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Diversity Helps South Korean District Win Locals Back
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm one of the scum who hangs out in Itaewon.

My fellow scum and I are most disturbed about is the decline of foreigners there in the last year or so. Most of us, including the truly oddball Koreans who frequent the area, are concerned with the influx of mainstream Koreans - that's what makes the linked article so funny. It's not the diversity that's attracting more Koreans there, it's the decline of waygookin there that makes it seem more "comfortable".
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furtakk



Joined: 02 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only lived in the area for about a year and even in that short time, I've noticed a ton of development. The street behind the Hamilton was extended and a dozen or so places popped up. That mammoth pub/club/lounge (District?) popped up. On the south side down the alley with Wolfhound a ton of shops, restaurants, and cafes are constantly being built. There's also that really ugly building in front of the Hamilton.

The only real shady area left is the south east side where Hooker hill is and even that is not that bad compared to so called red light districts in other countries.

Anyhow, the nicer areas/places are definitely predominately Korean. Outside of the Irish pubs (3 Alley, Sam Ryans, etc) it feels like you're in Gangnam or Hongdae in terms of foreigner/Korean numbers.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with furtakk and I'm happy to see that I'm not alone in my aesthetic appraisal of that thing that grew out of Hamilton's foot.

What I'm wondering is how will many of the local restaurants fare with an increasing number of Korean patrons? My personal observations are:

- a group of 4-6 foreigners going to e.g. 3AP or JR Pub will order 4-6 dishes (one dish per head, usually) and consume 1-3 liters of beer per head over the course of the meal (say 1-2 hours).

- a group of 4-6 Koreans (mostly girls plus one alibi guy) will order 1-2 dishes to be shared and one import beer per head and then consume this over the course of 3-4 hours, often leaving half of the food untouched and the glass still a third full when they finally release their table.

- Korean guys consume a little differently but often end up throwing up or pestering the other patrons because they can't understand that Jaegermeister is not the same as Soju. I'll never forget the night where a young Korean guy got up on his table at JR Pub, dropped his pants and started peeing into the dishes of his friends and nearby patrons (this is part of what makes Itaewon so great!).

So I'm just asking myself if a growing number of Korean visitors will threaten the business model of the existing pubs and restaurants. The "new" places have already adopted a Koreanized charge model, i.e. larger single dishes at comparatively high prices (think TGIF where a dish can be 20-30,000 Won but easily feeds 3-4 people).

I'm actually mostly annoyed by the Myeongdong-sized crowds during daulight hours that make it very cumbersome for me to descent from my perch (near IPB Hotel) to Itaewon's more interesting nether regions, especially since half of the pavement is now almost 24/7 allocated to the newest Middle East food vendor in town.
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markhan



Joined: 02 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Diversity??

Ahhhhahahaha.

I've been in 30 countries and Koreans are definitely the most racist people I've ever come across, inn terms of attitudes.

It is ridiculous that in the 21st century a whole nation is scared witless of even sitting next to a foreign person. It is pathetic.


You don't come off as an understanding and open-minded person either.

If you bother to learn Korean and interact with them, vast majority of them will tell you that they are uncomfortable sitting next to foreigners not because they are "foreigner" per se but because they are afraid that they might ask something in English and they will be clueless to answer back in front of all those in subway.

Being "uncomfortable" does not mean "racist" as you so hastly, blindly accuse of.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

markhan wrote:

If you bother to learn Korean and interact with them, vast majority of them will tell you that they are uncomfortable sitting next to foreigners not because they are "foreigner" per se but because they are afraid that they might ask something in English and they will be clueless to answer back in front of all those in subway..


You've fallen for that old chestnut?

Koreans have numerous weak excuses up their sleeve to account for their skittish aversion to foreigners.

So when you're in New York do you run away from black people because you're embarrased they might talk to you in Swahili?
I don't think so.
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