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wishfullthinkng



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: what's the best weapon? Reply with quote

so, if you had a trained expert wielding a non-projectile, non-mechanical weapon (basically no guns, things that use propellants or explosives, or anything modern), which hand weapon do you think would be the best and why?

longsword? axe? morningstar? pike? hammer?

your thoughts?
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best for what?
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DejaVu



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly a spear...

Short-range/Long-range/Defense.
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zenger



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All armies in the past issued Swords because they are versatile and deadly.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give the wussy answer of "Depends on the reason".

Am I a normal person? Am I on some medieval battlefield? Do I have to kill someone or is it self defense? Is it the 21st century or the 16th? Am I fighting alone or am I part of a unit? What do my enemies arm themselves with? Do I know who my enemies are? etc. etc.

I'd imagine in the 21st century, where I'm a normal person, the best thing to know how to fight with would be something like a stick or a staff or possibly a knife- whatever translates into an improvised weapon. That and whatever wouldn't get me arrested.

If I was an 18th century gentleman of leisure, I'd imagine either a bow (to impress) or the sabre if I had to fight duel.

If it was a medieval battlefield it would really depend on what my adversaries were armed with and what their tactics were.
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Dave Chance



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese katana vs. European broadsword

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
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goreality



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason so many different weapons were invented is because there is no real answer to that question.
Spears are great for defending particularly in large tight groups. Japanese swords are good for running into combat against other swordsmen for single hand combat.
It really depends how your opponent is armed, how aggressive or mobile you are, how many people you have beside you and what they are armed with...
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot the obvious answer is whatever weapon does the most damage (d4/d6/d8/d10/d12) for the encumbrance it requires in proportion to the loss of armor class required by wielding a two-handed weapon.

Of course we must remember that if one is a druid or a cleric, certain weapons are forbidden.
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wishfullthinkng



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm. let's clarify the situation. the best for foot-based combat over a wide range of terrain. the scenarios: a castle raid. you are with others fighting a group whom you do not know. you don't know what kind of armaments they have either. you will first storm the castle and then defend/maim/kill once inside. you will probably also have to run up and down stairs, fight on level ground, etc.

and again, any non-modern weapon from any region that doesn't use explosives, propellants, projectiles or mechanics and you can only choose one to use. what and why?
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comm



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
the scenarios: a castle raid. you are with others fighting a group whom you do not know. you don't know what kind of armaments they have either. you will first storm the castle and then defend/maim/kill once inside. you will probably also have to run up and down stairs, fight on level ground, etc.

Medium length lightweight thrusting sword paired with medium-small shield.

The shield is pretty much required to get through the hail of arrows and stones that will be coming down on you. Ideally, it would be light enough to feasibly get into the castle with it without falling off a ladder or something.
The sword should be mobile enough to be effective in small corridors and stairways. Castle stairs are designed to go up counter-clockwise so that an attacking (ascending) force isn't able to use powerful-stroke slashing/crushing weapons in their right hand, but a thrusting weapon will still be effective and defeat most armor types. Again, the shield will help to mitigate the advantage the defenders have in being able to freely apply their weapons to your left side.

In a non-combat situation, I'd prefer a thin, well pointed blade of 20-30cm that would be capable of easily sliding through the leather joints of armor. I'd combine that with light-weight, everyday armor such as a leather left gauntlet with steel/chainmail reinforcement on the back of the forearm and both sides of the hands, such that a larger sword could be deflected or arrested safely while my smaller blade finds a weak point to penetrate.
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zenger



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
hmm. let's clarify the situation. the best for foot-based combat over a wide range of terrain. the scenarios: a castle raid. you are with others fighting a group whom you do not know. you don't know what kind of armaments they have either. you will first storm the castle and then defend/maim/kill once inside. you will probably also have to run up and down stairs, fight on level ground, etc.

and again, any non-modern weapon from any region that doesn't use explosives, propellants, projectiles or mechanics and you can only choose one to use. what and why?


I'd take my two Katana combo in that scenario. Short and Long
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Chance wrote:
Japanese katana vs. European broadsword

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo


These sorts of documentaries are terribly inaccuate. There's a german doc that shows the longsword outperforming a katana. That doesn't really much because the performance of a weapon highly depends on the quality of the metal and skill of the person making it. A katana and long sword probably performed similarly.

In reality, samurai were armed with bows and spears the most while the most widely used weapon for knights on foot was the poleaxe.

zenger wrote:
All armies in the past issued Swords because they are versatile and deadly.


Actually, the most widely used infantry weapon throughout history was the spear. Swords are generally poor weapons against armor. Short answer, I would use a spear and a blunt weapon like a mace or hammer as a backup.
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Emark



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 6 month old and rancid kimchi fart.
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fosterman



Joined: 16 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emark wrote:
The 6 month old and rancid kimchi fart.


yeah that would be killer...


but I would go with two shaolin monk knives!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOMTNnyu0UU

easy to conceal up your arm and hidden in your sleeves, and deadly!
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
hmm. let's clarify the situation. the best for foot-based combat over a wide range of terrain. the scenarios: a castle raid. you are with others fighting a group whom you do not know. you don't know what kind of armaments they have either. you will first storm the castle and then defend/maim/kill once inside. you will probably also have to run up and down stairs, fight on level ground, etc.

and again, any non-modern weapon from any region that doesn't use explosives, propellants, projectiles or mechanics and you can only choose one to use. what and why?



I'm not sure what I would attack the castle with, but I know what I would defend it with- trash, chamber pots, a cow, a duck, other livestock, and the finest French taunting in all of England.

As far as you're scenario, will it just be guards I'm attacking or will this include civilians, possibly those involved in a wedding?
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