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mscoop1085



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Change in severance pay Reply with quote

Anyone else get a letter about the changing of severance pay. Apparently, you won't receive it until after leaving your current job. It is called Retirement plan or something of that sort. Anyone else heard about this? I work at YBM.
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mscoop1085



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is for people who aren't changing jobs and will be staying with the same school.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Change in severance pay Reply with quote

mscoop1085 wrote:
Anyone else get a letter about the changing of severance pay. Apparently, you won't receive it until after leaving your current job. It is called Retirement plan or something of that sort. Anyone else heard about this? I work at YBM.


Company policy might have changed.

Labor law has not changed. The particular act is the "Employee Retirement Benefit Security Act" and is found here: http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=260&tab=Standards

They are required to pay it out within 14 days of the termination of your employment (under labor law).

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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work public and get severance pay every year. The pension is something different. If they will still pay you every year, it isn't your pension. You can only get that when you leave. But if you're here for a few years or more, leave that alone and don't cash it out. You will need something when you retire.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although severance pay and pension are two separate things, they're both retirement benefits. The concept of the severance pay is supposedly because you'll use it to help yourself in your old age.
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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

severance pay is more of a unemployment benefit. You don't get it till you quit/get fired from the job
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oppa637 wrote:
severance pay is more of a unemployment benefit. You don't get it till you quit/get fired from the job


not in Korea.... don't confuse the "loose" translation with the reality.

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ktkates87



Joined: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a YBM and am thinking about renewing.

.....sooo how does it work for severence pay if you're there for 2 years? Are you supposed to get a month's severence for every year that you've worked or do you only ever get one month upon leaving no matter how long you've been there?
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ktkates87 wrote:
I work at a YBM and am thinking about renewing.

.....sooo how does it work for severence pay if you're there for 2 years? Are you supposed to get a month's severence for every year that you've worked or do you only ever get one month upon leaving no matter how long you've been there?


one month per year of service.

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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding of this system is that the ammount increases after a certain numbers of years of continuous service. So one monhts's salary per year up to 5 years (for example only not sure of the increase timing) then after that 1.5 months salary per year up to another number of years.

I used to teach a guy who worked in HR for a big company in Korea. He said that this system caused a lot of people to lose their jobs around the time when the increase would be scheduled. He said it creates a lot of unemployed adjoshis. A company will send you packing before you hit 15 or 20 years so that they arent on the hook for huge lump sum payouts.

Since we operate on 1 year contracts, isn't the end of our contract the end of employment? Even if we resign, we're signing a new 1 year contract. Any school that does this will just ensure that people dont re-sign with them. Everything is negotiable. I'd just say that was a condition of re-signing.
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TDC troll



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the difference if they pay now for one year
or next year for two ?
You'll just have more coming next year .
As far as YBM I would trust em .
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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDC troll wrote:
What's the difference if they pay now for one year
or next year for two ?
You'll just have more coming next year .
As far as YBM I would trust em .


1) Time value of money. $2000 today is worth more than $2000 a year from now.

2) The likelyhood of you being cheated out of a sum of money is directionaly proportional to the size of that sum.

3) Murphy's Law. Things just seem to happen to work against you when you're owed money by a hagwan and aren't returning there to work.

I've worked at a few hagwans and always got my money for airfare and severence. However, they always wanted me to re-sign. I would always say I was going home for a couple of months and would contact them when I was ready to return. I had seen other teachers that the schools didnt like fired at 10 months with no payout.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NilesQ wrote:
My understanding of this system is that the ammount increases after a certain numbers of years of continuous service. So one monhts's salary per year up to 5 years (for example only not sure of the increase timing) then after that 1.5 months salary per year up to another number of years.

I used to teach a guy who worked in HR for a big company in Korea. He said that this system caused a lot of people to lose their jobs around the time when the increase would be scheduled. He said it creates a lot of unemployed adjoshis. A company will send you packing before you hit 15 or 20 years so that they arent on the hook for huge lump sum payouts.



Untrue.

http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=260&tab=Standards

www.moel.go.kr/english/download_eng.jsp?type=&file=(39)EMPLOYEERETIREMENTBENEFITSECURITYACT-2011.pdf

I'd love to see that in writing.

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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NilesQ wrote:
TDC troll wrote:
What's the difference if they pay now for one year
or next year for two ?
You'll just have more coming next year .
As far as YBM I would trust em .


1) Time value of money. $2000 today is worth more than $2000 a year from now.

2) The likelyhood of you being cheated out of a sum of money is directionaly proportional to the size of that sum.

3) Murphy's Law. Things just seem to happen to work against you when you're owed money by a hagwan and aren't returning there to work.

I've worked at a few hagwans and always got my money for airfare and severence. However, they always wanted me to re-sign. I would always say I was going home for a couple of months and would contact them when I was ready to return. I had seen other teachers that the schools didnt like fired at 10 months with no payout.


The severance is suppose to be based off the last 3 months of your employment. I suppose if you do not get any raises as you work, you are correct. I do not believe resigning a contract with the same school counts as termination though which is what I believe OP is addressing.
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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
NilesQ wrote:
My understanding of this system is that the ammount increases after a certain numbers of years of continuous service. So one monhts's salary per year up to 5 years (for example only not sure of the increase timing) then after that 1.5 months salary per year up to another number of years.

I used to teach a guy who worked in HR for a big company in Korea. He said that this system caused a lot of people to lose their jobs around the time when the increase would be scheduled. He said it creates a lot of unemployed adjoshis. A company will send you packing before you hit 15 or 20 years so that they arent on the hook for huge lump sum payouts.



Untrue.

http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=260&tab=Standards

www.moel.go.kr/english/download_eng.jsp?type=&file=(39)EMPLOYEERETIREMENTBENEFITSECURITYACT-2011.pdf

I'd love to see that in writing.

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Article 15 (Level of Benefits)
The level of benefits under subparagraph 4 of Article 13 shall be
set in a way that ensures that the amount of lump-sum benefits
calculated based on the retirement date of a pension holder is
equal to or higher than 30 days of the average wages for each
year of his/her consecutive service.

Not mandated by law, but in practice many companies have a system that rewards long service. The idea of the golden parachute or increased retirement benefits is not exclusive to western nations. The minimum is mandated, companies can structure their own packages to attract and retain talent.
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