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NYC_Gal 2.0
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I have, and it does, but it's hardly that far from NYC. The tri-state area is pretty much considered NYC when it comes to pizza. NJ has some great places as well. Still, I maintain that Brooklyn and Staten Island hold the monopoly for most pizza places that are great. The same goes for bagels.
I'm counting down 'til my vacation. I haven't been to NY in a couple of years. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Grimaldi's ftw.
For reals though, you're awfully adventurous. Most of my friends from the City think that Jersey City is an epic trek. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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Italian pizza is like Chinese noodles: they came from there, but others perfected it. It isn't even like Americans changed the recipe�New York pizza was "created" bu Italian immigrants who wanted to create a cheap meal with familiar ingredients, rather than the appetizer that pizza was back home.
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I am confused. you saying Americans perfected pizza? LOL
first of all, American Pizza has nothing to do with the italian immigrant pizza
Lombardis or Grimaldis used Coal fired pizza ovens and were owned and operated by Italian immigrants for Italian Immigrants, they brought the food which they knew with them from the old country.
they didn't change their food for the American people.
from around the 1910s to the 1940's Pizza joints were pretty much run by Italian families and the menus were pretty much unchanged from what you could find in Italy. a few exceptions though.
but the true American pizza wasn't born until the early 40's when the Chicago deep dish was born. and then in the 1950's the birth of pizza hutt and so many other franchises stores, and the 60's with dominoes which really changed pizza for ever, the delivery pizza.
and now 50 years later we have every kind of pizza under the sun.
American pizza is not Italian Pizza.
but the true NEW YORK pizza which is hand tossed and has a high gluten content can only be found in New York, because of the old Copper pipes which create the special tasting water. this goes for New York bagels too. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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There was one poster who said he started a business in Korea. I've been told by some that its very very difficult to start a business without knowing the language and the culture. That's an obvious.
Every 'foreign' business I've seen with possibly one exception have been businesses with a Korean partner and that partner is their wife/girlfriend.
One person said NEVER start a business with a Korean partner who is not your wife. They said that they will eventually screw you. That they do not share the same business ethics culturally as we do in the west so its not as immoral or unethical to screw you.
At the risk of speaking ill of Koreans and thats not my intention. Just echoing what foreign business owners with experience have said.
One joked 'don't start a business with any Korean you're not f*cking'. Basically, your wife (or husband) because they have a vested interest in your success and its both your money.
Also, businesses that involve kids such as hogwons or kindergartens you will need to hire a Korean even if you're fluent in most cases because the moms will not want to discuss it with a foreigner. They feel more comfortable discussing it with a fellow Korean. |
Since all Koreans can all be funneled into the same stereotypes all the time....
You should never start a business with anyone you don't fully trust, Korean or not. You should never start a business in a country where you're not fluent in the language or not fully familiar with the culture.
I know plenty of people who have been screwed by business partners in the US. I know several who refuse to go into business with anyone other than their relatives. I know people who don't even trust family members. Don't bring this anti-Korean sentiment into a thread that doesn't need it. |
lol...slow down fella. First, your first point is obvious. Of course you don't start a business with someone you don't trust. That's enlightening. Second, there are plenty of immigrants in America that have businesses where they are NOT fluent in the language. Koreans especially. I've been in tons of Korean stores where they are far from fluent. Other groups as well. THere are MANY people married to Koreans who have businesses (mainly hogwons and a couple bars) and are NOT fluent. I know a few.
Fourth, the opinion stressed was universal amongst different foreigners I've met. I've thought about the possibiity of a business here myself. There ARE cultural differences everywhere and what is accepted behavior in place can and is different in other places. How many times have we read on here on schools who arbitrariy cheat teachers and the open racism is obvjous. These things happen to the same degree in America? Laughable. Culturally, its acceptable here.
Fifth, its not my intention to be anti Korean and I said that in my post. I was echoing the sentiments of the foreigners I've met who have hands on experience. They are varied and it was a consistent theme. Its the truth as they know it. Calling it anti Korean is a cop out than addressing WHY they wouuld say that. If those that say it were anti Korean they woud hardly want to start a business here, would they? They are married to Koreans, some with Korean children and htey are anti Korean? Give me a break.
