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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| fosterman wrote: |
most Korea guys are puppies to their women, they are pulled and pushed around by their women. "OPPA, hold my hand bag"! . |
Maybe the ones in relationships.
The OP was talking about those on dates. ie first or second-time meetings, either blind dates, arranged over the internet, or "compensated" dating etc.
From what I've heard there is a relatively high incidence of:
a) Physical assault
b) Rape
c) Drugging or drinks-spiking
d) Plying with excessive alcahol
e) False imprisonment
The women don't bother to report such incidences because they aren't viewed as serious by police. And the simple act of reporting them tarnishes a single womans reputation and percieved value.
| alongway wrote: |
I don't know what Korean guys you've been watching, but living in a university area, I've never really seen that at all. Plenty of young couples around all the time, never seen a guy grab a girl's face. The only fighting I've seen is verbal. |
You have only to look into the recent past to see where todays attitudes come from. Its only 30 years ago that most K-men thought that "high-maintenance" meant having to beat her more than once a fortnight.
For the past 2000 years Korea has viewed women as lower life-forms, barely in posession of their own mind, let alone able to have an opinion. They are traditionally viewed as property, an appendage. Traditionally there is zero focus on emotional relationships between men and women, such sentimentality is laughed at. If there is any such feeling now venturing in, it is due only to the recent influence of western movies.
Domestic violence is I believe declining, but the attitude is still there, that real men are aggressive and must demonstrate physical force over women. He must also show relentless persistence in the face of adversity, even when it comes to pursuing a woman who is patently not interested.
A virtuous woman must play hard to get. Thus she must be forced into intimacy against her will (or at least make a convincing show of resistance).
You couldn't dream up a better recipe for dating violence if you tried. |
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DejaVu
Joined: 27 Jan 2011
Location: Your dreams
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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It's unfortunate to say but a lot of women like this kind of role-playing. Some will take it to extremes (especially in Korea).
I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the men were just confused as to the sincerity of the situation.
[In no way am I condoning violence {although some women clearly do want it}] |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
most Korea guys are puppies to their women, they are pulled and pushed around by their women. "OPPA, hold my hand bag"! . |
Maybe the ones in relationships.
The OP was talking about those on dates. ie first or second-time meetings, either blind dates, arranged over the internet, or "compensated" dating etc.
From what I've heard there is a relatively high incidence of:
a) Physical assault
b) Rape
c) Drugging or drinks-spiking
d) Plying with excessive alcahol
e) False imprisonment
The women don't bother to report such incidences because they aren't viewed as serious by police. And the simple act of reporting them tarnishes a single womans reputation and percieved value.
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utter nonsense.
Stop writing stuff that comes out of your own head and presenting it as fact.
http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2011/06/20/sexual-assault-on-the-rise-in-seoul/
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| At 8:30 a.m. on the morning of April 21, a man sexually assaulted a woman by rubbing his body up against her in a packed subway car going from Jamsil Station in south eastern Seoul to Seoul National University of Education Station on line No. 2. Undercover police witnessed the crime and apprehended the man. The suspect, surprisingly (or not), turned out to be a judge on the Seoul High Court by the name of Mr. Hwang. He submitted his resignation to the Supreme Court the next day. |
Serious enough for a judge to be forced to resign the next day.
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| In 2010, there were 671 reported cases of the sexual assault of passengers on the subway. In May of 2010, 550 of these took place. By June of 2011, there had been 1192 reported cases of the sexual assault of passengers on the subway. Nearly seven hundred of these had taken place in the month of May. |
Seems there are a large number of women who report these assaults...and that's just on the subway.
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| He's right about the rape though. I mentioned it another thread but according to a Korean paper published last year, there's 1 rape every 35 minutes in this country. We also have the highest rate of rapes among OECD countries. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| He's right about the rape though. I mentioned it another thread but according to a Korean paper published last year, there's 1 rape every 35 minutes in this country. We also have the highest rate of rapes among OECD countries. |
In the U.S there is one case of sexual assault every 2 minutes.
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Statistics on Sexual Violence
The following statistics are based on national average.
Statistics on Females
Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.(U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey)
1 out of 6 women have been victims of rape or attempted rape in their lifetime. (National Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.)
38% of women who have been raped were ages 14-17. (PSU)
60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. (U.S. Department of Justice) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| We also have the highest rate of rapes among OECD countries. |
Might you be willing to provide a link for this? |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| We also have the highest rate of rapes among OECD countries. |
Might you be willing to provide a link for this? |
ahhhhhh, the link. Always a chuckle when someone's rebuttle is a link to a site. 2 seconds of research, a lifetime of arrogance. Hard to imagine there might not be a stastistic that explains the truth of the matter? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| In Korea when there is a blood money settlement does that crime enter into the official stats? If not, comparing Korea and US crime statistics is moot. |
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fermentation
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think anyone and everyone should agree that 7,000 is obviously way too low a number for what likely takes place here.
