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tintinus.



Joined: 21 May 2012

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:12 pm    Post subject: Really tired Reply with quote

Just had two classes that went really badly. The kids didn't listen to me at all and just chucked things all over the floor. The bosses have decided to 'watch me like a hawk' as if I were a criminal. And I haven't done anything to really deserve it. They seem to want to run me into the ground, making the lessons extra long at the end. And having all the children basically be really rude to me. They are winding me up quite a lot even though I am really tired. Like the head teacher is now actually trying to stop me from remembering what the children said so she doesn't get into trouble. They seem a little aggressive and said they would make trouble for me back home.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they paying pension, taxes, health insurance? If not, report them for that and then report them to the labor board for being treated badly. The labor board won't help you on that but at least you get to file something on the boss before you're fired. I may help you if you request a visa transfer after you're fired.

By the way, you ARE going to be fired.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like money issues, they don't want to discipline the students.
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is called what it means to "teach" in South Korea.
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soomin



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
This is called what it means to "teach" in South Korea.


+1

I just got a lecture about how the reason kids were crazy in my class because I punished them when they were crazy... "Don't think you have to teach them... just be in the classroom... I think of tutor as as entertainer! Be their friend and always smile~" >.<
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nero



Joined: 11 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP without trying to sound condescending I wonder if teaching is your thing?

I have been reading your posts. Some people are just not teachers. I am not saying I am by any means great at teaching...but to be fired from 2 jobs (and potentially a third) does make me wonder. This doesn't make you a bad person or a failure it just means that maybe your need a job that utilizes your strengths.
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Emark



Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nero wrote:
OP without trying to sound condescending I wonder if teaching is your thing?
I have been reading your posts. Some people are just not teachers. I am not saying I am by any means great at teaching...but to be fired from 2 jobs (and potentially a third) does make me wonder. This doesn't make you a bad person or a failure it just means that maybe your need a job that utilizes your strengths.


Not the most productive post the OP could be looking for.

It could be quite possible the OP has gotten the raw end of the deal a number of times.

I haven't had a perfect school yet! I don't think I'm a bad teacher because I haven't made it through to say "yes" to a second year in the same school. Sometimes I don't want to stay, sometimes it's mutual. Sometimes I've left before the end of the contract because the school is just too far into the "get the hell out of here" category.

Lately, I have seen a large amount of posts about people leaving early quitting, midnight run, or having major difficulties in their school during their 1 year. Few posts of people happily getting into the second year.

It seems to me that those who stay a second year or more in the same school are predominately in the public (non-afterschool) programs or university jobs. The structure, integrity, and overall mandate of those positions are so very different than the hawgwon / academy jobs. I regret not resigning with GEPIK. It was the easiest thing in the world. Now getting back into it is a tough haul.

I too am stuck in a private academy and I hate the situations that arise when it comes to the common problems that we all share of co-teachers, parents, discipline in the class, and cramming up to 16 kids into a class.

I have to grin and bear it for a little while longer.

I feel for the OP. I feel that he doesn't need to be beaten down and have his reason for teaching questioned. That's kind of the same questioning as "don't you love children?" when somebody is trying to belittle another and find some fault.

Hang in there OP. Yes, I too think you will be on the firing line. Read the posts and threads here and learn from others experiences. Be proactive. If it means that you may have to prepare another CBC, get it started. In the event that you have spent $300 or more getting another set of documents processed and you don't need them, consider yourself lucky. If you have fresh documents in your hand, you are in control of your own destiny here.

Stay positive!

Good Luck
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soomin



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emark wrote:

I haven't had a perfect school yet! I don't think I'm a bad teacher because I haven't made it through to say "yes" to a second year in the same school. Sometimes I don't want to stay, sometimes it's mutual. Sometimes I've left before the end of the contract because the school is just too far into the "get the hell out of here" category.

Lately, I have seen a large amount of posts about people leaving early quitting, midnight run, or having major difficulties in their school during their 1 year. Few posts of people happily getting into the second year.

