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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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My friend who has been in Korea for something like 18 years, is married to a Korean, on an F-something visa and running his own hagwon was recently contacted by immigration and had to get a health/drug/AIDs check up (and an FBI background check.) His Korean wife who also runs that very same hagwon was required to do nothing.
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I think your friend probably has a F5 permanent residency and was contacted by the Ministry of Education.
Someone has to take the MOE to court. Permanent residents are supposed to have the same rights as Korean nationals.
(Like your posts Bob). |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
I was here for the big Busan bust of '02 and a lot of my friends were involved, for which most of them paid the price. Anybody stupid enough to think they won't get caught, deserves it. If you can't come over here and fight off your addiction to the stuff, then don't come over. And don't expect the rest of us to cry for you or defend you.
The dealers--they know what the risks are. |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
I was here for the big Busan bust of '02 and a lot of my friends were involved, for which most of them paid the price. Anybody stupid enough to think they won't get caught, deserves it. If you can't come over here and fight off your addiction to the stuff, then don't come over. And don't expect the rest of us to cry for you or defend you.
The dealers--they know what the risks are. |
GF,
What was the Busan bust of '02? I'm not familiar with it? Did people get heavy sentences? |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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You know if NETs themselves are operating under the mindset that everyone back home smokes weed and that heavy regulations would deter people from coming, can you really blame the Koreans for thinking we all smoke weed?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- somewhere in the primordial ESL ooze, some NET during a conversation class went on a schpiel about how "back home everyone smokes and its no big deal", that germinated into what we have today.
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Probably because most NETs are straight out of college... I remember on 4-20, I'd be one of the only people in class because everyone else was "celebrating"... Freshmen got kicked out before orientation had even started because they were caught smoking weed before they'd even unpacked, and for a while we were on high-alert because some drug deal had gone wrong and the dealer had sneaked onto campus and stabbed a guy and his roommate because of it...
Then you have a media that portrays everyone having a stoner friend, or trying to get a medical card so they can smoke up... I'm not surprised that Koreans want NETs to get tested. I *am* surprised that people are constantly in shock about it and go on holier-than-thou rants about how "it's not that bad," "it's practically legal here," "it's for medicinal purposes," and "times will change and everyone will smoke pot." Many people wouldn't smoke weed if it were suddenly legalized... I wouldn't. I don't drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes or do drugs, and don't plan to, so it's also annoying to see everyone say "well you don't do drugs, but I bet you drink all the time!"  I'm not saying people who smoke or drink are evil, either... but it's illegal here and someone saying it shouldn't be and it's okay where they're from is not going to change the law here. |
I don't think legalization will make everyone go out and start smoking weed. But, the reality needs to be accepted that a lot of people use pot recreationally and the majority of the harm caused by marijuana is due to it's illegality. Pot is the cash cow of cartels that manufacture much more addictive/harmful drugs. The prohibition just creates a black market that can't be taxed by the government and provides income for organized crime. For these reasons, I think we'll see legalization within the next 50 years in Canada.
I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs either. I used to do all three. I am not anti drug, I'm against laws that don't make a lot of sense. The only thing worse than strictly enforced stupid laws, are having laws on the books that aren't enforced. It calls into question the validity of all laws. If something is illegal, it should be illegal and prosecuted. In this respect, I admire Korea for their harsh attitude toward marijuana. At least they wholehartedly believe in the law they have on the books! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Freshmen got kicked out before orientation had even started because they were caught smoking weed before they'd even unpacked, and for a while we were on high-alert because some drug deal had gone wrong and the dealer had sneaked onto campus and stabbed a guy and his roommate because of it.... |
Is prohibition the cause or the effect? |
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bojangles
Joined: 19 Feb 2011
Location: south jeolla
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: why |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
My friend who has been in Korea for something like 18 years, is married to a Korean, on an F-something visa and running his own hagwon was recently contacted by immigration and had to get a health/drug/AIDs check up (and an FBI background check.) His Korean wife who also runs that very same hagwon was required to do nothing.
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I think your friend probably has a F5 permanent residency and was contacted by the Ministry of Education.
Someone has to take the MOE to court. Permanent residents are supposed to have the same rights as Korean nationals.