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
In the U.S there is one case of sexual assault every 2 minutes. |
You're talking about a country with a massively higher population than Korea (more people, more assaults, duh)
A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
A country where even brushing against someone is viewed as assault (imagine if that was a law in Korea! The whole country would be behind bars)
A country where even staring at a woman for too long or catcalling is a punishable offense of sexual assault.
...think before you post |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
(1)A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
(2) A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
(3)A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
...think before you post |
(I took the liberty of numbering some of your claims that have already been refuted.)
Good advice. You should take it.
(1)Given the number of reports from the link I posted to the subway...it is clear that not every woman here is afraid to report it either. 1192 reported cases and that is JUST on the subway and only between the start of the year 2011 until June 2011.
(2)One of the quotes in my link clearly states
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| 60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. (U.S. Department of Justice) |
Clearly then the police force (in the U.S) does not actually record EVERY assault and thus (with 60% missing) is OBVIOUSLY not able to compile statistics that are anywhere NEAR accurate.
3. As I pointed out it is seen as a crime here as well. The police investigated this one case of groping. The guy who was a judge was forced to resign the next day.
Sounds pretty serious to me.
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| At 8:30 a.m. on the morning of April 21, a man sexually assaulted a woman by rubbing his body up against her in a packed subway car going from Jamsil Station in south eastern Seoul to Seoul National University of Education Station on line No. 2. Undercover police witnessed the crime and apprehended the man. The suspect, surprisingly (or not), turned out to be a judge on the Seoul High Court by the name of Mr. Hwang. He submitted his resignation to the Supreme Court the next day. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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@TheUrbanMyth
Yes, the judge resigned [why is that a factor here?] but was he arrested and prosecuted for his crime? |
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s.tickbeat
Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: |
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For the past 2000 years Korea has viewed women as lower life-forms, barely in posession of their own mind, let alone able to have an opinion. They are traditionally viewed as property, an appendage. Traditionally there is zero focus on emotional relationships between men and women, such sentimentality is laughed at. If there is any such feeling now venturing in, it is due only to the recent influence of western movies.
Domestic violence is I believe declining, but the attitude is still there, that real men are aggressive and must demonstrate physical force over women. He must also show relentless persistence in the face of adversity, even when it comes to pursuing a woman who is patently not interested.
A virtuous woman must play hard to get. Thus she must be forced into intimacy against her will (or at least make a convincing show of resistance). |
That sounds a lot like western countries, too. Remember, up until the 1950's you could commit a woman to a mental institution for openly enjoying her sexuality. You could also have your wife or daughter lobotomized for hysterics.
It's only very recent that women are people, not property. Very recent indeed that women are recognized as having minds of their own, and even more recent that marriage was anything deeper (or more emotional) than an exchange of property (i.e dowries, inheritance, titles. . . ).
People seem to forget that a woman's place in the west has really only changed in the past 100 years. By contrast, the changes taking place in Korea are lightning-fast.
And haven't you ever heard of the virgin/*beep* dichotomy?
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A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
A country where even brushing against someone is viewed as assault (imagine if that was a law in Korea! The whole country would be behind bars)
A country where even staring at a woman for too long or catcalling is a punishable offense of sexual assault. |
What country are YOU talking about!? The US (and Canada, and western nations in general) have some depressing sexual violence statistics. Roughly 1 in 10 sex crimes are reported to the police, a third of those reports result in criminal charges being laid, and of those charges only half are found guilty. So, let's say out of 100%, 10% are reported, 3,3% result in charges being laid against the suspect, so roughly 1.55% result in convictions.
The west is only marginally better than Korea when it comes to sexual violence.
** all stats regarding reportage and conviction pulled from http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0033m/85f0033m2008019-eng.pdf a StatsCan publication
** see also: http://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
In the U.S there is one case of sexual assault every 2 minutes. |
You're talking about a country with a massively higher population than Korea (more people, more assaults, duh)
A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
A country where even brushing against someone is viewed as assault (imagine if that was a law in Korea! The whole country would be behind bars)
A country where even staring at a woman for too long or catcalling is a punishable offense of sexual assault.
...think before you post |
Population doesn't matter as much as population density.
Also - having taken WMST101, I'd have to say that my professor would disagree with every statement that you've made. 1 out of every 4 women between the ages of 18 and 25 has been sexually assaulted in the United States. More than 1/2 (Can't remember the exact statistic) go unreported. I thought most of what the professor said was a crock of crap, but the one class she did on sexual assault stuck with me. |
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