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gaspar
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 Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: tomorrow is going to be sunny |
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"Tomorrow is going to be sunny."
Is the sentence correct? Or does it have to state: "Tomorrow, IT'S going to be sunny."
It's a question on a final and the korean teacher wants to know whether ir not to deduct points. Thanks |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: tomorrow is going to be sunny |
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| gaspar wrote: |
"Tomorrow is going to be sunny."
Is the sentence correct? Or does it have to state: "Tomorrow, IT'S going to be sunny."
It's a question on a final and the korean teacher wants to know whether ir not to deduct points. Thanks |
I think I'm right in saying that as you mention sunny you're are naturally inferring it's the weather you're talking about. The same as if you said to someone "It's warm, isn't it?" without specifying you're actually wanting to talk about the weather/environment. So both are correct.
Maybe someone can come up with a better explanation. |
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jasonXkeller
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Are you an English teacher? The sentence is perfect.
I suppose "it" would refer to "the day," or possibly "tomorrow's weather," but both of these things are implicit in the statement. To use "it is," or "it's" is an unnecessary referent and sounds less like native speech. If anything, give extra credit because it demonstrates a higher level of communicative competence. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: tomorrow is going to be sunny |
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| gaspar wrote: |
"Tomorrow is going to be sunny."
Is the sentence correct? Or does it have to state: "Tomorrow, IT'S going to be sunny."
It's a question on a final and the korean teacher wants to know whether ir not to deduct points. Thanks |
hmm...it can be argued that prescriptively that particular structure should use the dummy subject 'it'.
It is going to be sunny, tomorrow.
Tomorrow, it is going to be sunny.
However, when tomorrow is used at the beginning of the sentence, it can also be argued that it is replacing the dummy subject it.
Tomorrow = the sum total of the existence of tomorrow...not just the date.
Other structures do make the substitution possible prescriptively.
Ex.
It is going to be a sunny day, tomorrow.
Tomorrow is going to be a sunny day.
Tomorrow, it is going to be a sunny day.
These are fine grammatically...and using this structure to validate your original should be enough to show that some flexibility is given.
With that in mind...not sure that points need to be deducted for this type of grammar as the meaning is clear and the dummy subject 'it' serves no use in so far as meaning goes.
Most native speakers would not have a problem with this descriptively...listen to it...and it makes perfect sense.
So...in the end...no answer for you...just some information. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: Re: tomorrow is going to be sunny |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| gaspar wrote: |
"Tomorrow is going to be sunny."
Is the sentence correct? Or does it have to state: "Tomorrow, IT'S going to be sunny."
It's a question on a final and the korean teacher wants to know whether ir not to deduct points. Thanks |
hmm...it can be argued that prescriptively that particular structure should use the dummy subject 'it'.
It is going to be sunny, tomorrow.
Tomorrow, it is going to be sunny.
However, when tomorrow is used at the beginning of the sentence, it can also be argued that it is replacing the dummy subject it.
Tomorrow = the sum total of the existence of tomorrow...not just the date.
Other structures do make the substitution possible prescriptively.
Ex.
It is going to be a sunny day, tomorrow.
Tomorrow is going to be a sunny day.
Tomorrow, it is going to be a sunny day.
These are fine grammatically...and using this structure to validate your original should be enough to show that some flexibility is given.
With that in mind...not sure that points need to be deducted for this type of grammar as the meaning is clear and the dummy subject 'it' serves no use in so far as meaning goes.
Most native speakers would not have a problem with this descriptively...listen to it...and it makes perfect sense.
So...in the end...no answer for you...just some information. |
Do you really want to open that can of worms?   |
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Emark
Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Another example of Koreans trying to fit our English language into the textbook forms and mustering their own interpretations they figure out from studying too much into the language. If I had a bagwon for every time I ran across this sort of useless quivering over the semantics of a barely questionable pair of sentences...
... I might have a chanwon!
bottom line ...
there aint an shoodunt be a Ingulushee teacher here dat gives a whoot! |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:17 am Post subject: Re: tomorrow is going to be sunny |
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| gaspar wrote: |
"Tomorrow is going to be sunny."
Is the sentence correct? Or does it have to state: "Tomorrow, IT'S going to be sunny." |
Any teacher at a kiddie hagwon knows this sentence is incorrect. It should read:
"The sun'll come out tomorrow. Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there'll be sun." |
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gaspar
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you...Pretty much everyone agrees the student should not have points knocked off. I felt the same, but my korean teacher was not so sure, so I posted. Again thanks to everyone for their help and response. |
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andrewchon
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Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not the King's English, but it is a colloqual English. It is incorrect for Koreans who act like they are kings. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyday in Korea is sunny. Oh Joy!! |
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waynehead
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| It's not the King's English, but it is a colloqual English. It is incorrect for Koreans who act like they are kings. |
Nice one. |
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12ax7
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