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greasylake
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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"Nothing in the slightest wrong with having a buddy buy something for you. (unless there was some sort of shortage to feed / clothe the military population, which I doubt is the case)"
I like how you use the "buddy" here and in an earlier post you talk about needing to befriend a serviceman to get you on base. Sounds like you would make a great "buddy." |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Civilian counterparty may get away with it, U.S. service members cannot. It is punishable under UCMJ. Period. |
I knew it was prob not allowed.
But, im sure people break those type rules weekly in Korea.
I am gonna certainly try and get my hands on some duty free electronics and some of my favorite food from home.
Also want to use the sports complex. |
You just have to get to the right office.
There are some special forms that you can file that will allow you to use the PX, all the exercise facilities and buy any duty free goods you want. You'll also be strongly encouraged to engage in a special exercise and physical training program.
This should give you all that you're looking for. Instructions can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gtvILZ-Kw8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXseUagoiMg |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Greasy,
Yea, someone I be-friend, get to know, and hangout with on a normal basis. Buddy
Smh
Ontheway,
Sense of humor! I like that 
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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K10,
I def want to use those gyms and sports complexes. I may be wrong but I think you can buy electronics tax free ect on base.
What ever I wanted to buy id just have my GI friend buy for me. |
You'd be better off buying used gear out of the classifieds the military or expat communities use for most common electronics. So many people cycle out of here regularly that you can buy almost anything in great condition at really good prices. And, the sports complexes I mentioned are all off base. There is little of interest on these bases save to the people who live there.
Are you even in Korea yet? Based on your other post it doesn't seem like it. If you're not here yet and already trying to get away from Korea and onto the base why not join the army? It pays better. |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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You'd be better off buying used gear out of the classifieds the military or expat communities use for most common electronics. So many people cycle out of here regularly that you can buy almost anything in great condition at really good prices. And, the sports complexes I mentioned are all off base. There is little of interest on these bases save to the people who live there.
Are you even in Korea yet? Based on your other post it doesn't seem like it. If you're not here yet and already trying to get away from Korea and onto the base why not join the army? It pays better. |
Classifieds is a good idea, although outside of a tv I wouldnt want 2nd hand electronics. Good for a look though. Nice to know about the sports complexes.
Outside of buying some goods I cant get in "x" Korean city and talking / meeting some Air Force chicks I dont have any interest in going to the base. Def not joining the Army! lol
I will be doing an online program that will take up some of my time in the morning. Korea isnt my fav place (spent some time here), but it is convenient for me working in the evening with my program and making some decent money in the process while I finish up getting my teaching license. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| lol at the sensitivity |
It's not sensitivity or even insensitivity. It's respect for the possible consequences for the military member for violating the law.
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| I don't care about any SOFA rules / laws. |
Well, bully for you. The thing is the military and, more importantly, the host nation here, care very much about the law and the SOFA, which is itself a law.
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| Nothing in the slightest wrong with having a buddy buy something for you. (unless there was some sort of shortage to feed / clothe the military population, which I doubt is the case) |
Well, there is the whole idea of violating the law which is, in the considered opinion of those charged with enforcing said law, being wrong. And, just so you know, the law is in place because the treaty--you remember that one, the one you don't care about?--has a provision for tax-free purchases for members of the visiting forces, certain civilian personnel assigned with said visiting forces, and the dependent family members of the afore-mentioned persons. There is also a provision for retired military members residing in South Korea to use those facilities.
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| No different than having someone that works at a store / company buy something for you at discount. |
It's very different. In the first place, what you're asking for is a violation of both US and South Korean law. Your "buddy" can end up doing time in a military prison for violating those laws. If the item he black-markets to you is electronics (TV, computer, etc.), he is practically guaranteed to lose rank, freedom, and his military career.
Second, a number of stores/companies do have provisions prohibiting the transfer of employee discounts. People have been fired for abusing those company privileges.
If you do find a military friend who will escort you onto the base, you will be limited to going to the restaurants. You are still prohibited from entering the Exchange and the Commissary. You can use the gyms with your friend, though the gyms are not "sports complexes" like you see elsewhere.
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| Get over yourself people. |
Take your own advice and learn a little bit before shooting off at the mouth. You've been given valid information and your response has been to, essentially, whine about that information.
Get over yourself, indeed.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, be careful. If you are going to try this, don't come across as you are coming on this thread. Odds are they'll either tell you to piss off or jack your money.
Don't be that guy standing for 2 hours waiting for your Army "buddy" to come back from the commissary, refusing to admit what has just happened. |
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Benjamino
Joined: 21 Apr 2012
Location: Jinju
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'm ex Forces (UK) and there is no way they'd let anyone un-vetted onto a military base to 'use the facilities' .
The US Forces are more strict than most I've come across and I've had issues entering a NATO base with my British military ID.
That said the guys on duty that day might not give a f**K and let you walk right in. It's happened before and will again. |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
It's not sensitivity or even insensitivity. It's respect for the possible consequences for the military member for violating the law. |
They are grown men and are capable of making decisions for themselves. If it is lax and common then I am sure someone will do it. If it is strickly regulated / monitored and forced well then I will prob have to find another means to what I want.
