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[Stewie]

Recently I've been looking in to teaching overseas - mainly Japan and Korea - and have been presented with a tentative offer from a Canadian recruiter (Glenn Alexander - ETO) to teach at ECC Gwang-ju in South Korea.

I was wondering if anyone out there has any comments/information/testimonials (good or bad) on their dealings with SISA ECC, the Gwang-ju school in particular, as well as the reliability of the recruiter himself.

This is a very big decision for me and any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
"Stewie"

[PEIGUY]

do a search on ECC and YBM you will find lots of threads. The school you mentioned is a franchise of ECC so it could be good, it may not (they are hit/miss). Often the company owned schools are the best route to go but its your own personal choice. The company owned schools don't use recruiters and therefore you don't have to pay any fees and are honest when you ask them questions. Just PM me if you want some more info.. i just across the water from you...

[katydid]

Is this the Gwangju in Jeollanamdo or the one in Gyeonggi-do?
There is an ECC in...Bongsundong (ECC Namgu, I think) that does not teach Saturdays (at least it did not when I worked in Gwangju) and there is one in the Sangmuchigu area that does.

[Stewie]

Not sure on the exact location... all I know is that it's a children's school (Kindergarten to Gr. 9) and that it's somewhere in South West Korea.

Though the description I've been given does say that this particular school teaches on Saturdays...

[Lost Seoul]

Here are some previous posts about ECC/YBM/Sisa franchise:

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Chris
[email protected]
English Teacher
Italy
Posted: Unknown

I am currently working in the Italian state school system, where I enjoy a very professional working methodology, and where my confidence in the ESL profession has been fully restored following my return from South Korea.
My statement is simply this, that the ECC/YBM franchises who buy into the main companies name are unregulated by the that head office, and as such the Directors of these private schools are free to treat teachers in any manner they see fit. There are no doubt good schools, but few teachers who leave positive statements about them actually leave the name of the school they work for, so it's difficult to estimate just how many good ECC schools actually operate.
I spent many hours corresponding to the ECC/YBM head office concerning the treatment I was receiving - and yes that treatment was very distasteful (I would be happy to share that experience with any new teacher deciding on a school for the first time). The head office appeared very concerned, and at least for that I am thankful, but no action was, or has to my knowledge been taken.
English teachers did remain following my departure, and their determination to stay with their contracts will always impress me, they are the backbone of ESL. For me, I was pushed further and deeper into a no win situation and was forced to leave - to my deep regret, as I met wonderful friends and simply loved South Korea.
A few points:
1. ECC head office must regulate the Directors buying their name OR continue to take the massive onslaught of negative comments, which teachers have the right to express.
2. Teachers working for professional, responsible ECC franchises should leave the name of that school for all to see.
3. Much of the problems seem to start from the foundations of TEFL; Cheap, unprofessional TEFL courses, terrible recruiters and then the schools.
4.If you are in a unpleasent situation, then always remember you are the professional. I always thought that myself, and now I work to the high standard I expected from ESL teaching.
Well, there's my little contribution to Daves, I hope it was a little constructive and not too angry in its tone.

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Allain B. [email protected]
For my own security I prefer not to say where I am at this moment.
Posted: May 16, 2001

Yet another "Korean" experience. In the last three weeks 5 Experienced ESL teachers quit working for ECC (Located in 'Howon Dong' area in the City of 'Uijanboo' near Seoul).
The reason for my leaving:
1- 'Extreme Rudeness' and sometimes violent behavior from the owners Mr. & Mrs. YU, towards employers who demanded basic respect.
Other teachres - Mike, Zac, Jullie, and a Korean teacher named May secretly left the city without getting in serious discustions with the owners. I on the other hand stayed and demanded the owners respect and honesty; as they could not swallow their misplaced pride, before an "unworthy employer" they actually tried to get into physical fight with me. Their attempt was stopped by interference of my Korean friend. I now think the other teachers were wiser than I was. I will be taking propper legal action to put these pepole where they belong.

