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HydroOwl
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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: Got fired...some questions |
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I got fired from a hagwon last week in part because I had a hard time with kindergarten kids but mostly because the head teacher didn't like me and wanted me gone.
The owner is being nice about it though and offered to give me a letter and I have a month to get a new job and move out.
I believe if I have the letter that means I'll be able to transfer the visa without leaving the country, correct?
And as far as the old job is concerned, do I tell new schools that I have 5 months experience and what would be the best thing to say about why I had to leave, etc.
Thanks in advance |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You won't really be able to hide the fact that you worked for just 5 months. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Working 5 months isn't much of an issue. Being in Korea with everything ready will help you. Schools won't prefer someone abroad.
Use that to your advantage, talk with the manager of the next possible school. If you get along, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. It all hinges on how well you get along with the school, and if the owner isn't there then that usually means you will be dealing with the manager.
I don't see a problem, just stay away from kindy jobs if that's a problem for you. For me it is also. 3rd grade and up, I don't even bother teaching the 1st and 2nd graders. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Your biggest problem will be convincing any prospective employers that you are a good teacher and NOT the kind of teacher your last hagwon thought you were. Which is NOT a very good one. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Your biggest problem will be convincing any prospective employers that you are a good teacher and NOT the kind of teacher your last hagwon thought you were. Which is NOT a very good one. |
Not necessarily. If the current employer will write him a letter of recommendation and say that the teacher's being let go for financial reasons or because the hogwon is switching to another topic (e.g. test preparation) then the short period at this school isn't important.
Even if he doesn't get a reference letter and the school says horrible things about his, it's still not a huge problem. He just needs to tell the schools and recruiters that he had a personal problem with a co-worker, or that he confronted the owner about something shady that was going on and got fired for it. The bad reference that the employer is giving could be just a matter of being vindictive.
OP, one thing that you SHOULD be concerned about is that you're under the 6 month mark. Even with a LOR, immigration might not let you transfer. You should call them right away to ask them if it's possible.
If it's possible to transfer early, then ask your boss if he's willing to write you the LOR for any date that you choose in the next month. That way if you find a school that wants a new teacher ASAP, you can leave your current job and transfer to the other school.
On another topic, has your current employer been contributing to pension? paying taxes? enrolled you in national health insurance? If not, you will want to take care of that right after you transfer. You can also use them as leverage if the current employer won't give you a good reference letter. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think any prospective new school is going to find out from immigration that he worked for only 5 months at another hagwon, if he omits it from his CV. I could be wrong. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think any prospective new school is going to find out from immigration that he worked for only 5 months at another hagwon, if he omits it from his CV. I could be wrong. |
They'll take his passport to process his visa and then to register him at MOE. All they have to do is look at the dates on the visa in his passport and they'll know. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think any prospective new school is going to find out from immigration that he worked for only 5 months at another hagwon, if he omits it from his CV. I could be wrong. |
They'll take his passport to process his visa and then to register him at MOE. All they have to do is look at the dates on the visa in his passport and they'll know. |
5 months doesn't really matter folks. Recruiters are going to be the ones who want to weed that type of stuff out because they are the ones trying to get a teacher for the school and that would be a year. The school or immigration is not going to care. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think any prospective new school is going to find out from immigration that he worked for only 5 months at another hagwon, if he omits it from his CV. I could be wrong. |
They'll take his passport to process his visa and then to register him at MOE. All they have to do is look at the dates on the visa in his passport and they'll know. |
5 months doesn't really matter folks. Recruiters are going to be the ones who want to weed that type of stuff out because they are the ones trying to get a teacher for the school and that would be a year. The school or immigration is not going to care. |
Exactly, they won't care, so why lie about it? Most hagwons couldn't care less if you have any experience. They just want someone now to fill a classroom, because they procrastinated and left it to the last week. |
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HydroOwl
Joined: 21 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Your biggest problem will be convincing any prospective employers that you are a good teacher and NOT the kind of teacher your last hagwon thought you were. Which is NOT a very good one. |
Not necessarily. If the current employer will write him a letter of recommendation and say that the teacher's being let go for financial reasons or because the hogwon is switching to another topic (e.g. test preparation) then the short period at this school isn't important.
Even if he doesn't get a reference letter and the school says horrible things about his, it's still not a huge problem. He just needs to tell the schools and recruiters that he had a personal problem with a co-worker, or that he confronted the owner about something shady that was going on and got fired for it. The bad reference that the employer is giving could be just a matter of being vindictive.
OP, one thing that you SHOULD be concerned about is that you're under the 6 month mark. Even with a LOR, immigration might not let you transfer. You should call them right away to ask them if it's possible.
