At which is these places did you work less than 12 months? I guess that it's the PS.
How did you end up doing less than a year? Did you start before you got the visa? If so, how on Earth did you get caught and still manage to get the visa? What did your contract say? Did it say 12 months? If so, then you're employed for 12 months from the date you start working AFTER you get the visa or transfer your old visa. So the school can't fire you at the 10 month mark because your contract is for 12. Sure, you may have illegally worked 2 months before but that doesn't count.
Is the current school (the PS?) now asking you to renew your contract? If so, then just tell them to wait 2 months. Then you'll have worked a year and are eligible for the raise.
We can't give you any useful advice if you don't give us the whole story.
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If so, then just tell them to wait 2 months. |
I think 2 months were already used between the end of the first school contract period and the beginning of the second school contract period.
They were on a visa during that time but not working for either school. So, it didn't alarm immigration. |
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