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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

ghostrider wrote:

According to wikipedia:

"Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner."

So, it sounds like it's quite easy for the average citizen to walk into a gun show and buy a gun... with limited to no wait time and BG check.

As to my original question - sure does sound quite different than the process in Canada, does it not?

see above posts...even though the states may have no laws themselves restricting gun sale....it would appear they are still subject to FEDERAL law (which is a whole different kettle of fish).

The point is, it seems to be totally different in the ease of purchase of a gun. period.

Or, are you saying you can walk into a flea market in Canada and pick up a rifle, easy peasy?

I'm saying we don't have enough info to make an accurate decision. But from what I've seen as long as you have your PAL there doesn't seem to be much difference between Canada and America in terms of ease of buying a gun. (it may be easier in some states) No I doubt you can get them at a flea market (then again I've never tried). But you can just go to a gun shop and get one there.

As a Canadian who's possessed more than one valid PAL and firearms...I can tell you from personal experience that neither are a particularly onerous task...unless they've changed the rules since I last went through them.
And given the scrapping of the long gun registry it doesn't look to be getting any harder.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject:

But that's the point... in Canada you need PAL certification and such, in the US you can walk into a gun show and buy one. Seriously, you don't see the difference there?

Titus

Joined: 19 May 2012

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject:

Leon wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-massacre-james-holmes-175000087.html

back on topic, the guy looks crazy. What a terrible dye job on the hair. It looks like they have him doped up on something in the video.

I believe he was acting today. A few days before he shot all those people he was having beers in his area and acting normal. I dislike using the language of psychology, but he is in my estimation (no psy exp or education) a sociopath. He does not give a damn about what he did and is acting up to avoid the death penalty.

Or maybe the cops medicated him? I doubt that they did that before a court appearance. No. We're looking at a deranged mind trying to avoid death.

Leon

Joined: 31 May 2010

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:50 am Post subject:

Titus wrote:

Leon wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me if they medicated him because they were worried he might do something, or say something, really really crazy. He looks doped up to me.

young_clinton

Joined: 09 Sep 2009

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:22 am Post subject:

Looks like he has a serious case of hyperthyroidism. Look at his mugshot. http://www.inquisitr.com/283380/james-holmes-joker-mugshot-released/

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:51 am Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

But that's the point... in Canada you need PAL certification and such, in the US you can walk into a gun show and buy one.

Seriously, you don't see the difference there?

PAL certification is no big deal though...seriously anyone of legal age and with 2 brain cells to rub together can get it and pretty quickly to boot.

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Firearms Training affiliated instructors conduct Canadian Safety Courses (CFSC) and Exams. After the course, students will be able to comfortably and safely handle a wide variety of firearms, and will be familiar with current laws. In most provinces the Canadian Firearms Safety Course Exam(s) must be passed in order to get a Possession and Acquisition Licence - the actual course is optional.

Yeah without PAL it's easier for Americans in some states to buy weapons. WITH PAL there's not much difference.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:07 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

But that's the point... in Canada you need PAL certification and such, in the US you can walk into a gun show and buy one.

Seriously, you don't see the difference there?

PAL certification is no big deal though...seriously anyone of legal age and with 2 brain cells to rub together can get it and pretty quickly to boot.

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Yeah without PAL it's easier for Americans in some states to buy weapons. WITH PAL there's not much difference.

Two things:

1) I think you're making too little of something like PAL (which seems to be the same thing as FID cards in the States). Yes, it's easy to get, but it adds a layer of scrutiny. Consider that you need a license to drive a car in every US state, but you can go and buy a gun without any such license in the majority of states.

2) "Some states" ultimately means all states, as there are no residency requirements to buy a gun in a given state. As such, though my home state of Massachuetts has fairly stringent gun laws, it's easy to just pop on over the border to the libertarian Mecca of New Hampshire if you want to get around those regulations. Most places in the country will have a state with more lenient gun policies within easy driving distance for those who wish to avoid scrutiny. Basically, I think you can discard the "some states" and just say that it's easier for Americans to buy guns, period.

New Hampshire gun laws, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Hampshire.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:10 am Post subject:

Fox wrote:

I think a lot of liberals are more wary of city-life -- and most especially the parts of cities inhabited by the extremely poor -- than is immediately evident, but have been bullied into silence on the matter. Hell, even talking about statistical truths without being bombarded with accusations of racism is difficult.

I realize this is going off-topic, but what do you mean? If you simply mean that the stereotype of liberals being from urban areas and pro-cities might be overblown, ok, sure. You seem to be trying to make a bigger point though. That more liberals might be critical of city conditions but have been shot down by others (including fellow liberals)? Or what exactly?

I'm just curious since I am a fairly liberal person livin