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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: Parents - how are your kids doing at school? |
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I am interested to hear from the parents on this forum of mixed race children. How are your children doing at school? Are they fitting in or are they bullied? If it makes you feel uncomfortable to post here then feel free to send me a PM. I am also interested where your child's school is. Does anyone's child go to the Sarang school in Seoul? |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Great question. I am also interested in the responses. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Our son is in fourth grade at a public school. Doing fine. He has liked all his teachers. He gets along well with the other students and has some really nice friends. He enjoys school.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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My daughter is in kindergarten here (2nd year), and enjoys her school. It took some time to find a good one, but we're relatively satisfied with it.
In regards to being 'mixed' and such, she gets called so quite often on the playground. Nearly every day she's called a foreigner or American (she is neither).
She doesn't like it, but it rarely prevents her from going on her merry way to play. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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My 2 kids are doing fine in school. No problems to speak of. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Stan Rogers wrote: |
My 2 kids are doing fine in school. No problems to speak of. |
my daughter did 11years of schooling here, she is now in middle school.
she liked it in elementary, but now she seems unhappy, the kids are now at that age where teasing, and belittling each other is becoming the norm in the classroom, also the school work is getting more difficult and the teachers have no patience for kids who don't excel.
so I have decided to take her out and send her home and live with her grandma and let her go to school back home.
not just for the experience but for the cultural, sports, arts and other options which are more available to her than here and I think being in an environment where everyone is mixed raced or foreign.
now I am not saying Korean schools are bad, not at all, we had a very positive time here, never any racism or anything like that, it's just the work, stress of school here is just retarded, so it's time to move on. |
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brier
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Jr is in his first year of kindergarten. He spent two years in daycare previous, and he has adjusted well to kindergarten. His Korean is fluent, but I'm concerned about his English. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
My daughter is in kindergarten here (2nd year), and enjoys her school. It took some time to find a good one, but we're relatively satisfied with it.
In regards to being 'mixed' and such, she gets called so quite often on the playground. Nearly every day she's called a foreigner or American (she is neither).
She doesn't like it, but it rarely prevents her from going on her merry way to play. |
Uh, that's not good. If she's already getting singled out it'll get worse I'd imagine as she gets older. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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brier wrote: |
Jr is in his first year of kindergarten. He spent two years in daycare previous, and he has adjusted well to kindergarten. His Korean is fluent, but I'm concerned about his English. |
I'm really interested in this. Do you read to your son everyday and put Dora the Explorer (or similar English cartoons) on for him everyday? How dedicated are you speaking and exposing him to as much English as possible? If you are doing all of these things, it would concern me as well.
Sure, his default language will be Korean because he'd growing up in Korea, but how will you improve his English language ability?
I'm planning on going home for at least a month every year when my daughter is 3 or 4 and enroll her in daycare and have her hang out with my niece 24/7. I know I won't like it one bit if my wife can sit there and carry on meaningful conversations with my daughter while I sit in the background as I do now when her friends are around. Not gonna happen.
The last thing I want is a language divide in the household--Team Korean and Team English. The house language WILL BE English. I don't care what some experts say about one parent-one language. I don't want to miss out on a single word my daughter says (though I know at times I will, unfortunately). |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies. I am happy to hear that many of the kids are doing well and are not experiencing much bullying. The school system here does seem to be a bit oppressive with the amount of work they do so I can understand Fosterman's decision. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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brier wrote: |
Jr is in his first year of kindergarten. He spent two years in daycare previous, and he has adjusted well to kindergarten. His Korean is fluent, but I'm concerned about his English. |
I had this very problem myself, because I was working the most hours, I was out of the house the most, att he hakwon from 9-5, then some privates at night I wasn't getting home until around 7 or 8pm.
also my daughter went to Korean daycare, then Korean kindergarten, also her mum spoke to her in Korea all day, as that's how they felt comfortable.
I would speak to my daughter for a couple hours, read some books, in English but it wasn't enough. her Korean was so fluent that's how she felt comfortable expressing herself, couldn't blame her for that.
one day I came home from my hakwon, and I compared her English to some of my students, and I realized her English wasn't as good as some of the kids in my class! this was totally unacceptable for me.
one day I came home and I was explaining something to her about something, and she just looked at me with this blank stare and then turned to her mum and in Korean said" mum what is dad talking about"?
that's when I thought. OMG, this can't happen.
because I didn't want to spend the the money for English kindergarten I didn't put her in there. so I made a deal with my hakwon owner to have my daughter in her school. (free) so I got her in my kindy so she came to school with me everyday. after 6 months I was still not satisfied with her English ability. she just wasn't perfectly bilingual , I think I missed the opportunity when she was around 3 and 4 years old due to me always working. so I sent her home to my mums house and enrolled her in kindy back home for 3 months, she came back Fluent! that 3 months really kicked her into gear .