I like Korea, love it at times. Have known some I would've considered as a business partner but one has to take advice from people who have experienced it prior. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Italian pizza is like Chinese noodles: they came from there, but others perfected it. It isn't even like Americans changed the recipe�New York pizza was "created" bu Italian immigrants who wanted to create a cheap meal with familiar ingredients, rather than the appetizer that pizza was back home.
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I am confused. you saying Americans perfected pizza? LOL
first of all, American Pizza has nothing to do with the italian immigrant pizza
Lombardis or Grimaldis used Coal fired pizza ovens and were owned and operated by Italian immigrants for Italian Immigrants, they brought the food which they knew with them from the old country.
they didn't change their food for the American people.
from around the 1910s to the 1940's Pizza joints were pretty much run by Italian families and the menus were pretty much unchanged from what you could find in Italy. a few exceptions though.
but the true American pizza wasn't born until the early 40's when the Chicago deep dish was born. and then in the 1950's the birth of pizza hutt and so many other franchises stores, and the 60's with dominoes which really changed pizza for ever, the delivery pizza.
and now 50 years later we have every kind of pizza under the sun.
American pizza is not Italian Pizza.
but the true NEW YORK pizza which is hand tossed and has a high gluten content can only be found in New York, because of the old Copper pipes which create the special tasting water. this goes for New York bagels too. |
what an awesome story - thanks for the post!  |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Italian pizza is like Chinese noodles: they came from there, but others perfected it. It isn't even like Americans changed the recipe�New York pizza was "created" bu Italian immigrants who wanted to create a cheap meal with familiar ingredients, rather than the appetizer that pizza was back home.
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I am confused. you saying Americans perfected pizza? LOL
first of all, American Pizza has nothing to do with the italian immigrant pizza
Lombardis or Grimaldis used Coal fired pizza ovens and were owned and operated by Italian immigrants for Italian Immigrants, they brought the food which they knew with them from the old country.
they didn't change their food for the American people.
from around the 1910s to the 1940's Pizza joints were pretty much run by Italian families and the menus were pretty much unchanged from what you could find in Italy. a few exceptions though.
but the true American pizza wasn't born until the early 40's when the Chicago deep dish was born. and then in the 1950's the birth of pizza hutt and so many other franchises stores, and the 60's with dominoes which really changed pizza for ever, the delivery pizza.
and now 50 years later we have every kind of pizza under the sun.
American pizza is not Italian Pizza.
but the true NEW YORK pizza which is hand tossed and has a high gluten content can only be found in New York, because of the old Copper pipes which create the special tasting water. this goes for New York bagels too. |
They were Italian Immigrants who later became Americans. What is confusing about that? The menus were different. They changed it for Italian people who now lived in America, and wanted something familiar, but in larger portions. Italian pizza is much smaller and thinner. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never stated that it was changed for Americans.
Also, we know it's the water. I'll be bringing back a suitcase full of bagels to pay my pet sitter when we get back.
Thanks for playing, though. You only reiterated what I said, with the exception of your blasphemous Chicago pizza talk. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
They were Italian Immigrants who later became Americans. What is confusing about that? The menus were different. They changed it for Italian people who now lived in America, and wanted something familiar, but in larger portions. Italian pizza is much smaller and thinner. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never stated that it was changed for Americans.
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what the hell are you on about?
they changed it for Italians living in America?? Italians who wanted pizza in a super size? LOL
god, guess you don't know any Italians, chinese, germans or Korean immigrants!
authentic immigrants don't change their food. that's why the Italian pizza didn't change for 40 years. because "AMERICANS" who ever they were in the turn of the century didn't eat foreign food. everyone pretty much ate what their mums were cooking, and restaurants serve to their own kind.
are you even from New York? are you a daughter of an Immigrant?
it wasn't until the second generation immigrants, the sons of immigrants who grew up Americans, started to change the ethnic food into food where foreigners could handle it. not for Italians, but for Americans.
hello Alfredo sauce, meatball spaghetti, dishes which you can't find in Italy. those were made for non Italians.
it wasn't Italians who started the chicago deep dish, dominoes, pizza hutt,
or papa johns for Italian people who wanted something bigger, those businesses were started for Americans living outside of new York for folks living in the middle of America.
you wouldn't catch Italian immigrant kids eating at papa johns .
those were for Archie baker and Brittany Mc Donald.
when I was growing up, the Americans would order the meat ball spaghetti or the Alfredo pasta, Italians NEVER order those, and I am talking about 20 years in the industry. real Italians don't eat bastardizations of their food. trust me on this.
and I am sure Koreans are no different.