2- 'Dishonest Contracts' that would force us, the teachers work for our 10 days annual vacations that were supposed to be Paid vacations. These smartly written contracts would also allow the school to spread our class hours and give us classes anytime of the day or night.

3- 'State of Chaos', we were not given the books we needed to teach the students from, our teachers room was in fact a narrow balcony turned into a room for 12 teachers, you can imagine how we had to actually push our way through to be able to rest on a chair during the breaks. I had t borrow books from my students to be able to teach them!!

4- 'Home On The Railroad'; I was given a flat in a house right next to the busy Railroad track/Subway that runs between Seoul and Uijanboo, with trains passing every five minutes. Needless to say,most nights I had a hard time going to sleep. Can you imagine just to save $20 to $30 a month, YUs chose to rent a flat there and not in the next block!

**Be aware: These pepole will do anything to get new teachers. They have already told me that if I put my experience with them on the Net, they will fight back. Also this school owner has 3 ECC schools in Uijanboo City, and as he has been desperate for teachers, he have used his business friends such as 'Korea Herald Kids School' to help him recruit new teachers.

The amazing thing is that these people prefer paying lots of money to hire new teachers, over changing their abusive behavior and dishonest contracts to encourage the teachers to stay and not to quit!

I will gladly support you with more inforamtion if need be.

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Posted: May 16, 2001
Barry VanAlstine
[email protected]
Pukpundang, South Korea

I just read the ECC message. There may be some franchise schools that may have shady directors, but ECC Pukpundang isn't one of them.
I'm not the school director or anyone else of authority here. I'm just a teacher that has worked at the school for almost 3 years.
A few points about our school:
1) It is a branch, NOT a franchise. As such our manager has to answer to his higher ups.
2) Mr. Je is a great manager. He is honest and friendly. He helps out whenever he can.
3) To my knowledge nobody has ever been cheated on their paychecks or wrongfully dismissed (or "rightfully dismissed for that matter)
In conclussion, let me say this. There are teachers that may have had a very bad experience with some of the schools, but ECC Pukpundang isn't one of those schools. I have enjoyed my time here and am currently planning on extending my contract for another year.

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Posted: August 25, 2002
I was at ECC wonju for one year. I know, ECC is supposed to be pretty bad, but the one I was at wasn't that that way. It is a franchise and doesn't follow all the ECC guidelines (for better or worse) including the contract. There is no deposit you have to make or any crap like that other ECC schools pull. When I arrived, I did have a morning Saturday class, but my boss axed it a few months later. All in all, it is not a bad place to start out. You always get paid on time and the apt. is ok, nothing special. Wonju is somewhat of a boring place, but fairly close to Seoul.
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Posted By: Louis Guilbault <"mailto:[email protected]?subject=warning re ecc gwangju">
Date: Tuesday, 24 September 2002, at 5:35 p.m.
Warning re: ECC Gwangju, Korea
Canadian Recruiter: Glenn Alexander, English Teachers Overseas, Vancouver
By Louis Guilbault, Victoria, BC
Glenn tells potential recruits to ECC things that aren��t true, and does NOT mention that most teachers are expected to work split shifts.
Glenn��s lines: ��A five day workweek is under discussion�� - NOT TRUE
��You get approximately a week��s holiday three times a year�� - NOT TRUE. You get four days off. Four days ain��t no week.
��There is an unpaid three-day orientation�� - NOT TRUE. I hung around for more than two weeks doing a Mickey Mouse orientation, when I could��ve been working in Canada.
At ECC Gwangju, you will almost certainly work split shifts, and you work 288 days a year. Canadian public schools go 194. This place makes money big time. Some people like this setup, many burn out, and many quit. Korea��s a totally cool place. Shop around.

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No.108 : ALL ECC"S
Name: Steven Date: 2002-11-07 14:26:27 View: 165
I wanted to start a discussion on how ECC has annoyed people. just post
your comment.

