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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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You honestly think that there will be time to "hop on the first available plane" if a war breaks out?
If bombs start flying I'm stuck here with the rest of them. |
Yes, because wars can't start with the turn of a key. You have to mobilize and maneuver. That takes weeks and would be picked up by intelligence. There would be a run up in the news and probably some skirmish-type incidents. What you think North Korea is going to pick up the phone and tell the artillery along the DMZ to start the 'Mother of All Bombardments' while its reserve force is sitting at home and its armored units are undergoing maintenance on base? |
+1. Wars don't get sprung out of the blue anymore... things escalate for days, if not weeks - just look at Syria. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Also which two nations would you say are at war? |
The ROK and DPRK.
You saying they aren't?
Here's some more fun out of the DPRK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163817/How-North-Korean-children-taught-hate-American-b----kindergarten.html
How North Korean children are taught to hate the 'American b*******' at kindergarten
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'We love playing military games knocking down the American b*******,' reads the slogan printed across the top with the phrase so common that it's become an acceptable way to refer to Americans.
Another poster depicts an American with a noose around his neck. 'Let's wipe out the U.S. imperialists,' it instructs.
Toy pistols, rifles and tanks sit lined up in neat rows on shelves. Yun Song Sil, the school principal, pulls out a dummy of an American soldier with a beaked nose and straw-colored hair and explains that the students beat him with batons or pelt him with stones. It's a favorite schoolyard game, the female principal said. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't believe there's an outrage over this. Some of you should see the propaganda posters in the military. |
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Nismo
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't believe there's an outrage over this. Some of you should see the propaganda posters in the military. |
Is it outrage? I wouldn't say outrage. I would think very few people are actually surprised that the U.S. is a hypocritical hegemonic power, and South Korea its lackey. This has been the norm for at least the past 50 years. It's just a lot more ubiquitous in 2012 given the high flow of digital information.
To say there's worse is not to excuse this particular instance. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Here's some more fun out of the DPRK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163817/How-North-Korean-children-taught-hate-American-b----kindergarten.html
How North Korean children are taught to hate the 'American b*******' at kindergarten
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'We love playing military games knocking down the American b*******,' reads the slogan printed across the top with the phrase so common that it's become an acceptable way to refer to Americans.
Another poster depicts an American with a noose around his neck. 'Let's wipe out the U.S. imperialists,' it instructs.
Toy pistols, rifles and tanks sit lined up in neat rows on shelves. Yun Song Sil, the school principal, pulls out a dummy of an American soldier with a beaked nose and straw-colored hair and explains that the students beat him with batons or pelt him with stones. It's a favorite schoolyard game, the female principal said. |
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Captain Corea... are you saying that whatever Korea is doing is OK because another country does something worse? Isn't that Steelrails' job? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a bloody flag, what's the bfd. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Nismo wrote: |
To say there's worse is not to excuse this particular instance. |
What's there to excuse? They used a flag to mark enemy territory, they didn't directly bomb the flag. The ROK military's been using dressing up mock enemy troops as north Koreans during exercises for awhile now. We're at war buddy. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Considering all the psychological tools out there to prepare soldiers to fight the enemy, focusing on the inanimate symbol of the enemy regime is probably one of the best choices you can make.
Would it have made people feel better if they had instead had some giant pictures of North Korean soldiers to lob shells at?
At least with the flag it allows you to keep the narrative that you are fighting to free the people of the North from their illegitimate, repressive regime. Not that the NK people (your own people) themselves are evil. That and I think it would be morally questionable to treat a 19 year old malnourished conscript as the focus of your militaristic rage. I suppose the best would be a NK-emblazoned tank picture, but then it's kind of ridiculous to be shooting at a stationary picture of a tank.
On the other hand, maybe some anger and "I don't want them pitied, I want them dead. Kill them. Kill them all." (To paraphrase T.J. Jackson) type mentality WOULD be best. As another Civil War general said, and this situation is a civil war, "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." After all, is it not better to fight a cruel, short war where 250,000 die than a long "gentleman's war" where 2,500,000 die? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
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Here's some more fun out of the DPRK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163817/How-North-Korean-children-taught-hate-American-b----kindergarten.html
How North Korean children are taught to hate the 'American b*******' at kindergarten
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'We love playing military games knocking down the American b*******,' reads the slogan printed across the top with the phrase so common that it's become an acceptable way to refer to Americans.