It seems to me that those who stay a second year or more in the same school are predominately in the public (non-afterschool) programs or university jobs. The structure, integrity, and overall mandate of those positions are so very different than the hawgwon / academy jobs. I regret not resigning with GEPIK. It was the easiest thing in the world. Now getting back into it is a tough haul.

I too am stuck in a private academy and I hate the situations that arise when it comes to the common problems that we all share of co-teachers, parents, discipline in the class, and cramming up to 16 kids into a class.

I have to grin and bear it for a little while longer.

Stay positive!

Good Luck


Wow, Emark! This post is so warm-hearted and optimistic! I am in the same boat and needed this kind of encouragement, myself ^.^ Thanks for the post and good luck finding a good hagwon (or whatever it is you plan to do after your current contract) ^.^
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Schwa. The OP has posted several horror stories in a matter of weeks. If he/she is not just a great troll, he/she is in the wrong field.

Some of us are here to teach, and are qualified. Our bosses know it, and treat us with respect. Network if you can and you'll find something nice.

EDIT: Weird that mine seems to have posted before Schwa's. I read his then posted.


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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP is either fake (my suspicion) or unsuited to teaching.

Harsh? Has yet to post a coherent message. Taken at his word, nothing but self-invited troubles.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my bet is the OP is a teenage troll living in an alternate universe Surprised
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, OP isn't a troll. Probably just isolated, inexperienced with kids, and not fitting in well due to a lack of support. I believe teaching in Korea is often much more stressful than most other countries paying less who offer a more relaxed fun environment like many of us try to create in Korean classrooms. Korea has an initiative to shoot high in the world so the stress level is very high there with all the pressures to perform and put on an image instead of just being themselves. There's a reason why pay and benefits are on par with having a real job and why it is a real job rather than a more volunteer type of situation in less developed countries paying a stipend. I had to let most of the noise pass me by, because it would be too much to attempt to control it all. I did find myself burning out on the lack of professional support, boredom, and loneliness in a public school while feeling unwelcome outside the school in the town. I expect a hagwon could be a whole lot more stress, but more rewarding if you work smart instead of hard.
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sml7285



Joined: 26 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
... There's a reason why pay and benefits are on par with having a real job and why it is a real job rather than a more volunteer type of situation in less developed countries paying a stipend....


The mentality that many seem to have, that a job in Korea is a 1 - 2 year vacation from the real world blows my mind. Of course it's a real job. If one does not wish to be stressed out or be tired as in a "real job", they should just take a year off rather than try to fly halfway across the world and teach kids (especially without any sort of teaching experience).

I coached swimmers from the summer after 8th grade until graduation from UNC. It took me around 4 years before I had a full grasp of how to make sure I could get kids to not mess around in the water and to do what I told them to do. I've learned that not being able to successfully lead/teach/control kids will lead to: elementary children going nuts, middle schoolers being a-holes, and high schoolers just not showing up. I think it's fairly unreasonable for someone without any experience in a classroom or teaching environment to show and and expect for things to go without a hitch.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well? OP are you fired yet?
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - don't let it get you down too much. Every teacher has some kind of problems managing behaviour when they start out. It is also something you need to consider throughout your teaching career.

Maybe look into some behaviour management strategies, and try to startwith a clean slate with your classes. You might need to enlist the help of Korean-speaking staff to do this, but it's important that the students know what the boundaries are, and what the consequences are of crossing them.

If - as you post suggests - the Korean-speaking staff are not willing to help you do this, and expect you to do nothing when students behave badly, then personally I'd make it clear to them that you are not willing to work under those conditions. Of course, you might phrase this nicely, but I'd make it clear that you expect support in behaviour management.

Teachers do have to manage behaviour - it's part of the job - but there's no reason you should be expected to put up with it with no support from the management. If they are willing to back you up, then stick it out and work out how to improve things. If they are unwilling to do this, you might think about looking elsewhere for work.
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