(Like your posts Bob). |
Get Up.
Stand Up.
Stand up for your rights!
And Just say NO!
Why shouldn't everyone have the same rights as Korean nationals? ...especially in regards to our blood & urine!...(and medical privacy).
Would you let the Ministry of Education routinely come and search your apartment?
Why would you ever let them routinely search your body? And make you pay for it!
This whole 'health check' thing is most likely a witch hunt by the Education officials (not Immigration) to drum up profits for their friends in the medical establishment. If it was an effective(and legal) law enforcement strategy, then they would 'health check' everybody, aliens and nationals alike. But they don't. Its prejudicial. It's arbitrary. It's illegal. It's stupid.
Paradoxically, the routine 'health check' also poses certain risks to your health from exposure to radiation and/or mistakes made by lazy or incompetent hospital staff. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: |
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but do you hear about the 10's of thousands of Koreans caught with meth every year? |
No. Evidence?
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| the prisons are full with drug offenders |
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| 2000 murders every year committed by Koreans |
Link please.
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| thousands of rapes , on school children, or women. |
Ref. |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
but do you hear about the 10's of thousands of Koreans caught with meth every year? |
No. Evidence?
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| the prisons are full with drug offenders |
Link?
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| 2000 murders every year committed by Koreans |
Link please.
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| thousands of rapes , on school children, or women. |
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Here's one that actually made the news-
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/07/117_114557.html
A former administrative director sacked from Gwangju Inwha School, shut down last year, was sentenced to 12 years in prison Thursday for raping a deaf student.
Kim�s case stirred public outcry when it became known through a film, �The Crucible� (Dogani) in 2011.
The court also ordered the 63-year-old to wear an electronic anklet, and his personal information be disclosed on the Internet for 10 years after his release.
Gwangju District Court handed down the prison sentence to the convicted man, surnamed Kim, for tying the victim�s hands and feet and raping her.
Kim as well as other school officials and teachers were indicted in April 2005, for raping the student who was 18 years old at the time. They had also been charged for assaulting another student aged 17, who had witnessed the incident.
Kim and other teachers at the time had been cleared of the charges by the local court, which had ruled that the victims were not in a situation in which they couldn�t resist.
In other words, former school administrative director Kim was only brought back for a retrial because of the public outcry caused by the film. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: why |
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| Why shouldn't everyone have the same rights as Korean nationals? |
Because you don't have the same responsibilities. I don't think you want the same responsibilities.
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| nut they don't. Its prejudicial. It's arbitrary. It's illegal. It's stupid. |
So is the proposed mental health check that will be a requirement only for Korean citizens prejudicial? Where's the outrage that foreigners aren't required to take it? We're all equal right?
And guess what, we have one thing that Koreans don't have. We can say no and move to the country we are citizens of. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: why |
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| Why shouldn't everyone have the same rights as Korean nationals? |
Because you don't have the same responsibilities. I don't think you want the same responsibilities.
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| nut they don't. Its prejudicial. It's arbitrary. It's illegal. It's stupid. |
So is the proposed mental health check that will be a requirement only for Korean citizens prejudicial? Where's the outrage that foreigners aren't required to take it? We're all equal right?
And guess what, we have one thing that Koreans don't have. We can say no and move to the country we are citizens of. |
Is it confirmed that we won't have to have mental health checks? I mean, I can't imagine it being very effective having a non-English speaker questioning us about our mental health, but has this been confirmed?
But yeah, it does seem that a lot of the people who complain the most about Korea's injustices have made it known that they are entirely unsympathetic to outsiders in their own societies. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: why |
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Why shouldn't everyone have the same rights as Korean nationals? ... |
Because then Korea would be the only country in the world that gives guest/temp workers (if you are on a E-2 you are a "guest" or temporary worker) the same rights as its own citizens.
And same rights might come with same responsibilities...like mandatory military service for example.
I'll take the trade-off.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: why |
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Why shouldn't everyone have the same rights as Korean nationals? ... |
Because then Korea would be the only country in the world that gives foreigners the same rights as its own citizens.
If you want the same rights as Korean nationals you should expect to have the same responsibilities like mandatory military service for example. |
And be unable to withdraw pension when you leave. Also: aren't a lot of folks exempt from income taxes? |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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but do you hear about the 10's of thousands of Koreans caught with meth every year? |
No. Evidence?