ECC Daerim is not a good place to work. Supervisor name is Kimerbley,
and many foreign teachers have had many problems with her. Alot have left
as a result of her wrong doing. She is hardline and has a hatred or foreign
teacher after seeing so many come and go. She has work for 10 yrs in
English school and doesn't communicate with the foreign teachers. She
only communicate by email or through the korean partner teachers.
The seniour korean teachers in the school informed me of her attitude to
foreign teachers. Having work for this long has made her bitter and she
presumes all foreign teachers are only in korean to drink beer and party
everynight and neglect their teacher duties.
You would expect an understanding supervisor not to hold pre-concieved
notion on foreigners. She is a racist for holding these views.
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No.108 's Reply : Re: ALL ECC"S
Name: Ashlee Date: 2003-02-20 01:09:26 View: 5
ECC DAERIM SUCK BIG TIME - so do the students and the owner - i left
pronto and was happy to give them the airfare, visa money and relocation fee
back as well as pay for anotherflight to japan to get out of the shonky under
PAID contract - good luck to those still working there - now I have a fab job in
Hongik better pay better house (ie no SHARING) better students and life is
grand. Steven where r u? what happened when u left?
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No.108 's Reply : Re: ALL ECC"S
Name: Christine Date: 2002-11-07 14:29:48 View: 69

Stay away from ECC Banpo!
You've been warned.

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No.111 : ECC Seodaemun-gu
Name: Louis Date: 2002-11-26 09:54:12 View: 58
I was fired from ECC after having worked there for five months. I consider it
to be a tremendous favor on their part as I was miserable there and am
much happier at my new school. I feel awful for the folks who are still there
and afraid to test the waters for something better. The school has the usual
flaws, inefficiency, disorganization etc. What it also has is a fascist for a
director. The mind games and abuse that this women inflicts on her
workers is a crime. It is difficult to elucidate here. Psychological warfare is
really the best analogy I can offer. If she doesnt like a teacher, she abuses
them until they break or leave or both. There is no cultural
misunderstanding here, this women is a petty, vindictive and evil person.
Also, the owners of the school are dishonest and cannot be relied upon to
fullfill their contractual obligations. I would suggest that anyone considering
working at this school, consider otherwise.


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No.114 : YBM Sisa ECC franchise in Jeonju
Name: J Date: 2002-12-02 22:36:20 View: 43
YBM Sisa ECC franchise in Jeonju.
By .
YBM Sisa ECC franchise in Jeonju.By .
For firing a teacher who posted something negative about the school on
www.eslcafe.com

She called the boss a liar and he fired her.

We want to know why she called him a liar and why he could not provide
her with a warning bout posting messages about the school instead of firing
her????

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kimcheeking

Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 296
Location: Land of the Morning Calm
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 7:50 am Post subject:

my advice is to avoid SISA, any SISA. I worked at chongno about 4 years ago... I was not impressed and felt like I was a dilbert like drone in a machine that didn't know who I was or cared about anything. Plus I felt that they really treated the Korean staff poorly- this caused tension in the office.
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No.150 : Mr. John, ECC Namyangju
Name: LBWood
Date: 2003-03-26 18:59:39
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I am writing this message to warn all who are considering teaching in
Korea to avoid Jeon Byong-O (AKA "Mr. John") of ECC Namyangju. The
school is actually owned by Kwan Hye Jin, but is is operated by the
aformentioned Mr. John, who may be her husband.

Mr. John is one of the worst bosses you could ever have the misfortune of
having. He is greedy, stingy, and short-tempered, with little ability to think
logically. Because of this, the atmosphere and morale in the school is
extremely poor. His attitude is that since he has paid a recruiter fee the
teacher is thus his property. In my case, because I had teaching
experience he actually tried to sell me to another school for profit.

Even worse, he is an unrepentant criminal. My contract stipulated that from
my salary 3.3% Korean taxes and 4.5% pension was to be deducted, and
that the pension money would be refunded when I left Korea. When my
year drew to an end I found that he had been committing tax and pension
fraud. He had not remitted either amount to the government. I expected to
get a 9% lump-sum pension refund (my 4.5%, plus the employer's 4.5%)
from the pension corporation, but found that he had not even registered with
the pension corporation despite being required to do so by law.

