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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Anyone who's never heard of Paul Ryan simply does not follow American politics, or watch the news.
America is broke. America needs to cut absolutely EVERYTHING. Americans need to make believe they are *not* third-world leeches; they need to provide for themselves without government coddling. |
This is only true if you buy into the right wing philosophy. We are not at all broke. We have managed to get ourselves into a corner of shovelling all the wealth of the country into the hands of a very few people at the top. This is a plan of the plutocrats. This is a plan of Romney/Ryan. It hasn't worked in 30 years and is not at all likely to work at any time in the next 30 years, but it is the fantasy of the 1%.
One simple solution is to reduce 'defense' spending for about 15 years while the boomers work their way through the retirement phase of life. The Right prefers to pretend that they will always be alive. It's called government by fear and government by division. It's a lie, as is much of what the right says. |
So why doesn't your lefty hero Obama do what you say? Oh, it's because Obama spends billions on defense and third worlders; his voter base.
Most Americans pay no income tax. Your precious 1% pays for most of your leeching masses.
http://mjperry.blogspot.ca/2008/08/tax-facts-of-day.html
You believe in force. Brutality. Punishment. Coercion. The nanny state. The result? Our Eduardo Saverins leave. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I meant "monied" interests, but I was busy answering my phone while in my garage/man-cave and I had just popped my first beer after getting home from work and....
Aww, whatevs......
...And I didn't even mean to type "whatevs" cuz that's no good, and what I meant to type was F Bernanke (that ZIRP douche) and Timmay Geithner that pompous pr.....
I'll stop there, but if you are an American and past the age of majority I sincerely find it hard to understand why you don't "get it". |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Idiotic Fashion Mag Labels Paul Ryan Annoying Libertarian Ex-Boyfriend
Let's nip this Paul-Ryan-is-a-Libertarian meme in the bud.
Paul Ryan is NOT libertarian.
No matter how much the GOP or the Dems prefer to pretend he might be libertarian; his record indicates he's a big gov't, Bush-era establishment Republican.
Even MoJo recognizes the only libertarian aspect about him is his support of CAFTA.
Though I'm no fan of Ayn Rand, not even she would consider him libertarian.
The reality of Paul Ryan
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[Paul] Ryan [] voted in support of TARP, the $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill.
Oh, and Ryan benefitted handily from that reprehensible vote. He recently snagged $12,150 from Wells Fargo, $10,000 from Goldman Sachs and $9,700 from Bank of America for his campaign coffers, according to campaign disclosures published by the website Open Secrets.
The conservative cause's golden boy has plenty more bad votes where that came from. In 2003, Ryan voted for Medicare Part D, which expanded government control of healthcare to make prescription drugs an entitlement -- and cost Americans more than $55 billion annually, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.
Ryan also voted for the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind and ethanol subsidies.
He even opposes repealing the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires federal construction contractors to pay prevailing wages. Davis-Bacon increases construction costs for taxpayers and discriminates against talented non-union workers. As a result of this AFL-CIO brownnosing, Ryan has racked up tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from labor unions, according to Mother Jones.
Even "The Path to Prosperity," Ryan's deficit decreasing budget proposal, wasn't nearly as fiscally conservative as he would have Americans believe.
Ryan's proposed budget, for example, does nothing to reduce America's ballooning defense spending, which has doubled in the past decade, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget. The Cato Institute found that "The Path to Prosperity" only modestly decreases nondefense discretionary spending, does little to roll back the size and scope of federal bureaucracies and fails to actually provide for specific ways to trim Social Security -- a major component of Ryan's cost savings. |
Caniff is correct; Romney's selection of Ryan indicates more of the same, if not worse (as if Romney needed to select a VeeP to prove he's a shill for monied interests). |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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I have an idea! Let's turn America into Europe:
1) Let's have the state, government, & legislation create jobs, rather than the private market!
2) Let's not work very hard!
3) Let's regulate absolutely EVERYTHING!
4) Let's pay ourselves huge minimum wages!
5) Let's all take six months off work if our wife has a kid!
6) Let's all get free healthcare, free education, free welfare, free employment insurance, free paid sick days, free paid vacations, and free senior pensions!
Let's all ignore economic reality! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Kimbop, would you say both "choices" this November suck, or is one significantly better? Just curious.
(I guess I framed my question poorly as one could be significantly better than the other and still suck, but you get my drift.) |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Kimbop, would you say both "choices" this November suck, or is one significantly better? Just curious.
(I guess I framed my question poorly as one could be significantly better than the other and still suck, but you get my drift.) |
Both suck. One is marginally better. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Ryan is NOT libertarian. |
Here we go again.
Unless you are the Pope of libertarians, you are not in the position to declare by fiat/dictat who is and is not a libertarian.
He is quite (completely/totally/11% ??) libertarian on economic matters; not so much on social issues. So set aside his heretical apostasy on personhood restrictions. He's your guy on gutting the social safety net. He just is. Vouchers? Check. 25% tax cuts for the wealthy? Check.
This is to say nothing of his European atheistic philosophical background.
Why do libertarians hate America so much? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
He is quite (completely/totally/11% ??) libertarian on economic matters; not so much on social issues. |
You've just admitted Paul Ryan's a social conservative.
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| Why do libertarians hate America so much? |
We hate dishonest partisans, not America. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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He is quite (completely/totally/11% ??) libertarian on economic matters; not so much on social issues. |
You've just admitted Paul Ryan's a social conservative.
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| Why do libertarians hate America so much? |
We hate dishonest partisans, not America. |
Hmmm...doesn't 'admit' involve something that was hidden before? Has that been a secret from anyone?
'dishonest partisans'....
Really? Aren't libertarians just unreconstructed Anti-federalists from 1787? You lost the fight over building a strong central government and have been fighting the same battle ever since? |
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