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| the prisons are full with drug offenders |
Link?
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| 2000 murders every year committed by Koreans |
Link please.
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| thousands of rapes , on school children, or women. |
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http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/07/2007-foreigner-drug-statistics-issued/
http://ataglance.wordpress.com/category/crime-in-south-korea/
but I am not going to do your DD for you. you don't believe me that's up to you, if you are interested to know, google it.
but I have been here 15 years and spoken to many people, read many papers, heard many stories, and visited prisons here. the prisons I visited with full of people in there for drug crimes.
koreans love to drink, they love to get drunk! you don't think they love to get high?
there is a huge underground black market in korea always has been, drugs travel through that scene, illegal gambling, whoring, sex trade, human trafficking, etc etc.
yes I know Korea is the safe heaven of asia to the foreigner.
that's because they don't venture down the dark alley to see the hidden side of Korea.
regarding the murder rate
http://www.police.go.kr/eng/index.jsp
those figures are 5 years old, and lastest figure which I saw on the news a couple months back was 1700 last year.
and frankly I think it's probably more than that. how many missing people are actually murdered, because the missing persons numbers are high too. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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People who think many Koreans don't do drugs and commit crimes are probably the same people who think every Muslim is some scarf-wearing Jihadi in waiting who never drinks or goes clubbing.
I've seen more than a few people out and about in Busan and Seoul who obviously are on meth and from some of the glassy stares, more than a few housewives who are addicted to 'scrips. Heck, one of my students went through 6th grade blitzed out of his mind on drugs. He had some sort of back surgery and hernia problem and would just sit in the back, clearly stoned out of his gourd on the painkillers he was given. He was pretty cool though, laughed at a lot of the more subtle jokes that went whoosh over everyone's head or the weird moments on the Nami and Jinho videos that everyone else wouldn't consider weird but make most foreigners crack up.
There have even been movies about the drug rings in Korea, heck a bunch of Korean movies center around organized crime. Of course there's some ill stuff going on here. It's just usually there is a firmer line between criminal and citizen that is respected. But that's not to say it doesn't get crossed. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think legalization will make everyone go out and start smoking weed. But, the reality needs to be accepted that a lot of people use pot recreationally and the majority of the harm caused by marijuana is due to it's illegality. Pot is the cash cow of cartels that manufacture much more addictive/harmful drugs. The prohibition just creates a black market that can't be taxed by the government and provides income for organized crime. For these reasons, I think we'll see legalization within the next 50 years in Canada.
I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs either. I used to do all three. I am not anti drug, I'm against laws that don't make a lot of sense. The only thing worse than strictly enforced stupid laws, are having laws on the books that aren't enforced. It calls into question the validity of all laws. If something is illegal, it should be illegal and prosecuted. In this respect, I admire Korea for their harsh attitude toward marijuana. At least they wholehartedly believe in the law they have on the books! |
First of all, saying "everybody does it" isn't really something that invalidates a law... I've never really understood that sentiment. I do believe that a lot of people who always wanted to do drugs but were afraid of the consequences would go out and flood the market looking for legal marijuana. Isn't that the case in medical marijuana states (in the US)? People moan about some vague symptoms at a "doctor's office" that only prescribes marijuana. It's the same problem we have with prescription drug abuse... A friend of mine told me how easy it was to say she was having trouble concentrating and immediately being given a bottle of pills... go to enough places (or get friends to go for you with the same "symptoms") and you could rack up quite the stash. If marijuana were legal like cigarettes, I think it would rack in a lot of cash... but again, what's the benefit to the people? (There's no benefit attached to cigarettes or alcohol, either, imo). Then the government would tax it like crazy and drug dealers who know they can just grow it in their closet would be back again, selling "better strains" at cheaper prices.
I agree that it should be more strongly enforced though... I remember when texting while driving was made illegal in my state and everyone was worried until they heard the fine was $20 and didn't include points on their license. No one respects that rule because it's hard to get caught and the fine is too low. I doubt cops even care about pulling someone over for pocket change when they can charge well over 5x as much for someone speeding. |
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