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Well, bully for you. The thing is the military and, more importantly, the host nation here, care very much about the law and the SOFA, which is itself a law.
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And? There is plenty of dumb rules and laws all over the world that people break all the time. Like I all ready mentioned, I dont see nothing wrong with someone buying something for me. (given the people that is intended for has adequate food and clothes ect which they do)
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Well, there is the whole idea of violating the law which is, in the considered opinion of those charged with enforcing said law, being wrong. And, just so you know, the law is in place because the treaty--you remember that one, the one you don't care about?--has a provision for tax-free purchases for members of the visiting forces, certain civilian personnel assigned with said visiting forces, and the dependent family members of the afore-mentioned persons. There is also a provision for retired military members residing in South Korea to use those facilities.
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Here again, I dont care about any stupid law or regulation.
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It's very different. In the first place, what you're asking for is a violation of both US and South Korean law. Your "buddy" can end up doing time in a military prison for violating those laws. If the item he black-markets to you is electronics (TV, computer, etc.), he is practically guaranteed to lose rank, freedom, and his military career.
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No different. People can and do lose their jobs for doing the same thing in common commercial stores. Thing is people need to be smart about it and not exploit it ie buying in bulk and re-selling for profit. That will draw attention to you. I doubt x military member will serve prison time for buying me a MBP and some boxes of Trix.
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Take you own advice and learn a little bit before shooting off at the mouth. You've been given valid information and your response has been to, essentially, whine about that information.
Get over yourself, indeed. |
I havent "whined" about any info. Wasnt exactly what I wanted to find out, but I aint worried because I know Ill get what I want.
Back at ya bro. |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, be careful. If you are going to try this, don't come across as you are coming on this thread. Odds are they'll either tell you to piss off or jack your money.
Don't be that guy standing for 2 hours waiting for your Army "buddy" to come back from the commissary, refusing to admit what has just happened. |
I wouldnt even ask someone without getting to know them for a significant period of time (2+ months).
Someone that I hanged with regularly and considered a friend. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Internationalist wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Dude, be careful. If you are going to try this, don't come across as you are coming on this thread. Odds are they'll either tell you to piss off or jack your money.
Don't be that guy standing for 2 hours waiting for your Army "buddy" to come back from the commissary, refusing to admit what has just happened. |
I wouldnt even ask someone without getting to know them for a significant period of time (2+ months).
Someone that I hanged with regularly and considered a friend. |
Pretty much every thread you've posted on here so far has been about asking people where to party or how to get onto a US Army base. I'd rethink your priorities and focus on teaching rather than just maximizing your social life. |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much every thread you've posted on here so far has been about asking people where to party or how to get onto a US Army base. I'd rethink your priorities and focus on teaching rather than just maximizing your social life. |
Funny you say that though as I will be doing an accredited math 6-12 teaching certification / licensing program while im in Korea spending most my mornings studying and student teaching at an International School.
But some advice for you..
Id focus on your own priorities and not others as they have nothing to do with you.
Comprende? |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The Internationalist wrote: |
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Pretty much every thread you've posted on here so far has been about asking people where to party or how to get onto a US Army base. I'd rethink your priorities and focus on teaching rather than just maximizing your social life. |
Funny you say that though as I will be doing a fully accredited math 6-12 teaching certification / licensing program while im in Korea spending most my mornings studying and student teaching at an International School.
Id focus on your own priorities and not others as they have nothing to do with you.
Comprende? |
I see posts where you refuse to work outside of major cities, refusing to live "more than a $10 cab ride away" from major clubbing areas; ask if you can get a cell phone contract if you already owe money to another company; demand that you get access to a US Army base, when you still don't have a job yet.
That's what I consider not having your priorities in line.
I'm done with this thread. Not worth getting agitated over. |
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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There's a handful of people on here talking out of their butts when it comes to what and how military think and feel. I Don't imagine they have any familiarity with military in Korea and so I wouldn't trust their opinions on how individual military or Koreans, for that matter feel about SOFA as a whole. Eg: the Korean who was arrested illegally by town patrol --both sides had disregarded parts of the SOFA setting the stage for this major blunder. Koreans got real upset and the USFK took their apologies seriously but if you take a walk around the base there are many grey market shops that sell, or rather resell items from base; I'd call that ambivalence to SOFA as a whole on both administrative and individual levels.
I definitely do not meet any individual soldiers who give an eff about the SOFA for SOFAs sake but I would say very few would consider the consequences for breaking the rules worth buying you an ipod (or whatever).
All that said, it does seem like a douchy move to just make friends with a dude so use can use his PX rations. |
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The Internationalist
Joined: 26 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I see posts where you refuse to work outside of major cities, refusing to live "more than a $10 cab ride away" from major clubbing areas; ask if you can get a cell phone contract if you already owe money to another company; demand that you get access to a US Army base, when you still don't have a job yet.
That's what I consider not having your priorities in line.
I'm done with this thread. Not worth getting agitated over. |
Doesnt matter what you see. You don't know me, or most any of the other posters for that matter.
You know what people say about assuming dont you?
The forum would be much better off if you would keep your trap shut unless it delt with answering peoples questions or providing useful info on the subject at hand. You can keep your ignorant self righteous comments to yourself. |
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