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Kuros
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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: Another Obnoxious Hollywood Protest Stunt |
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Lucy Lawless Pleads Guilty to Trespassing
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| [S]he doesn't expect jail time, as she is a first-time offender and the protest was peaceful |
Haven't you heard: Cylons don't have rights.
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| "I think we've helped kick off a great movement," Lawless said Thursday, pointing to the extensive media coverage of the stunt. |
Give her some jail time. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope she flew there in her carbon neutral plane. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet?
putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself.
so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
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| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet?
putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself.
so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
There are a great deal of ways to contribute to environmental causes without trespassing onto oil rigs.
Here, this should get you started: http://www.50waystohelp.com/ |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet?
putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself.
so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
There are a great deal of ways to contribute to environmental causes without trespassing onto oil rigs.
Here, this should get you started: http://www.50waystohelp.com/ |
if you haven't already figured it out, actually I believe trespassing onto oil rigs is a monumentally fantastic idea and am totally in support of it. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
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| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet? |
The destruction of our planet? 
Yeah, I realize you probably think that improving the lives of our human beings amounts to a grievous sin against mother Gaia, but the rest of us realize that the world is doing just fine...
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| putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself. |
A 5th rate, hack actress self-indugently drawing attention to herself with an obnoxious stunt is a "brave act"?
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| so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
Spare me your self-righteous claptrap. I do what I can to improve the lives of people I care about, and humanity in general. I could care less about your made up Gaia-complex, or the laughable pretensions of some D-grade actress. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet? |
The destruction of our planet?
Yeah, I realize you probably think that improving the lives of our human beings amounts to a grievous sin against mother Gaia, but the rest of us realize that the world is doing just fine...
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| putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself. |
A 5th rate, hack actress self-indugently drawing attention to herself with an obnoxious stunt is a "brave act"?
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| so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
Spare me your self-righteous claptrap. I do what I can to improve the lives of people I care about, and humanity in general. I could care less about your made up Gaia-complex, or the laughable pretensions of some D-grade actress. |
wow what have you been smoking? 
isn't it always the ones who do the most destruction that always spew the most hatred in their posts on the internet? it's like, well, the hate just never stops, always there...
got to be the one to break it to you bud but Earth is in a really bad way these days - and yes, it's for real and humans have a lot to do with it.
someone I respect recently said that the success of humans can be measured by the health and well being of other species and guess what?? species are dying out more and more every day. disappearing. gone. nada. weather is going beserk. icebergs melting. fish in the oceans are disappearing. rivers are dirty and drying up.
maybe you want to put that bong down and pay attention?? before it's too late? |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Another limousine liberal who thinks it's cute and trendy to want to shut off the worlds' resources, having zero clue how damaging it would be to people (not that she needs to care since she probably has millions in the bank and lives in luxury). How original. |
just curious what have you done (ever) to draw attention to the depletion of our environment and the destruction of our planet?
putting one's self front and center - of course she does it because she's a celebrity since they are often asked to do it for the media attention it DOES bring - is actually a brave act since it also draws negative attention from some, like yourself.
so again, what have YOU done personally, to improve this world we all share? |
There are a great deal of ways to contribute to environmental causes without trespassing onto oil rigs.
Here, this should get you started: http://www.50waystohelp.com/ |
Well, one of my professors while I was doing my undergraduate, a leading authority on sustainable development, answered, "People who work outside of the system make it easier for people like me to get things done", when we asked what his thoughts were on those who do things like trespassing onto oil rigs. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
Location: Somewhere
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| The sky is falling! Everyone run for your lives! |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
| wow what have you been smoking? |
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| isn't it always the ones who do the most destruction that always spew the most hatred in their posts on the internet? it's like, well, the hate just never stops, always there... |
What are you babbling about?
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| got to be the one to break it to you bud but Earth is in a really bad way these days - and yes, it's for real and humans have a lot to do with it. |
Sheer nonsense. The earth is fine- always has been and always will be. It's humanity I'm worried about, and we're negatively impacted far more by big government and environmentalist control freaks (i.e. green on the outside, red on the inside) than anything mother nature has to dish out at us.