During her elementary school years, I had her some English hakwons, usually the ones where I worked, might sound crazy why I had her in English school when her father is a native speaker, but hey. we studied English back home to right?
but she wasn't a dedicated student to the hakwon system, on and off really.
now in middle school she is perfectly bilingual, her conversational skills are better than anyone her school , but honestly her grammar is not the top. some of the korean kids are better than her, probably because those kids were abused with studying by their mums and did so many more hours in the classroom than my kid, I let my kid play and enjoy her childhood.
I recommend sending your kid home every year or a couple years if you can, my kid only went home once when she was 7. and now she will go again she is 14.
wish I sent her every year, just wasn't possible.
but slow and steady,
she will get there.
now with my son I am doing things really different.
basically. it's NO KOREAN in the house or Korean tv shows, or Korean books. only English 100%
that means his mum and me speak to him in English only.
I want him to think and speak in English as his first language I want him to express himself in English. instead of learning English as a second language, he can learn Korean as a second language, there will be more opportunities for him to pick up korean as a kid in Korea as he gets older.
I have decided to not go with the two language system, as I feel the time spent with him is not equal as I am out of the house more than my wife.
so eventually the child will pick one main language.
and I am being selfish and going with ENGLISH.
one thing I hate is my wife and daughter always speaking Korean to each other as that is their mother tongues. also my fault for not bothering to learn Korean to a level where I can have meaningful conversations with them so I sit there as the Wangta.. hahahahahaha
this aint happening with my son. and I am not bothered to learn Korean.
so there.
eventually my son will be fluent in Korean, but I am putting priorities with English first. we came to this decision by seeing how my daughter was raised and how she just spoke korean, lived as a korean, thought like a korean, acted like a korean, which is natural due to us living here and her going to Korean schools.
A good way would be to split up the times with schools here and schools back home , if you can afford that luxury that would be the way to do it for a perfectly BI Lingual kid from a mixed race family.
equal exposure to both cultures is the only way to really be bi cultural, and truly native in both languages.
experiences ! |
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Poker
Joined: 16 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:04 am Post subject: |
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fosterman wrote: |
brier wrote: |
Jr is in his first year of kindergarten. He spent two years in daycare previous, and he has adjusted well to kindergarten. His Korean is fluent, but I'm concerned about his English. |
I had this very problem myself, because I was working the most hours, I was out of the house the most, att he hakwon from 9-5, then some privates at night I wasn't getting home until around 7 or 8pm.
also my daughter went to Korean daycare, then Korean kindergarten, also her mum spoke to her in Korea all day, as that's how they felt comfortable.
I would speak to my daughter for a couple hours, read some books, in English but it wasn't enough. her Korean was so fluent that's how she felt comfortable expressing herself, couldn't blame her for that.
one day I came home from my hakwon, and I compared her English to some of my students, and I realized her English wasn't as good as some of the kids in my class! this was totally unacceptable for me.
one day I came home and I was explaining something to her about something, and she just looked at me with this blank stare and then turned to her mum and in Korean said" mum what is dad talking about"?
that's when I thought. OMG, this can't happen.
because I didn't want to spend the the money for English kindergarten I didn't put her in there. so I made a deal with my hakwon owner to have my daughter in her school. (free) so I got her in my kindy so she came to school with me everyday. after 6 months I was still not satisfied with her English ability. she just wasn't perfectly bilingual , I think I missed the opportunity when she was around 3 and 4 years old due to me always working. so I sent her home to my mums house and enrolled her in kindy back home for 3 months, she came back Fluent! that 3 months really kicked her into gear .
During her elementary school years, I had her some English hakwons, usually the ones where I worked, might sound crazy why I had her in English school when her father is a native speaker, but hey. we studied English back home to right?
but she wasn't a dedicated student to the hakwon system, on and off really.
now in middle school she is perfectly bilingual, her conversational skills are better than anyone her school , but honestly her grammar is not the top. some of the korean kids are better than her, probably because those kids were abused with studying by their mums and did so many more hours in the classroom than my kid, I let my kid play and enjoy her childhood.
I recommend sending your kid home every year or a couple years if you can, my kid only went home once when she was 7. and now she will go again she is 14.
wish I sent her every year, just wasn't possible.
but slow and steady,
she will get there.
now with my son I am doing things really different.
basically. it's NO KOREAN in the house or Korean tv shows, or Korean books. only English 100%
that means his mum and me speak to him in English only.
