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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| Remember, up until the 1950's you could commit a woman to a mental institution for openly enjoying her sexuality. You could also have your wife or daughter lobotomized for hysterics. |
Key word: 1950's.
You're trying to claim the west is no different now to how it was 60 years ago.
You also seem to be claiming that it was common to have ones female relatives lobotomized. Nonsense.
An ancient law might have remained on the books, that does not mean it was of widespread use in the culture.
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| 1 out of every 4 women between the ages of 18 and 25 has been sexually assaulted in the United States. |
That includes eg visual assaults "Ooh he stared at me for longer than 0.5 seconds, it made me uncomfortable lets sue him"
The definitions of sexual assault in the US and korea are different.
In the US you only have to look at someone the wrong way and you're off to court. In Korea you have to rape more than 50 women before they even bother to answer the phone.
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| More than 1/2 (Can't remember the exact statistic) go unreported. |
If they go unreported then how do you know they happened? Duh.
Sorry but there are few other countries on earth (apart from e.g. Afghanistan) with such public tolerance for violence against women.
You can kick a womans teeth in here and passers-by will simply step over her and continue their window shopping.
You have only to brush against an ajosshi, however, and he's run to the cops demanding blood money. |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| It never fails to disappoint me the way almost every thread becomes a comparison between American and Korea. It's like comparing two turds and claiming one stinks less. They are both turds. Why not aim for improving the situation rather than using excuses and pointing fingers at other countries? Korea has a problem with sexual violence. Most countries do. What I am interested in is what is Korea doing to remedy the situation? |
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coralreefer_1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
| It never fails to disappoint me the way almost every thread becomes a comparison between American and Korea. It's like comparing two turds and claiming one stinks less. They are both turds. Why not aim for improving the situation rather than using excuses and pointing fingers at other countries? Korea has a problem with sexual violence. Most countries do. What I am interested in is what is Korea doing to remedy the situation? |
Amen...but then again, its likely that the thread was started to do just that...to point (like so many other threads do) at some fault with Korea as if to say " HAHA @ Korea: , stop looking at us foreigners so bad..you have problems too!"...which of course leads to what can only be described as bickering in many cases.
You would be hard pressed to find folks here ready to have a serious "discussion" about any given issue concerning Korea, because it ALWAYS leads to some comparison between Korea and some other country, and as you mention, so many here (some not even from the US) seem to have a big fat hard-on for the US, because it cant help but fall from their lips on a daily basis. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
In the U.S there is one case of sexual assault every 2 minutes. |
You're talking about a country with a massively higher population than Korea (more people, more assaults, duh)
A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
A country where even brushing against someone is viewed as assault (imagine if that was a law in Korea! The whole country would be behind bars)
A country where even staring at a woman for too long or catcalling is a punishable offense of sexual assault.
...think before you post |
Population doesn't matter as much as population density.
Also - having taken WMST101, I'd have to say that my professor would disagree with every statement that you've made. 1 out of every 4 women between the ages of 18 and 25 has been sexually assaulted in the United States. More than 1/2 (Can't remember the exact statistic) go unreported. I thought most of what the professor said was a crock of crap, but the one class she did on sexual assault stuck with me. |
2 things.
First of all those are NOT MY statements. The statistics I quoted above were from (among other recognized sources) the U.S DOJ
As for your professor...I'd say the Department of Justice trumps whatever she had to say as they are more likely to know the facts and have more reliable statistics at their fingertips (so as to speak.) |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It never fails to disappoint me the way almost every thread becomes a comparison between American and Korea. It's like comparing two turds and claiming one stinks less. They are both turds. Why not aim for improving the situation rather than using excuses and pointing fingers at other countries? Korea has a problem with sexual violence. Most countries do. What I am interested in is what is Korea doing to remedy the situation? |
It only seems fair to ask what other countries are doing as well in that case.
But to answer your question. Korea has implemented women-only taxis and women only subway cars.
And not just women but children as well. (see bolded parts in link)
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-06/21/c_13361181.htm
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Amid mounting criticism toward the inefficacy of precautionary measures against child sex crimes that have been implemented by the government, the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology introduced a set of new plans such as a 24-hour patrol system and the installation of closed-circuit televisions at elementary schools nationwide.
However, many families are still in doubt whether such measures could completely prevent released child sex predators from loitering in the vicinity of their children. Adding to their worries is a noticeable increase of sex crimes against children. The number of sexual abuse victims younger than 13 exceeded 1,000 every year between 2007 and 2009, according to data reported to Rep. Ahn Hyoung-hwan of the ruling Grand National Party by the National Police Agency. The government, therefore, faces intensifying demand for tougher penalties for sex crimes, including chemical castration of repeated offenders.