If it's possible to transfer early, then ask your boss if he's willing to write you the LOR for any date that you choose in the next month. That way if you find a school that wants a new teacher ASAP, you can leave your current job and transfer to the other school.
On another topic, has your current employer been contributing to pension? paying taxes? enrolled you in national health insurance? If not, you will want to take care of that right after you transfer. You can also use them as leverage if the current employer won't give you a good reference letter. |
I don't really see why they would write me a letter of recommendation. As I said in the first post the head teacher hates me and the owner has only heard the bad things about me that she told him.
As far as the 6 month limit, by the end of August it will have been 6 months, so hopefully that won't be an issue.
And yea they do pay health insurance, pension, etc.
One thing about the school though, they didn't really follow the contract. I was scheduled 9:30-5 and they had me in anywhere from 9-6:15, for instance. That would be something I could tell new schools as to why I stopped working after only 5 months right? (even though I got fired, not quit) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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It's best not to say anything bad about the school.
Just say you weren't suited to teach kindy and leave it at that.
If the new boss is worth his/her salt, they will understand.
If they don't understand, you're better off not working for them.
I was lousy with the younger kids as well.
Not everyone is cut out for that age group. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| HydroOwl wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Your biggest problem will be convincing any prospective employers that you are a good teacher and NOT the kind of teacher your last hagwon thought you were. Which is NOT a very good one. |
Not necessarily. If the current employer will write him a letter of recommendation and say that the teacher's being let go for financial reasons or because the hogwon is switching to another topic (e.g. test preparation) then the short period at this school isn't important.
Even if he doesn't get a reference letter and the school says horrible things about his, it's still not a huge problem. He just needs to tell the schools and recruiters that he had a personal problem with a co-worker, or that he confronted the owner about something shady that was going on and got fired for it. The bad reference that the employer is giving could be just a matter of being vindictive.
OP, one thing that you SHOULD be concerned about is that you're under the 6 month mark. Even with a LOR, immigration might not let you transfer. You should call them right away to ask them if it's possible.
If it's possible to transfer early, then ask your boss if he's willing to write you the LOR for any date that you choose in the next month. That way if you find a school that wants a new teacher ASAP, you can leave your current job and transfer to the other school.
On another topic, has your current employer been contributing to pension? paying taxes? enrolled you in national health insurance? If not, you will want to take care of that right after you transfer. You can also use them as leverage if the current employer won't give you a good reference letter. |
I don't really see why they would write me a letter of recommendation. As I said in the first post the head teacher hates me and the owner has only heard the bad things about me that she told him.
As far as the 6 month limit, by the end of August it will have been 6 months, so hopefully that won't be an issue.
And yea they do pay health insurance, pension, etc.
One thing about the school though, they didn't really follow the contract. I was scheduled 9:30-5 and they had me in anywhere from 9-6:15, for instance. That would be something I could tell new schools as to why I stopped working after only 5 months right? (even though I got fired, not quit) |
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The owner is being nice about it though and offered to give me a letter and I have a month to get a new job and move out.
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I interpreted that as meaning the boss was willing to help you out.
If he's not willing to help you out and the school hasn't really done anything wrong, then you don't have much case against them.
Still, call immigration and find out about whether or not you can use the LOR to transfer. If you've finished 6 months by the time you actually leave the job then you should be good to go on that front. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's best not to say anything bad about the school.
Just say you weren't suited to teach kindy and leave it at that.
If the new boss is worth his/her salt, they will understand.
If they don't understand, you're better off not working for them.
I was lousy with the younger kids as well.
Not everyone is cut out for that age group. |
I agree, you need to try to teach elementary school or middle school kids. The younger kids are difficult and take an extraordinary amount of patients. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's best not to say anything bad about the school.
Just say you weren't suited to teach kindy and leave it at that.
If the new boss is worth his/her salt, they will understand.
If they don't understand, you're better off not working for them.
I was lousy with the younger kids as well.
Not everyone is cut out for that age group. |
I agree, you need to try to teach elementary school or middle school kids. The younger kids are difficult and take an extraordinary amount of patients. |
The kids take patients? They must be like Doogie Howser. |
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Keeper
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's best not to say anything bad about the school.
Just say you weren't suited to teach kindy and leave it at that.
If the new boss is worth his/her salt, they will understand.
If they don't understand, you're better off not working for them.
I was lousy with the younger kids as well.
Not everyone is cut out for that age group. |
I agree, you need to try to teach elementary school or middle school kids. The younger kids are difficult and take an extraordinary amount of patients. |
The kids take patients? They must be like Doogie Howser. |
I imagine Korean kids like to play doctor too. |
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