I want him to think and speak in English as his first language I want him to express himself in English. instead of learning English as a second language, he can learn Korean as a second language, there will be more opportunities for him to pick up korean as a kid in Korea as he gets older.
I have decided to not go with the two language system, as I feel the time spent with him is not equal as I am out of the house more than my wife.
so eventually the child will pick one main language.
and I am being selfish and going with ENGLISH.
one thing I hate is my wife and daughter always speaking Korean to each other as that is their mother tongues. also my fault for not bothering to learn Korean to a level where I can have meaningful conversations with them so I sit there as the Wangta.. hahahahahaha
this aint happening with my son. and I am not bothered to learn Korean.
so there.
eventually my son will be fluent in Korean, but I am putting priorities with English first. we came to this decision by seeing how my daughter was raised and how she just spoke korean, lived as a korean, thought like a korean, acted like a korean, which is natural due to us living here and her going to Korean schools.
A good way would be to split up the times with schools here and schools back home , if you can afford that luxury that would be the way to do it for a perfectly BI Lingual kid from a mixed race family.
equal exposure to both cultures is the only way to really be bi cultural, and truly native in both languages.
experiences ! |
Great read, thanks fosterman. I will remember this post when I start my own family. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Tis true. When I start my family its back to the states for Kindy. I'll bring em back to Korea at some point, but reality dictates that having English as the primary language is more desirable than Korean, although being in a 3rd party country would be an interesting option.
The reality is that no amount of rules will overcome the environment. I don't want to be the American in Korea version of the 'Immigrant in America' who insists on Hindi in the house as their kids just roll their eyes and hide stuff from out-of-touch daddy. If they live in Korea, they'll want to be like the other kids and will prefer things in Korean. That's just how kids are. That will be fine at a later point, but they need the English environment so they aren't third rate at it.
But yeah, the whole idea of being in a non-Korean and non-English country is intriguing. Obviously they'd get both, primarily English, at home. But in socializing they could get development in whatever the third language is. I'd imagine that in that situation they'd have sufficient skill in both English and the third language, and since kids have a natural responsiveness to mom their Korean would probably be passable as well (And if they lived in an area with plenty of expat Koreans they could get some Korean skill at Korean church/school or with socializing). Not to mention the sheer diffusion of English means they'd pick up some in the outside world and from books and media.
Ugh. I hope that isn't China. I don't think my lungs can hang. Somewhere Spanish speaking would be nice. Maybe Chile. Knew a few Korean-Chileans, cool people, none of them had that American chip on their shoulder some American gyopos have. |
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Nismo
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
although being in a 3rd party country would be an interesting option. |
It's interesting, but way too stressful. For one thing, both parents are foreigners, yet they don't share the same identity at home. Then there is your child adopting an identity that is foreign to both of the parents. Mommy and Daddy become embarrassing when they muck up some family event at school by not bringing the correct color lunch box, or whatever.
The couples I know who, like me, were part of a multi-cultural family in a third-party country all ended up going back to one of the homelands. It's a lot easier.
What scares me about being in SK raising our children is that even mommy wants to take the kids out of the system because it's terrible. She scares me with comments like, "I don't have one fond memory of attending school." She enjoyed time with her friends after school and on weekends, but school was hell for her. |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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My first son is just two years old now. He has been in a preschool for a little less than a year. I don't think the kids his age are old enough to quite get that he is different. Though they are often surprised when I pick him up at the bus stop so it must click in their heads.
To elementary school kids my sons are 외국인 babies. And then I have to explain to them that their mother is Korean. To which the question is always, "Koreans can marry foreigners? What?!" Yes! Go ask your parents about it and I'm sure they'll be happy to explain the facts of life to you.
To teenagers they are 혼혈. Teenage girls will say, "I envy them. They don't have to get plastic surgery." Uhh, yeah..
To adults they are either labeled as cute or simply exotic looking and everyone has to point out that they look like their father and that is the reason they are cute(wife hates hearing this every time she steps out of the house) . To nobody in this country are they Korean. Apparently you have to win a gold medal or become a famous celebrity to gain that status. That's when the country will claim you as their own.
As far as languages goes, from the time he started talking until a couple of months ago, my first son's dominant language was Korean. I've always read to him in english and we both use Korean and english with him but his mother used to use more Korean with him than she does now.
Now that he can use sentences we both put a lot of effort into using mostly english in the house. We also have him watch all his favorite shows in english using BTV. These days his english is at least equal to his Korean. |
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