Another poster depicts an American with a noose around his neck. 'Let's wipe out the U.S. imperialists,' it instructs.
Toy pistols, rifles and tanks sit lined up in neat rows on shelves. Yun Song Sil, the school principal, pulls out a dummy of an American soldier with a beaked nose and straw-colored hair and explains that the students beat him with batons or pelt him with stones. It's a favorite schoolyard game, the female principal said. |
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Captain Corea... are you saying that whatever Korea is doing is OK because another country does something worse? Isn't that Steelrails' job? |
No, I'm saying that given the current state of tension/war on the peninsula, I have no issue with ROK troops using a ZdPRK flag to denote enemy territory. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Nismo wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| Can't believe there's an outrage over this. Some of you should see the propaganda posters in the military. |
Is it outrage? I wouldn't say outrage. I would think very few people are actually surprised that the U.S. is a hypocritical hegemonic power, and South Korea its lackey. |
Totally, why would the South Koreans throw in the towel to the imperialists just because they can come up with lots of food, antibiotics, electric fans and the electricity to run them with. Wasn't the Dear Leader enough for these lackeys? Let a thousand lackey families with thier children perish for their traitorous behavior. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| So much for taking the high road. I thought we were supposed to be the good guys. |
Well then. Let's mobilize old and senile South Korean men who worship America to the Blue House. The South Korean military needs cannon fodders like them. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE STILL AT WAR!!
Everything that is done by the SK military and US forces here is to prepare for war with NK. These war games aren't to practice working together, they're designed to specifically practice potential battle scenarios with NK.
To even bother thinking about the flag is rediculous. NK is out attacking SK warships, and getting away with it!
If anything, SK is too timid in their dealings with the North, and worries too much about ruffling their feathers. The big fear now is not the war, it's that SK will have to take care of all the mess afterwards. I think that's why they don't want to agitate NK. SK is not as economically powerful as West Germany was at German Unification, and the exercise was very tough on them. You'll put the Han Nara lip service to the test when it starts to affect the SK economy! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| So much for taking the high road. I thought we were supposed to be the good guys. |
Well then. Let's mobilize old and senile South Korean men who worship America to the Blue House. The South Korean military needs cannon fodders like them. |
Wow, way to disrespect the older generation. Most likely the generation that has fought for this country.
Remind me, what have you done for this place? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Remind me, what have you done for this place? |
He's valiantly fighting for Korea on Dave's! Risking his health by sitting in front of a computer and typing away. You could get arthritis in your fingers you know. Such a hero. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Bombing North Korea's Flag Called For? |
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So, with the DPRK threatening to bomb Seoul into a sea of fire, actually bombing a Sk island, and doing tank manoeuvres with SK cities marked as targets... you figure THIS is bad?
I'm guessing you haven't read the history of this peninsula over the past 50+ years.
These two nations are at war - a flag target is next to nothing. |
I'll assume that your equivocation of 50 years of angst and (clearly delusional) but so-called state of war with the defacing of a nation's flag as a symbol of your ignorance of what a flag represents to its people.
Had it been a group of kid's burning the flag, or perhaps a country that doesn't no any better (i.e. North Korea), doing something that goes firmly against international law and ethics--I'd say shame on them and they deserve a spanking, but the little bastards don't know any better, which is pretty much how international law works (customs law trumps contracts).
But to demand that a country follow international protocol then directly violate it in such a vicious and shallow manner--in the name of revenge (as you put it in more words than necessary)--is hypocritical and wrong.
Next you'll be promoting a policy of rape of POWs--you know, since we are, in essence, in war. Please. 
In terms of understanding Korean History. Yeah, dude, go there. I dare you. Hahaha. |
Bolded part is just too funny to ignore. I like it when people make such rational connections on behalf of someone else. |
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