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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Now, how often do you see them taking a smoke break? Sleeping in a car? Sitting around chatting? |
I see the sleeping in the car a lot. Breaking traffic laws is something I see often. It's no surprise they don't enforce the very laws they break.
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| Now I don't know all that much about the Korean police force outside of the few news stories I've read since coming to Korea, but I haven't read anything that even comes close in terms of incompetence. |
As I mentioned, it's not just the media. My personal experiences with them aren't great either. I don't trust the media and I believe there are always two sides or more to a story but the excuses given by the police themselves lead me to believe they really are incompetent.
The criticism of Korean police isn't something made up by Korea hating foreigners or misrepresentation of media. It's a legit concern of Korean citizens and especially Women's groups. |
Perhaps. I just don't have a high opinion of cops in any country. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps. I just don't have a high opinion of cops in any country. |
How shitty other countries' police are have no bearing on the fact that the police in Korea should do their job better. At least react to a crime once in a while before the media and public get angry enough to make the president wag your finger at you. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps. I just don't have a high opinion of cops in any country. |
When I was young and stupid and doing things that were on the questionable side of the law, I hated cops too.
Then I worked a job that faced regular threats of drunk and unruly patrons as well as potential armed robberies, especially during the late night shift.
After working that, I quickly changed my opinion of cops. There is no one you'd rather have sitting in your joint at 11:30 at night as you are getting ready to close down the store and walk out with the days receipts.
Same thing when you're broken down and facing a long walk in freezing wet weather because you forgot to charge your phone, and the sheriff drives by. Or some goofball has been trashing the area around where you work and everyday you have to clean it up.
Suddenly you realize who the good guys are. Are they saints? No. But they are better SOBs than the other SOBs out there. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Simple question - how often do you see police in korea actively doing their job? Pulling people over/stopping fights/arresting people.
Now, how often do you see them taking a smoke break? Sleeping in a car? Sitting around chatting? |
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I can't recall ever seeing police sleeping or smoking on duty in the twenty years I've been here. Not saying it doesn't happen but your question asked how often I've observed it.
I also see them frequently engaging children and the public in our neighborhood, one that I consider extremely safe in comparison to communities of similar size in the west.
I can also say that every time I've called the police they have responded and resolved the situation timely, professionally, and proportionately.
Simple question for you in kind, how have the police responded when you have called?
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: |
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The cops take forever to get to a place, and if the assailant or culprit has fled, they have a "Oh ok, we can go now, right?" attitude. The uselessness of police in Korea is well documented on this board.
But on another note, just imagine if YOUR daughter was raped and murdered by a convicted sex offender who had either taken his monitoring anklet off or slipped through the cracks. I seriously wouldn't know what I would do but let's say I'd be driven to a rage... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
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markhan makes a great point regarding a lot of users here making social comments on Korea when in fact they typically do not speak the language, have few to no Korean friends and hang out with fellow westerners for the most part.
Also, this board is not proof of anything, it does not document anything, in fact it is highly suspect when it comes to a lot of issues or aspects of Korean life & culture. That comes with the territory in an online anonymous forum but to use this board as some sort of proof or reference when commenting on actual social issues in Korea is a bit of a joke.
Now about police officers in Korea. Lots of people confuse the cadets they see in small groups who are tasked with basic public place monitoring (ex: beach boardwalk, underground mall or traffic) with police officers who partrol and investigate. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
markhan makes a great point regarding a lot of users here making social comments on Korea when in fact they typically do not speak the language, have few to no Korean friends and hang out with fellow westerners for the most part.
Also, this board is not proof of anything, it does not document anything, in fact it is highly suspect when it comes to a lot of issues or aspects of Korean life & culture. That comes with the territory in an online anonymous forum but to use this board as some sort of proof or reference when commenting on actual social issues in Korea is a bit of a joke.
Now about police officers in Korea. Lots of people confuse the cadets they see in small groups who are tasked with basic public place monitoring (ex: beach boardwalk, underground mall or traffic) with police officers who partrol and investigate. |
I'm sorry Patrick but in all my time in Korea (1 year in Gyeonggi-do and 3 years in Seoul) I have never seen Korean police officers patrol. When you mean "patrol" do you mean police who walk around an area or neighborhood? I can't recall a time when I've seen Korean police officers do this. They basically stay in their police boxes or are asleep or watching DMB television in their cars.
I am happy to hear evidence from other Dave's posters who can remark about how great the Korean police force is but when Koreans too think that they are incompetent and unremarkable then perhaps our social commentary are not such a joke. Or are those Koreans highly suspect too? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, lets see facts and/or stats to back that up. I read these statements all the time about Korean police so, back it up otherwise it is just your surface opinion.