2rd 3rd generation Americans will eat anything though.
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Thanks for playing, though. You only reiterated what I said, with the exception of your blasphemous Chicago pizza talk. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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There was one poster who said he started a business in Korea. I've been told by some that its very very difficult to start a business without knowing the language and the culture. That's an obvious.
Every 'foreign' business I've seen with possibly one exception have been businesses with a Korean partner and that partner is their wife/girlfriend.
One person said NEVER start a business with a Korean partner who is not your wife. They said that they will eventually screw you. That they do not share the same business ethics culturally as we do in the west so its not as immoral or unethical to screw you.
At the risk of speaking ill of Koreans and thats not my intention. Just echoing what foreign business owners with experience have said.
One joked 'don't start a business with any Korean you're not f*cking'. Basically, your wife (or husband) because they have a vested interest in your success and its both your money.
Also, businesses that involve kids such as hogwons or kindergartens you will need to hire a Korean even if you're fluent in most cases because the moms will not want to discuss it with a foreigner. They feel more comfortable discussing it with a fellow Korean. |
Since all Koreans can all be funneled into the same stereotypes all the time....
You should never start a business with anyone you don't fully trust, Korean or not. You should never start a business in a country where you're not fluent in the language or not fully familiar with the culture.
I know plenty of people who have been screwed by business partners in the US. I know several who refuse to go into business with anyone other than their relatives. I know people who don't even trust family members. Don't bring this anti-Korean sentiment into a thread that doesn't need it. |
lol...slow down fella. First, your first point is obvious. Of course you don't start a business with someone you don't trust. That's enlightening. Second, there are plenty of immigrants in America that have businesses where they are NOT fluent in the language. Koreans especially. I've been in tons of Korean stores where they are far from fluent. Other groups as well. THere are MANY people married to Koreans who have businesses (mainly hogwons and a couple bars) and are NOT fluent. I know a few.
Fourth, the opinion stressed was universal amongst different foreigners I've met. I've thought about the possibiity of a business here myself. There ARE cultural differences everywhere and what is accepted behavior in place can and is different in other places. How many times have we read on here on schools who arbitrariy cheat teachers and the open racism is obvjous. These things happen to the same degree in America? Laughable. Culturally, its acceptable here.
Fifth, its not my intention to be anti Korean and I said that in my post. I was echoing the sentiments of the foreigners I've met who have hands on experience. They are varied and it was a consistent theme. Its the truth as they know it. Calling it anti Korean is a cop out than addressing WHY they wouuld say that. If those that say it were anti Korean they woud hardly want to start a business here, would they? They are married to Koreans, some with Korean children and htey are anti Korean? Give me a break.
I like Korea, love it at times. Have known some I would've considered as a business partner but one has to take advice from people who have experienced it prior. |
I'm confused. So you state that it's an obvious fact that you only go into business with someone you trust completely. Then you state that if you were to go into business, you'd get screwed over...
I'd start out by finding some better friends if I were you.
As for you using the whole "schools who arbitrariy cheat teachers and the open racism is obvjous (sic)" bit - you're trying to state that employers withholding pay and people being racist against minorities is inherently Korean? I've had friends work in the food service industry in the US who would wholeheartedly disagree.
I also feel that many scream racism where there is none. If someone hates you as a person, it's not automatically racist if he/she is of a different race. My friend has been teaching in Korea (he's ginger and white as can be) in a extremely rural area for the past year and he's told me that the only "racism" he's received is when some of his students called him carrot head... |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
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They were Italian Immigrants who later became Americans. What is confusing about that? The menus were different. They changed it for Italian people who now lived in America, and wanted something familiar, but in larger portions. Italian pizza is much smaller and thinner. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never stated that it was changed for Americans.