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| someone I respect recently said that the success of humans can be measured by the health and well being of other species and guess what?? species are dying out more and more every day. disappearing. gone. nada. weather is going beserk. icebergs melting. fish in the oceans are disappearing. rivers are dirty and drying up. |
You accuse me of "smoking something" and then write the above? You might as well be writing something akin to Alice in Wonderland, since it's equally absurd and unreal.
The climate has always changed and continues to do so. It is natural and inevitable, and humans have virtually NO impact on this (despite all the absurd lies and garbage told by people like Al Gore who just want to bamboozle you out of your money). |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| Sheer nonsense. The earth is fine- always has been and always will be. It's humanity I'm worried about, and we're negatively impacted far more by big government and environmentalist control freaks (i.e. green on the outside, red on the inside) than anything mother nature has to dish out at us. |
Climate change skepticism is fine, but environmental destruction goes well beyond that. Numerous societies throughout history have crumbled due to environmental degradation, what makes you so convinced that the same can't happen on a global scale? This is the problem with pretty much everything you argue, visitorq: you don't allow for any nuance. Government is always bad, the world would be perfect if it weren't for government. You come across as a caricature on par with the manager from Parks and Recreation. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| Sheer nonsense. The earth is fine- always has been and always will be. It's humanity I'm worried about, and we're negatively impacted far more by big government and environmentalist control freaks (i.e. green on the outside, red on the inside) than anything mother nature has to dish out at us. |
Climate change skepticism is fine, but environmental destruction goes well beyond that. Numerous societies throughout history have crumbled due to environmental degradation, what makes you so convinced that the same can't happen on a global scale? |
Because it isn't happening. Societies have crumbled due to environmental degradation?? When? Please, do elaborate~
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| This is the problem with pretty much everything you argue, visitorq: you don't allow for any nuance. Government is always bad, the world would be perfect if it weren't for government. |
Nuance? Who do you think you're kidding? Eco-fascists are a very real and influential part of our society, and they regularly try to convince people that we're all going to die if we don't live in a communist, rationed society controlled by them (some of them even think mass death would be something positive for the earth). They even put out advertisements showing teachers murdering students in their classrooms (with blood and guts exploding everywhere) because they don't want to lower their carbon footprints. Where the hell is the nuance?
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| You come across as a caricature on par with the manager from Parks and Recreation. |
No I don't, actually (and as if I give a rat's ass what you think). I just call it how it is. Nearly all of the real environmental problems, like nuclear reactors melting down, or GMO crops being planted everywhere are caused by big government. This is a fact. Oil, on the other hand, poses virtually no danger whatsoever, and is one of the most useful and beneficial products known to man. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head:
On a large scale:
-Easter Island
-The Mayans
-Anasazi
On a more localized scale:
-Dust Bowl America
-Haiti
-North Korea
Moreover, is it the government that uses slash and burn on a massive scale, or is it individuals? We've lost a huge percentage of the world's rainforests over the last century. Per Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainforest#Deforestation):
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The forests are being destroyed at a rapid pace. Almost 90% of West Africa's rainforest has been destroyed. Since the arrival of humans 2000 years ago, Madagascar has lost two thirds of its original rainforest. At present rates, tropical rainforests in Indonesia would be logged out in 10 years and Papua New Guinea in 13 to 16 years.
Several countries, notably Brazil, have declared their deforestation a national emergency. Amazon deforestation jumped by 69% in 2008 compared to 2007's twelve months, according to official government data. Deforestation could wipe out or severely damage nearly 60% of the Amazon Rainforest by 2030, says a new report from WWF. |
Yes, some of this is due to big business and it's ties to government, but much of it is due to small scale individual slash and burn agriculture. Why does this matter? For one thing, soil erosion increases dramatically when trees are clear cut, rendering once fertile soil unusable. Secondly, trees release moisture, which in turn increases cloud cover, having a direct effect on climate; take a large enough forest (the Amazon, for example), and cutting trees can have a significant effect on climate if you cut down enough of them. For an example of how this can work in reverse, see Ascension Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island#History).