With the help of the International Tax Office of the National Tax Service,
and the Ministry of Labour, I was able to get most of my 4.5% pension
contribution refunded. At the time of the final refund however, he attacked
me physically and I had to flee the building (fortunately with the money
already in hand).

Take my word for it, you do not need this kind of person in your life. There
is also some reason to believe that the tax fraud is being committed on the
advice of ECC's head office, so I would suggest you avoid the entire chain.
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Homer

Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 198
Location: Good ole dirty Busan
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:06 pm
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Worked at an ECC in Busan for 2 years. It was a good place to work.
No cheating on the contract. Lived up to all they said.
was a 6 day schedule but that was standard back then.

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JackSarang

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 128

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:17 pm Post subject:

The majority of the chain schools in Bundang live up to their reputation -- That is, they're crap.

One of the ECC's in Bundang was notorious for not paying teachers, I know at least two girls who did a runner from there.

I'd avoid the chain schools in Bundang. It seems to be that the independents in Bundang are mostly decent schools, while the chains are horrific/sucky.

The exception is the YMCA in Bundang at Migeum station, teachers who work there are very lucky, best contract in Korea.
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 1514
Location: Korean animation studio
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:12 am Post subject:


I used to work at the Cheonan ECC. It was awesome when I first started there, but I had Saturday classes. It's been going downhill really fast as of late, though...
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Homer



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 476
Location: Good ole dirty Busan
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:06 pm Post subject:


Worked at an ECC in Busan for 2 years. It was a good place to work.
No cheating on the contract. Lived up to all they said.
was a 6 day schedule but that was standard back then.
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paul

Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Posts: 52
Location: Edae, Seoul
Posted: Sun May 25, 2003 10:58 pm Post subject:

Regarding the YBM-ECC-ELS posts: Don't mistake ECC for ELS!

ECC are kids' hawgwons and I've never heard anything good about them from anyone I know.

On the other hand....

YBM-Sisa Young O-Sa in Chongno is one of the best school's in Seoul City. I worked there for a year, full-time, and had a lot of support from the British director and the two native English assistants. Not to mention all of the ESL teachers there who take their job seriously, with a grain of salt.

There are more than 30 FULL TIME TEACHERS at the Chongno location, with an additional 20 part time staff and very few, if any, teachers complain about the way things are operated there.

Also, I have received very lucrative, legal, extra work from YBM in Chongno. As long as you are straight with them, they will support and protect you to the end of your contract and beyond if necessary.

Almost every person you will be involved with are native English speakers who honor, respect and enforce traditional western working conditions. Plus, they offer 10 million won key money so you can get yourself a cool place to stay while in Korea.

I have been here in Seoul two years, I know many English teachers who work for a variety of ESL institutes and so far none of them measure up to YBM-Sisa in Chongno.
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FierceInvalid


Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Posts: 349
Location: Seoul
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 6:37 am Post subject:

A couple of things about YBM/SISA I found out while in the throes of an "I gotta teach adults, the kids are driving me nuts" phase:

-They say they offer key money, but in reality almost nobody actually gets it, because they run a thorough credit check of the landlord/building owner and have ridiculous criteria that almost none of them meet.

- When you start, you have to do your time working a hellish split shift. Apprently this gets better after you gain a bit of seniority (I don't how long this takes - input, anyone?)

That said, minus the schedule and crappy money (especially considering you don't get free accommodation), the atmosphere seems fine and most of the teachers seem pretty content, at least on the surface - I don't teach there but I study Korean there, and it always seems like a pretty positive vibe all around.
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beebee

Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Posts: 41

Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 5:12 pm Post subject: YBM ELS - Good place to work from current teacher

I am CURRENTLY HAPPILY working at YBM /ELS Jong-no. I am amazed at the rumours that fly around about YBM from people that have never worked here.