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what the hell are you on about?
they changed it for Italians living in America?? Italians who wanted pizza in a super size? LOL
god, guess you don't know any Italians, chinese, germans or Korean immigrants!
authentic immigrants don't change their food. that's why the Italian pizza didn't change for 40 years. because "AMERICANS" who ever they were in the turn of the century didn't eat foreign food. everyone pretty much ate what their mums were cooking, and restaurants serve to their own kind.
are you even from New York? are you a daughter of an Immigrant?
it wasn't until the second generation immigrants, the sons of immigrants who grew up Americans, started to change the ethnic food into food where foreigners could handle it. not for Italians, but for Americans.
hello Alfredo sauce, meatball spaghetti, dishes which you can't find in Italy. those were made for non Italians.
it wasn't Italians who started the chicago deep dish, dominoes, pizza hutt,
or papa johns for Italian people who wanted something bigger, those businesses were started for Americans living outside of new York for folks living in the middle of America.
you wouldn't catch Italian immigrant kids eating at papa johns .
those were for Archie baker and Brittany Mc Donald.
when I was growing up, the Americans would order the meat ball spaghetti or the Alfredo pasta, Italians NEVER order those, and I am talking about 20 years in the industry. real Italians don't eat bastardizations of their food. trust me on this.
and I am sure Koreans are no different.
2rd 3rd generation Americans will eat anything though.
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Thanks for playing, though. You only reiterated what I said, with the exception of your blasphemous Chicago pizza talk. |
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They changed it for themselves. I'm not talking about Papa John's. I'm talking about Brooklyn pizza. Where I grew up, Italians DO eat the pizza, even those right off the boat. It's still different from pizza in the home country. The pie size is larger. A slice or two is a meal, not an appetizer.
I had pizza several times in Italy. It was paper thin. It was delicious, but it was different. Pizza in NY is slightly thicker, and much larger by slice. Again, I'm not talking about midwestern-style pizza. That is a totally American invention.
Anyway, enough. I apologize to the OP for the derailment. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I have opened businesses in Korea before and I PROMISE you it will fail of your only motivation is to avoid teaching |
This sounds like it happened to you. How about telling us your experiences? |
Not personal experience of failure. One is doing well and one is doing very well. But I was really passionate about them both and I often thought if I hadn't been no way I would have been able to commit the time and energy I did. From my experience that's really the key.
Forbes even did a study of 100 millionare entrepreneurs who graduated the same year from college. When ask if they would rather have a job they love or one that pays well, a crazy ratio of the millionares like 90% answered a job they love. comes passion and from that the money will come. My humble opinion anyway. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'd open a recording studio in Korea. No so much because I think it'd do well as I'd just like to run one.
Also, Italian pizza beats the living mozzarella out of pizza from anywhere else. |
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Emark
Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Gun / Rifle / Shooting Range.
I'd even sell guns. Of course Korean law probably prohibits anyone actually taking their fire arm off the range, so they'd have to leave it locked up with me.
One day, just like most businesses here on the peninsula, I would go bankrupt and the business would sink. I'd be sure to do an overnight move out and escape with everyone's guns!
That would be a rocking' article! |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Italian pizza is like Chinese noodles: they came from there, but others perfected it. It isn't even like Americans changed the recipe�New York pizza was "created" bu Italian immigrants who wanted to create a cheap meal with familiar ingredients, rather than the appetizer that pizza was back home.
On a side note: I have ricotta cheese, so am thinking of making a clam pizza today. Yum! |
What the hell are you talking about? Who has perfected Chinese noodles other than the Chinese? This has to be one of the dumber things that I have read in a while. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
Italian pizza is like Chinese noodles: they came from there, but others perfected it. It isn't even like Americans changed the recipe�New York pizza was "created" bu Italian immigrants who wanted to create a cheap meal with familiar ingredients, rather than the appetizer that pizza was back home.
On a side note: I have ricotta cheese, so am thinking of making a clam pizza today. Yum! |
What the hell are you talking about? Who has perfected Chinese noodles other than the Chinese? This has to be one of the dumber things that I have read in a while. |
Are you just pretending to be dense? Some of the earliest references to noodles were in China. It moved west. The Arabs brought it to Sicily in the 7th or 8th century. I'm fairly sure that Italians make some amazing pasta dishes. |
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