North Africa and Mesopotamia were once some of the richest agricultural regions in the world, until they were stripped bare. The former was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Do you think it was totally random that they turned to desert, or is it due, perhaps, to humans exhausting the productive capacity of the land? Do you really believe that we have no ability to impact the earth's environment? Tell that to the people living on the rivers in New England and New York that were essentially dead zones prior to the Clean Water Act; without government intervention, GE would have continued to dump whatever it wanted into the water.
Oil definitely poses some danger to the environment, evidenced by the widespread deformities that have developed in Gulf fisheries since Deepwater Horizon. Regardless, we should conserve oil due to the many uses it has. Oil is a product unlike any other, yet far too many individuals view it as something tied strictly to transportation.
Yes, your alter egos on the environmentalist side are also lacking in nuance. Having crazy people opposing you doesn't make you right. One aspect of intelligence is the willingness to consider opposing viewpoints; perhaps you should try it occasionally. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
Off the top of my head:
On a large scale:
-Easter Island
-The Mayans
-Anasazi |
Oh please. I thought you were going to provide some actual facts, not biased speculation about the mysteries of ancient civilizations lost to history...
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On a more localized scale:
-Dust Bowl America
-Haiti
-North Korea |
What? American, Haitian, and North Korean societies have collapsed? That's news to me... The latter has an oppressive, Stalinist government that grinds its people into the dirt, which is by far the biggest problem. But of course, collectivist/socialists states that don't allow for private property usually are the dirtiest and most harmful to the environment as well.
Tragedy of the commons. This is caused by a lack of laws allowing for private property ownership, which should be one of the few roles of government.
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| North Africa and Mesopotamia were once some of the richest agricultural regions in the world, until they were stripped bare. The former was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Do you think it was totally random that they turned to desert, or is it due, perhaps, to humans exhausting the productive capacity of the land? |
This is just BS. Egypt was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire, and still is a rich agricultural region (surrounded by desert, caused by natural climate change long ago). Ever heard of the Nile? It's still there, last time I checked.
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| Do you really believe that we have no ability to impact the earth's environment? Tell that to the people living on the rivers in New England and New York that were essentially dead zones prior to the Clean Water Act; without government intervention, GE would have continued to dump whatever it wanted into the water. |
GE shouldn't be allowed to dump anything into the water, since the river is not owned by GE. Simple as that. As for the effect on the environment, it's hardly the cataclysm you portray it as.
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| Oil definitely poses some danger to the environment, evidenced by the widespread deformities that have developed in Gulf fisheries since Deepwater Horizon. Regardless, we should conserve oil due to the many uses it has. Oil is a product unlike any other, yet far too many individuals view it as something tied strictly to transportation. |
Oil is a natural substance that is everywhere. It is so abundant that it often just bubbles up to the surface. Ever heard of a tar pit? Oil is not something you'd want to bathe in or spread on your toast, but isn't actually very toxic. You could jump into a cauldron if it, and wash yourself off afterwards without any adverse effect. The notion that an oil spill is some devastating event is just delusion stupidity fueled by propaganda.
The real problem with the Deepwater Horizon disaster was the spraying of Corexit everywhere, which is much more toxic than the actual oil (and causes it to sink to the bottom and coat everything, when it would otherwise just dissipate in the open ocean).
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| Yes, your alter egos on the environmentalist side are also lacking in nuance. Having crazy people opposing you doesn't make you right. One aspect of intelligence is the willingness to consider opposing viewpoints; perhaps you should try it occasionally. |
Try what? Accepting the nonsense you've posted so far unquestioningly? I'm just taking a common sense approach to all this. Hardly extreme, unless it's extreme to call extremists out on their lies and propaganda. |
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