I don't know about lucrative legal additional work - (refer earlier post I have never been offered that ) but I am generally happy at my school and I recommend rather than reading this site come and meet the teachers and managers and talk to them directly. Quite a few of us are in our second year of our contract.

I have also worked in the university system in Korea and have been in Korea close to 4 years now. My reasons for enjoying my job are:

- we have a professional foreign manager who is always supportive of our needs and ideas. He also has been of great support to many teacher's individual circumstances here as living in Korea can be difficult at times;

- although we work shifts in the beginning of our contracts ( this is usual in most situations with adults around the world) he takes the time to accommodate our preferences , hours of working, preferred classes etc - he doesn't have to to do this - but he does - this makes happy teachers;

- for " real teachers" this is the place. Our programs are diverse , cover all levels include Intensive, Academic English, Biz English etc;

- our students are generally MOTIVATED as they are fee paying students compared to university students sleeping, or playing with their cell phones during class, this makes teaching very enjoyable;

- the job is INTERESTING and very rewarding we have freedom to use supplementary materials with the texts and really be creative teachers we have an up to date resource collection;

-at universities you generally just teach freshman ( freshperson ?) English to lower levels - this means this job becomes somewhat monotonous, plus you usually have to do office hours and be available for student consultations;

- weird and wacky teachers don't seem to be employed here - FANTASTIC !!!!!!

- most of the teachers have CELTAS or above - so you don't get blank stares from teachers when you wish to exchange ideas. You actually have a lot in common as the other teachers can also work in their own country this makes a DIFFERENCE to the office environment.

- we enjoy our time in the teacher's room !!!! No politics - no meetings - just time to chat and exchange ideas. We are relaxed and work hard. We actually socialize together ( highly unusual environment.)

- happy teachers = happy students.

- you don't have to share accommodation with the flat mate from hell;

- you get PAID on time every month;

- you can do overtime if you want extra cash;

- you can even take a nap on a bed here between a class (now that must be internationally unique)

The bad points - as no job is perfect:

- The holidays SUCK - must be the worst in the world - but you can negotiate a month off (without pay) you get exhausted and sick if you don't take a break as the contract hours per month are higher than in other countries and the universities here.

- You pay rent from your salary , but the salaries have improved , but no they're not not the best in Korea as you buy the happy working environment above.

- the bathrooms are dirty - there is no staff toilet - There is not even liquid soap! But I guess that's just a Korean thing that i will never adjust to.

- the teacher's room is the hottest room in the building and lacks an oxygen supply- which is OK if you like Korean Summers and don't need much air to breathe.

But I do recommend just making your own decisions by speaking to people who work here now, rather than reading the crap re-generated on this board by people that have never worked here or worked here prior to 2001.

Our school is no longer the "wild west" where you are hired for having a white face and an American accent. There are many exciting opportuinities for serious TESL teachers and at the end of the day we are the largest school so we have a pretty good reputation amongst Korean students.

By the way, our teachers come from diverse cultural backgrounds and different English speaking countries. Our students also really enjoy this cultural diversity and international English environment. They are adults and many have travelled so they realise that blue eyes, white skin and blond hair are recessive genes back home.

Hopefully I get a pay rise, an extra day off, an oxygen mask or some lucrative legal work for writing this post- maybe even liquid soap !!! ( I doubt it). I just want to set the record straight as I am proud to work here and respect the other teachers here and have read too much crap for too many years on this board and it insults the hard work we all do here creating a very unique professional island environment in a sea of unprofessionalism.

