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enchoo
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 Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: Discrimination against F-4s in camp positions |
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| I am wondering why there is discrimination against F-4s visa holder in camp positions. |
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viciousdinosaur
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong.
The F-4 visa is for:
1- Foreign citizens who previously possessed ROK citizenship (They must have renounced their ROK citizenship.)
2- Foreign citizens with at least one parent or grandparent who possessed ROK citizenship in the past but who currently is a citizen of another country
So it is not JUST ANYONE WITH A KOREAN FACE.
What you said was ridiculous.
Read up before you spout off ignorant crap:
http://www.koreanconsulate.on.ca/en/?b_id=77&c_id=340&mnu=a02b03&start=1
(for Canadian Koreans for example).
For Korean Americans:
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5. Korean-Americans status(F-4)
- Naturalized Korean-American and his/her immediate descendants can apply for
F-4 visa.
- F-4 visa holders can engage in extensive activity including work in Korea up to
two-years, unlike other visa status, and this status is extendable with Local
Immigration Office.
- For F-4 visa to be issued, the applicant needs to fulfil his Korean nationality
renunciation report with Korean Ministry of Justice or Korean Consulate before visa
application.
- The necessary documents are as follows
1) Passport
2) Completed visa application form with photo attached.
3) Documents proving applicant's origin is Korean such as Korean family registry or
birth certificate, etc
4) Document proving that applicant completed his/her Korean nationality
renunciation report
5) Other documents which are deemed to be necessary by the Korean Justice
Minister.
* In case of a male F-4 visa applicant, there are further qualification requirements if you have not completed your Korea military service duty. If you have not, please contact our visa department for additional information. |
It is easy to mouth off in here but sometimes you will get called on it.
Oh and you do realize that Korean Americans could also just apply for an E2 providing they have a Bachelors degree and a clean record... |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, there is something called racial discrimination. It's pretty high in Korea.
..Gyopos aren't real Americans and don't speak English perfectly. |
Although this is pretty accurate. My uni had some applicants for an English lecturer position, but they were disappointed that no 'real' foreigners applied. Only Korean-Americans and Korean-Canadians. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| Should I expect to show up to Ireland on a boat and say "Here I am. My granddaddy was Irish, so give me permanent residence." Not likely. |
The only reason it's not likely is because they'll give you citizenship rather than just permanent residence.
http://genealogy.about.com/od/ireland/a/citizenship.htm
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| Likewise the law may say descendents of those with Korean citizenship, going back to the grandparent, but if that's 99% of all Koreans in America, it's the same thing. Other than the descendents of the exile governments during the Japanese Occupation, who else could not get an F-4 visa? |
It may be 99% of the Koreans in America, but it's certainly not 99% of the Koreans in the world. Almost all of the people of Korean descent in China, Russia, and the former Soviet states are ineligible for the F-4 as most of their ancestors emigrated prior to the founding of the ROK in 1948. (although the government makes another visa, the H-2, which is much more restrictive and has annual quotas, available to them)
In the case of America, you're correct only because most of the Korean immigration there has been relatively recent. But wait a generation or two and it's likely that many/most Korean-Americans will not qualify for the F-4.
Now what does all of this have to do with discrimination at camps? |
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enchoo
Joined: 04 Jul 2004
Location: Heading to a reality show near you
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: Just so you know Patrick I qualify for 5-6 other visas |
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It is a problem if the first question they ask is "what is your visa?" and then they say "sorry we don't hire F-4s" eventhough my resume and cover letter clearly shows my extensive summer camp, winter camp and total towork experiences.
Just so you know I qualify for E-1, E-2, F-5, and F-6, but it will be more paperwork for me plus travel.
Yes I think it is reverse discrimination.
I guess I will just enjoy my travel to Eastern Europe. Yay!
Cheers!
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Just so you know Patrick I qualify for 5-6 other visas |
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| enchoo wrote: |
It is a problem if the first question they ask is "what is your visa?" and then they say "sorry we don't hire F-4s" eventhough I have extensive summer camp, winter camp and work experiences.
Just so you know I qualify for E-1, E-2, F-5, and F-6.
So Patrick are you one of those people who can not find work in the home country so you come to Korea? |
If having an F-4 is hindering you so much, why don't you just change visa types? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| why don't you just change visa types? |
I prefer to give into the Korean reichstag.
Like oh my god, haven't you seen their latest fashions? They are so fab!! |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Just so you know Patrick I qualify for 5-6 other visas |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Dino
As for the F-4 visa it requires more than "being an american with a Korean face" which is what you said initially.
In case you try to wiggle out of that one here is what you said:
but an American with a Korean face just has to show up with their passport and they can stay as long as they like.
Innacurrate but sure, why let that stop you. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: |
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enchoo wrote:
It is a problem if the first question they ask is "what is your visa?" and then they say "sorry we don't hire F-4s" eventhough I have extensive summer camp, winter camp and work experiences.
Just so you know I qualify for E-1, E-2, F-5, and F-6.
So Patrick are you one of those people who can not find work in the home country so you come to Korea? |
No I am not one of those people sorry to dissapoint you enchoo. |
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viciousdinosaur
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Hoost
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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jesus... people.
stop arguing, it's ridiculous.
Back on topic:
I'm an F-4
I applied for a camp position, I was encouraged over the phone. When I handed them my resume the NEXT DAY in person, he was surprised to see me (first time he saw me in person). He said that the positions were all full.... highly unlikely.
Most likely discrimination, but I wasn't surprised really. Being an F-4 visa there are benefits and disadvantages. No biggies. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Some Korean employers will balk at hiring Koreans who moved or were raised abroad. This usually has to do with an old habit of wanting t westerner for the camp or hakwon for image purposes. Some of these employers think the westerner will be better for the promotion of their school or camp as he or she will attract more parents who wish to place their kids in an English program.
At the end of the day for the employer it is more an issue of greed than racism because if they felt marketing a Korean-American would get them more revenue the turn around would be damn fast. |
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