Did you talk to cops about this? Read some reports?
You also realize the blood money system means that in some cases the cops will prefer the let the involved parties settle the issue or problem with financial compensation and that when this is done, the cops have nothing more to do in such a case? |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.ca/2008/03/man-beats-up-elementary-school-student.html
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| Her parents reported the attack to a nearby police office about 10 minutes after the incident. Police officers collected testimony from the parents and the neighbor and checked the CCTV recording in the elevator. Despite the apparent kidnap attempt, the officers reported to Ilsan Police Station the next day that it was ``just a simple assault case'' committed by a drunken man, based on testimony that he smelled of alcohol. |
That's one report. I'll find many others if you want me to. Here's what I don't get. Why are you defending Korean cops? There are countless news stories where victims report crimes to Korean cops and the cops do nothing. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact. I don't live in Korea anymore, so it'll take me time to find the relevant stories, but I'll dig em up. |
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Collecting testimony is nothing?
Checking the CCTV recording is nothing?
Reporting this as an assault case is nothing?
Actually finding and arresting the guy is nothing?
I'd say this case is not a good example of the cops "doing nothing". |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Now about police officers in Korea. Lots of people confuse the cadets they see in small groups who are tasked with basic public place monitoring (ex: beach boardwalk, underground mall or traffic) with police officers who partrol and investigate. |
This is a good point.
About a couple of years ago I was with some Korean/Western friends in their apartment (about 10 PM) when we heard shouts and screams outside. Naturally we investigated. We found a standoff in the parking lot with some big burly Korean guy holding a little girl in one arm while using the other to fend off the attempts of two policemen and the mother to get the little girl away.
The cops were holding back in order not to hurt the little girl. How do I know this? Because finally the mother came in from behind where the guy couldn't see and grabbed the little girl away. He turned around and the cops tackled him. There ensued an brutal struggle all over the parking lot, bouncing off parked cars, ripping clothes... Finally one of the cops did a leg sweep and threw the guy to the pavement where they were able to sit on him and handcuff him.
These weren't your typical young guys doing military service or whatnot...these guys were older and weren't putting up with any adjoshi nonsense whatsoever. When he was handcuffed he refused to walk and sat on the ground. So they dragged him (literally) over the asphalt and to the cruiser. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, well last Chuseok, I witnessed an average height, average weight, mentally deranged/drunk man take the billy club off a fully badged officer and chase him with it before running off.
Another event in the long list of farcical behavior I have witnessed features a person who reported domestic abuse, chasing the cruiser around the neighbourhood because police couldn't find the correct building after circling it three times.
There's also the general practice where police sit both parties of a dispute right next to each other in police stations.
Oh, yeah, and there was also that time when my girlfriend was assaulted and the cops let the guy escape from the back of the cruiser when they were about to transfer him from the cruiser to the police box. I was the one left to chase down and tackle the guy, as two officers just stood there and watched.
I completely agree that most Korean cops are lazy and ineffective on the job. I never see patrols in my neighbourhood , yet routinely see police slumped over their desks at 11pm in police boxes. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am happy to hear evidence from other Dave's posters who can remark about how great the Korean police force is but when Koreans too think that they are incompetent and unremarkable then perhaps our social commentary are not such a joke. Or are those Koreans highly suspect too? |
You can hear those kind of remarks about police in any country. Yeah lots of Koreans think the police as a group are incompetent and unremarkable. You could find a similar proportion of people back home who believe the same of their local police force.
That however does not translate into that EVERY police officer (in Korea) is incompetent and unremarkable or even most of them.
The fact that the incompetent ones make the news and the fact that it IS NEWS tends to mitigate against that. If it were the norm why would it be reported at all? |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, lets see facts and/or stats to back that up. I read these statements all the time about Korean police so, back it up otherwise it is just your surface opinion.
Did you talk to cops about this? Read some reports?
You also realize the blood money system means that in some cases the cops will prefer the let the involved parties settle the issue or problem with financial compensation and that when this is done, the cops have nothing more to do in such a case? |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.ca/2008/03/man-beats-up-elementary-school-student.html
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| Her parents reported the attack to a nearby police office about 10 minutes after the incident. Police officers collected testimony from the parents and the neighbor and checked the CCTV recording in the elevator. Despite the apparent kidnap attempt, the officers reported to Ilsan Police Station the next day that it was ``just a simple assault case'' committed by a drunken man, based on testimony that he smelled of alcohol. |
That's one report. I'll find many others if you want me to. Here's what I don't get. Why are you defending Korean cops? There are countless news stories where victims report crimes to Korean cops and the cops do nothing. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact. I don't live in Korea anymore, so it'll take me time to find the relevant stories, but I'll dig em up. |
Collecting testimony is nothing?