Responding to the calls for stricter laws against sex offenders, the government has acknowledged the need to introduce chemical castration, as part of efforts to prevent recurrence of flagrant sex crimes targeting children. |
And strengthening the laws for harsher punishments.
http://rokdrop.com/2011/10/10/south-korea-to-toughen-sex-crime-penalties/
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| sml7285 wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
In the U.S there is one case of sexual assault every 2 minutes. |
You're talking about a country with a massively higher population than Korea (more people, more assaults, duh)
A country where women are not afraid to report every sexual assault, no matter how minor.
A country with a police force that actually records every assault and compiles accurate statistics.
A country where sexual assault is viewed as a serious crime.
A country where even brushing against someone is viewed as assault (imagine if that was a law in Korea! The whole country would be behind bars)
A country where even staring at a woman for too long or catcalling is a punishable offense of sexual assault.
...think before you post |
Population doesn't matter as much as population density.
Also - having taken WMST101, I'd have to say that my professor would disagree with every statement that you've made. 1 out of every 4 women between the ages of 18 and 25 has been sexually assaulted in the United States. More than 1/2 (Can't remember the exact statistic) go unreported. I thought most of what the professor said was a crock of crap, but the one class she did on sexual assault stuck with me. |
2 things.
First of all those are NOT MY statements. The statistics I quoted above were from (among other recognized sources) the U.S DOJ
As for your professor...I'd say the Department of Justice trumps whatever she had to say as they are more likely to know the facts and have more reliable statistics at their fingertips (so as to speak.) |
If I quoted nautilus, I was probably talking to nautilus... especially since I bolded his quote.
I was pretty much agreeing with you; I don't see why you'd think any differently. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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My apologies (I saw my quote where the other guy had quoted me) and thought you were responding to me.
My bad. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: 7,000 Korean women fall victim to dating violence a year |
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Is that a foreign male in the background?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/07/117_115559.html
"Love may not always be romantic and tender -- about 7,000 Koreans have been suffering from dating violence annually for the last three years, a report said."
�Abuse that happened more than twice, especially when it�s related to drinking, is highly likely to recur,� said Dr. Lim Se-won, a psychiatrist at Kangbuk Samsung Hospital. �It�s important to take action when it first happens.�
Right Dr. Lim Se-won, after the first time a drinking man might stop after the first time so you just don't know until it happens "twice" or...? Women should thank the Dr. for telling them what "action" not to take. I'm guessing Dr. Lim is a female who didn't want to upset the boys for suggesting women should leave a man for being violent. |
Dating violence is somewhat common in all cultures, I would reckon. That's an unfortunate truth. These are the reported cases. The figure reported is a fraction of the real number most probably. |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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To examine how other countries are dealing with a similar problem is fine but most of the time excuses of how other countries have the same problem are used as a cop out by posters who seem unable to to deal with any negative sentiments expressed about Korea.
I personally don't think separate subway cars are the answer. Rather than removing the situation all together men must be taught that sexual harassment is unacceptable. I am happy to see harsher punishments being introduced and hope that they will be implemented fully rather than paying lip service to the public.
An idea I like is to publicly shame any sex offenders. A sandwich board that displays what the pervert was convicted of should be worn in a public place. If they are unwilling to do that then they should be put in prison. I don't think fines are an acceptable punishment. |
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cj1976
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| You don't need stats to see that Korea is full of socially-awkward, women-haters. A lot of guys simply have no idea how to even talk to women, let alone how to respect them as equals. The media also objectify women here, and to be honest, a lot of the girls themselves don't help by pulling the pouty dolly-bird act. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank goodness one can come to Dave's for deep, non-superficial appreciation of women and enlightened attitudes. |
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Yaya
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Korea is considering chemical castration for repeat sex offenders, and that idea it got from Germany.
I just read that some guy in a Chinese village had his johnson chopped off by four men because he'd been sleeping around with the married women in the village. Extreme but effective. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
I just read that some guy in a Chinese village had his johnson chopped off by four men because he'd been sleeping around with the married women in the village. Extreme but effective. |
That kinda raises the wider question of wether our modern justice system really produces a satisfied society.
Imagine if summary group justice (such as the above) was the norm in the west. Would it not be extraordinarily effective in holding society and families together?
What i don't like about develeped countries (such as the west, and korea) is that a massive amount of rude, bad, selfish behaviour goes unpunished. Instead, anyone who reacts to defend themselves from it, or intervenes to help victims...is the one who gets penalized. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah because sleeping with a married women who willingly cooperates is the same as abusing your significant other. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah because sleeping with a married women who willingly cooperates is the same as abusing your significant other. |
It comes close if the wife ends up knocked up and the dude and her end up having to raise the kid.
In a village context I can kind of get that. That kind of stuff can destroy small, close-knit communities and lead to divorce and trauma for the children of the married couples. |
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