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SanatKumara

Joined: 27 Apr 2003
Posts: 9
Location: Seoul Sister
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:10 am
Post subject: ECC Sungdong

If you get a job offer at ECC Sungdong, think again as you can do much better than this place. First of all you work 6 days a week, split shifts with little regard to how many hours you work without a break. The director manages by fear and runs around beating a ruler in his hand and very seldom smiles or speaks to you. There aren't enough teacher's manuals and often times you have to share wth other teachers which means you have to run around the office who has the book you need. They also have a habit of firing people for no other reason than enrollement is down and they want to save money by combining classes and loading up a teacher's schedule to work overtime. None of the teachers are happy and most graon on a daily basis of the harsh working conditions and over populated classrooms which makes teaching a real joke. It didn't take me long after being there to figure out that no one was happy and that most of the teachers did a mininal job of teaching because the bottom line is the owner is only concerned about profit and not the quality of teaching. Also, be warned if you get fired, you will not get paid and I have witnessed teachers getting booted out the door with ECC owing them at least 2 million in Won. If you get a job offer at this school, my advice is run as far away as you can as you will end up spending one year in Korea (that is if you don't get fired) very unhappy.

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No.218 : ECC Gajwa Dong, Incheon
Name: Jon Date: 2003-10-07 07:52:38

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HI ALL,
Just a word of warning about ECC in Gajwa Dong, Seo-Gu, Incheon.This
school is rediculous. You are treated like a utility and left to work.The
Korean staff have 2 meetings every day but apparently the foreign staff
don't need to know whats going on.The supervisor (Jenny) will lie
constantly about everything but still maintain that she is helping you(some
chance).The directors seem to live to change the contracts.Almost on a
weekly basis we were confronted and threatened with regards to changing
our contracts.The owner (Mr.Kim) has absolutely no regard for anyone and
routinely mistreats the Korean staff to the point of sexual harassment, for 6
months the atmosphere in the school was unbearable its surprising that
any of us actually stuck the length of the contract.And even after
completing the contract they will complain about the cost of the flight home
and try only to pay whay they think is a good price for a flight.We
threatened to strike to get one of the teachers his ticket.And when it
comes to getting your final payment, well they will pay you before you
leave, maybe 1 or 2 hours before you leave just to make things more
interesting for you. I would urge anyone considering to work here to
seriously reconsider before you learn the hard way as many of us did.
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No.243 : YBM Gwacon Owner stealing W 6,000,000.. wages and housing money
Name: YBMs
Date: 2003-12-27 04:57:00
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It was a mistake staying with YBM after the first bad experience, as other YBM
black listers mention , YBM owners do not care...They get legal assistance in how
to maximize their advantages over teachers...Beware / beware / beware...Owners
and manager at two locations I have worked are skilled at promising all kinds of
things in interviews and later denying everything later. I made the mistake of
adding key money to improve housing. Within two weeks of signing the new
contract not only did the owner "forget" the schedule he promised me , he forgot that
I signed on with him to complete a Masters thesis curriculum ,. He decided to
release me refusing to pay the months wages or return W5,000.000 housing fund I
contributed. All of this was very skillfully manipulated on his part. The owner is all
charm and smiles as he looks you in the eye and lies to you. Within 30 days has
taken W6,000,000 and refused to release me making it not possible to get another
contract.
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prairieboy


Joined: 15 Sep 2003
Posts: 128
Location: The batcave.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:45 pm
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I don't know about this particular school.

I started with an ECC. I was there for 2 years. My first year was pretty good. My second year was pretty good as well. Only minor problems, but mostly things were able to work out together.

The problem was at the end of my second year when they didn't like the school I had decided to go with and tried to make things difficult. I was paid everything that was owed to me, but my last experiences with them left me with a bad feeling towards this franchise.

In terms of being more trustworthy or less trustworthy, it all depends on the owner. If its a privately owned ECC you may have more troubles than from a head office owned branch.

Ask lots of questions of them and try to get some numbers and email addresses for some current and former teachers. If you get a good feeling then it may be a good school.

Cheers and good luck.

[Stewie]

Thanks! I found the specific post regarding ECC Gwang-ju and my recruiter a couple of days ago... Judging from what little I've heard (and that "little" not being very positive), it seems like I'll be considering looking elsewhere for teaching offers.

So, am I too of base here, or is it that ECC is like a strange game of Russian Roulette - you might get lucky and come up on an empty chamber (or a good job in this case), but all too often you wind up putting a lead slug in your career..?


"Stewie"

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