Checking the CCTV recording is nothing?
Reporting this as an assault case is nothing?
Actually finding and arresting the guy is nothing?
I'd say this case is not a good example of the cops "doing nothing". |
Oh wow.....
1. checking tape requires no effort. So :clap: :clap: :clap: to the police for actually doing that. 
2. Collecting testimony also requires little effort (relatively speaking).
3. The cops reported it as a simple assault committed by a drunk. If you don't see how wrong that is in this story, then there is no hope for u.
did you read the entire thing??
4. They found him after public pressure / media intervention.
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| Police are being criticized for neglecting the case and thus losing the chance to catch the suspect at an early stage. It was also reported that the police asked her mother not to talk about the case to the media. |
Even the president chimed in on the crap police reponse
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President Lee Myung-bak said Monday that the public is incensed over the police's lukewarm attitude.
``As seen on the CCTV recording, it was really brutal. The state's utmost duty is to protect people's lives, but the police still show such an attitude at this time when many cruel cases remain unsolved and people feel pity for them. The police need to change,'' Lee said |
The parents themselves had to take matters into their own hands.
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| On March 27, around 100 leaflets displaying the face of the criminal were posted in and around the apartment complex, printed by the parents after they heard nothing from the police. It wasn�t until March 29 that a detective from Ilsan Police Station came to investigate the scene of the crime, which had been assigned to him on March 27. The detective is said to have taken a day off on March 28. It was only after the news report on Sunday night that the chief of Ilsan Police Station appointed an investigative team to the case and made a huge ruckus in the process. |
More from the awesome police.
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| The girl�s father reported the case 10 minutes later. The Daehwa branch of the Ilsan police department took the call, but only informed higher authorities the next day, classifying it as a misdemeanor, police said. Although witnesses and the surveillance footage showed the man was holding a weapon, the initial police report left out that information, police said. The case was initially categorized as misbehavior toward a child by a drunken man. Police also obtained a fingerprint believed to be that of the suspect from the elevator, but waited two days to send the evidence to the crime lab. They didn�t get a positive identification, so they told the girl�s parents there was nothing they could do.After the angry parents and neighbors criticized the lack of effort by the police and posted posters with a photo of the suspect from the video footage, the police on Saturday took a look at the tape for the first time. |
OK TUM, how about you try to defend the police or spin the above into something positive.
TUM defends the police while the President himself criticizes them.
wow..... |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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OK TUM, how about you try to defend the police or spin the above into something positive.
TUM defends the police while the President himself criticizes them.
wow..... |
I expect that we will hear that "other country's (insert anything about Korea being discussed remotely negatively) blah..blah..." talk that we always hear. Oh wait, we already did.
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| You can hear those kind of remarks about police in any country. Yeah lots of Koreans think the police as a group are incompetent and unremarkable. You could find a similar proportion of people back home who believe the same of their local police force. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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OK TUM, how about you try to defend the police or spin the above into something positive.
TUM defends the police while the President himself criticizes them.
wow..... |
I suggest you read again. I did not defend the police I merely pointed out that they did not do as you claimed, nothing.
Drop the histrionics please.
How about you provide these countless stories that you so kindly offered to furnish us with?
A round dozen should do for starters...seeing as how there are literally "countless" stories, a dozen should take no time at all. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
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Simple question - how often do you see police in korea actively doing their job? Pulling people over/stopping fights/arresting people.
Now, how often do you see them taking a smoke break? Sleeping in a car? Sitting around chatting? |
Simple answer:
I can't recall ever seeing police sleeping or smoking on duty in the twenty years I've been here. Not saying it doesn't happen but your question asked how often I've observed it.
I also see them frequently engaging children and the public in our neighborhood, one that I consider extremely safe in comparison to communities of similar size in the west.
I can also say that every time I've called the police they have responded and resolved the situation timely, professionally, and proportionately.
Simple question for you in kind, how have the police responded when you have called?
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It's been a mixed bag when I've had to deal with the police. During a traffic accident, I found them to be professional. But in other instances, I found them to either be dismissive, lazy, or generally not interested in doing their job.
Unfortunately for me, as others have mentioned, I've seen them sleeping in their cars and relaxing on numerous occasions. So perhaps I just have lived in different areas than you, or had better/worse luck.
I'm glad you live in a safe neighbourhood where police are on the ball. Very cool that they are engaging the public.
Can't say I see the same though - but again, perhaps you just live in better areas than me. |
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