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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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These Korean haters!
http://www.mt.co.kr/view/mtview.php?type=1&no=2012072416390947774&outlink=1
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1년 365일, 성폭력이나 가정폭력 등 수많은 피해자들이 경찰의 잘못된 대처로 인해 더 큰 피해를 입거나 신고 자체를 포기하고 있다
365 days out of a year, due to poor reaction from the Police, countless victims of sexual and domestic violence are even further harmed or they give up reporting altogether.
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Oh wait, these are Korean women's groups who tired of police incompetence. Maybe their opinions have some merit?
This isn't about giving Korea a bad name, this is about being aware of reality. The reality is that while Korea seems safe, citizens should be vigilant of their own protection. Don't rely on the police to be there for you.
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They are below par in the opinion of the majority of Koreans. |
Koreans who pay cops' wages through taxes and rely on them for protection in a country where means of self-defense is limited. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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OK TUM, how about you try to defend the police or spin the above into something positive.
TUM defends the police while the President himself criticizes them.
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I suggest you read again. I did not defend the police I merely pointed out that they did not do as you claimed, nothing.
Drop the histrionics please.
How about you provide these countless stories that you so kindly offered to furnish us with?
A round dozen should do for starters...seeing as how there are literally "countless" stories, a dozen should take no time at all. |
So when I said "nothing", you took it literally? As in they sat in their chairs and just waited and did nothing?
I know you are smarter than that sir. You know exactly what I meant when I said they did nothing in that story. Nothing is being used as a figure of speech. Obviously they did "something", it just that their "something" really sucked when compared to other Police.
Actually, I do believe you are defending the police.
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You believe erroneously sir. Then again you are completely free to do.
When you said "nothing" I took you at your word as one gentleman to another. I was not aware you had a different definition of the word as it appears in most dictionaries.
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| Obviously they did "something", it just that their "something" really sucked when compared to other Police. |
See if you had said this in the first place I would have agreed with you in that case. |
If somebody had said that they were so hungry they could eat a horse, would you expect them to eat a horse? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Improvements can and should be made in the police force. I agree. Their procedures could use some updating as does their training. |
Do you remember years back when they questioned the young rape victims in front of the boys who raped them?
Do you know that police still routinely put victim and accuser in the same room for getting statements?
Seriously, man. There are many things I like about korea - but the policing is NOT one of them. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| Improvements can and should be made in the police force. I agree. Their procedures could use some updating as does their training. |
Do you remember years back when they questioned the young rape victims in front of the boys who raped them?
Do you know that police still routinely put victim and accuser in the same room for getting statements?
Seriously, man. There are many things I like about korea - but the policing is NOT one of them. |
Takes a long time to change attitudes. I guess it wasn't too long ago that rape victims either killed themselves, was kept quiet or married their rapist in Korea. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Improvements can and should be made in the police force. I agree. Their procedures could use some updating as does their training. |
Do you remember years back when they questioned the young rape victims in front of the boys who raped them?
Do you know that police still routinely put victim and accuser in the same room for getting statements?
Seriously, man. There are many things I like about korea - but the policing is NOT one of them. |
Never said I "liked" policing in Korea. 
That was not my point Capt.
I was discussing constructive and measured criticism vs unfounded and out of proportion slagging off.
For the record, I do not like or dislike cops in Korea. I do think there are many types of cops and that frankly speaking how they operate varies greatly from one place to another (ex: Busan vs Seoul, Small town...). |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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But really, is there a need for constructive criticism of the police on here? I'm all for being fair and balanced, ok, but it's not like the police services are going to read this thread for input. This is just a few ppl, sitting around, and typing opinions on their comps.
We're not here to solve the problems plaguing the police here in Korea - and there are many of them. Some of us are simply saying that we see lots of faults in how they do their job.
And having seen numerous cops sleeping in their cars here over the years, I'm very comfortable with saying that I don't like how they do their jobs.
Now, if you are perfectly content with the police here (not saying you are), then that's cool. Some ppl obviously have different expectations and/or experiences. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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But really, is there a need for constructive criticism of the police on here? I'm all for being fair and balanced, ok, but it's not like the police services are going to read this thread for input. This is just a few ppl, sitting around, and typing opinions on their comps.
We're not here to solve the problems plaguing the police here in Korea - and there are many of them. Some of us are simply saying that we see lots of faults in how they do their job.
And having seen numerous cops sleeping in their cars here over the years, I'm very comfortable with saying that I don't like how they do their jobs.
Now, if you are perfectly content with the police here (not saying you are), then that's cool. Some ppl obviously have different expectations and/or experiences. |
Yes, but you must find the exact and proportianately fair way to criticize the police force in Korea. Give us percentages, for example. If not, you mustn't say anything at all because you'll upset the people who make charts and graphs, putting their brains at an equillibrium in the comparison of countries and their self-worth.
There's nothing anyone can do if you understate. Understatement is the key. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:36 am Post subject: |
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No worries Capt. I have no problem with your last reply.
Searching for constructive debate/criticism on here is a bit of a futile endeavor anyway! |
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zombiedog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Yawn. Another lame attempt to impose Western values on a non-Western culture. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yawn. Another lame attempt to impose Western values on a non-Western culture. |
Yes, a working police force and children not getting raped and murdered is clearly only a "western" concept.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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No worries Capt. I have no problem with your last reply.
Searching for constructive debate/criticism on here is a bit of a futile endeavor anyway! |
Yeah, I'm not keen on blanket statements either. I'm one of the first to jump on generalizations.
But that being said, I think there's room for honest criticism in this case. It's nearly impossible to garner stats regarding police productivity here, so unfortunately, we often have to rely on first hand accounts.
I also want to point out, as Fermentation has many times, that it is Koreans themselves who hold the police in low regard. If I recall, last year or so there was a survey about confidence in government (or something like that). The police scored the lowest on the list.
The lowest.
That's pretty bad. It's not like they scored that low because of torture and suspect disappearances.
They really need to clean themselves up, IMO. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't the cops themselves sorta admitting that they slack off when it comes to their job? Isn't that what the recent crackdown on insulting the police is about?
That being said, the cops where I live are actually pretty good, unbiased and actually seemed to track down leads and give half a thought to proper police procedure. But that might be because it's so quiet and boring here that anything that happens gets them excited to actually do something.
But so many times driving around I've seen the ubiquitous cop car pulled over with the windows and hat down and the feet up.
And yeah, every Korean I know thinks the cops by and large are a joke (an exception being Koreans in small towns talking about their own police). |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| I'm curious. What are all you folks on here up to that occasions you to have so much interaction with the police? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| There was a 'box' right next to the building I lived in for 5 years. Got to see them in (in)action a lot. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| There was a 'box' right next to the building I lived in for 5 years. Got to see them in (in)action a lot. |
Well that is kind of my point Capt. You saw one cop box in your area which does not represent what detectives do for example. What you saw was beat cops assigned to a neighborghood box, not exactly a priority assignment right?
The police can and should improve their methods and I am sure they are doing just that as newer cops join the force.
I lived in Busan and for the last few years of my stay was in the Haeundae area. Well, there are cops assignment to beach patrol. They took it easy and they sure were not there to deal with major issues.
Living in Korea we felt very safe with our kids in general terms. We took some precautions and remained aware of certain issues (traffic for example). Anyway, I think a lot of this debate on cops is populated by surface impressions, by people with biases and sorely lacks factual evidence or even reliable information. This is the nature of the beast on online forums. Good luck with the debate and I think I said enough on the issue! |
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